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To be honest … I just don’t know. The whole idea of a coaching search again is so incredibly discouraging to me.

At the moment, I’m very troubled with the total lack of interest in the program at the moment. It’s miserable sitting at the Pete with crowds that honestly don’t pass 1,000 people.

I am even wondering how many season tickets we sold.

So my first thought is someone who can bring some interest … someone realistic. (Rick Pitino is a complete pipe dream.)

This brings up Brandin Knight. He would totally check that box.

But I also want someone who can coach a basketball team to play good team basketball. I’ve grown so tired of watching Capel’s offense that often looks like not much more than the pick up teams would run at Greentree in the summer. Screen and drive … screen and drive.

There is absolutely no evidence Brandin can do anything.

Maybe an emphasis should be placed on a recruiter and I really thought Capel would fit that bill. But he hasn’t which makes me wonder if that quick recruiting fix is even in the cards at all. This leads me back to the guy who can get his teams to play good team basketball.

There’s many games to be played this year though, and something in my gut tells me Heather isn’t nearly far down the road of replacing Capel as almost all of the message board faithful.

There is a lot of basketball left this year. A lot...

You can put me in the camp that is not throwing in the towel on Capel yet. Recruiting can be salvaged with wins. The crowd will come back with wins. The team needs to start winning, now. And after a 2-6 start, they easily could have mailed it in and quit. The players didnt quit.
 
There is a lot of basketball left this year. A lot...

You can put me in the camp that is not throwing in the towel on Capel yet. Recruiting can be salvaged with wins. The crowd will come back with wins. The team needs to start winning, now. And after a 2-6 start, they easily could have mailed it in and quit. The players didnt quit.
And this take is certainly respectable. I admire it in fact.
 
There is a lot of basketball left this year. A lot...

You can put me in the camp that is not throwing in the towel on Capel yet. Recruiting can be salvaged with wins. The crowd will come back with wins. The team needs to start winning, now. And after a 2-6 start, they easily could have mailed it in and quit. The players didnt quit.


I’m coming around to this camp.

Would certainly be a great story. These guys are playing for each other and getting better each game.
 
There is a lot of basketball left this year. A lot...

You can put me in the camp that is not throwing in the towel on Capel yet. Recruiting can be salvaged with wins. The crowd will come back with wins. The team needs to start winning, now. And after a 2-6 start, they easily could have mailed it in and quit. The players didnt quit.
I know they played their tails off in those back to back heartbreakers and sure didn't suck. Being in position to lose that way takes 39 minutes plus of respectable play.
 
And this take is certainly respectable. I admire it in fact.

It’s just not realistic. We’re 3-6 with losses to The Citadel, UMBC, and 2 of the worst P5 schools besides us in the country.

And we quite literally aren’t “in” with a single recruit in this class. Not one… Lindsay the PG isn’t coming here, Mintz and Buchanan aren’t coming here…. Who is?

I mean sure if we somehow ended up at 7-11 in the ACC people might come back on board.

But that’s not happening. We’ll probably win 2-3 ACC games if we’re lucky. We’re going to be home dawgs AGAIN on Sunday to MOUNMOUTH.

It’s OVER.


Although I certainly fear what you wrote in your last post too.., that HL might not be “as done” with Capel as we are…. And if that’s the case… this program and Pitt athletics are a complete and utter joke. And not worth anyone’s time or money.

What is there to possibly look forward to about next season with Jeff Capel at the helm? More OOC squeakers against Mid Majors with 796 people in attendance?

It’s straight up delusional that people can still see light at the end of the tunnel and if HL is one of them I hope we fire her ASAP even though I suspect she far too competent to believe that.
 
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I know they played their tails off in those back to back heartbreakers and sure didn't suck. Being in position to lose that way takes 39 minutes plus of respectable play.
And you think Hugley will come back for more of that?
 
I’m coming around to this camp.

Would certainly be a great story. These guys are playing for each other and getting better each game.

Guys. Virginia SUCKS. Minnesota SUCKS. Vanderbilt SUCKS. Colgate is a mid major…. Sure it’s admirable that we’re trying hard or whatever but are we really using these games as proof that things are going to be okay???

if so, that’s the precise reason I hope we lose every single game the rest of the year.
 
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I’m coming around to this camp.

Would certainly be a great story. These guys are playing for each other and getting better each game.


There is nothing in sports that I like to watch more than a massive comeback. And Im not saying its going to happen. But I think it takes a lot of guts for our young guys to still be listening to Capel and trying hard. And I think after starting 2-6, for Capel to come out and say the team is practicing at its best and trying the most after 6 losses in 8 games, especially for a young team like this one, some respect needs to be given to the players, especially the young players. Xavier Johnson would have quit 3 games ago. This team is showing zero signs of quitting on Capel. And who knows what will happen if we start to win a few in a row and they get some confidence... Thats why I am intrigued with this upcoming 3 game stretch. Find a way to win all 3 and get back to 6-6, and this team will have some juice going into acc play.
 
There is nothing in sports that I like to watch more than a massive comeback. And Im not saying its going to happen. But I think it takes a lot of guts for our young guys to still be listening to Capel and trying hard. And I think after starting 2-6, for Capel to come out and say the team is practicing at its best and trying the most after 6 losses in 8 games, especially for a young team like this one, some respect needs to be given to the players, especially the young players. Xavier Johnson would have quit 3 games ago. This team is showing zero signs of quitting on Capel. And who knows what will happen if we start to win a few in a row and they get some confidence... Thats why I am intrigued with this upcoming 3 game stretch. Find a way to win all 3 and get back to 6-6, and this team will have some juice going into acc play.

It’s Year 4. We’re past the point where “trying hard” and “not quitting” is enough.

We need to win basketball games. And in Year 5 next year, Capel needs to be IN the NCAAT.

There isn’t ANYTHING to suggest that’s possible.
 
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It’s just not realistic. We’re 3-6 with losses to The Citadel, UMBC, and 2 of the worst P5 schools besides us in the country.

And we quite literally aren’t “in” with a single recruit in this class. Not one… Lindsay the PG isn’t coming here, Mintz and Buchanan aren’t coming here…. Who is?

I mean sure if we somehow ended up at 7-11 in the ACC people might come back on board.

But that’s not happening. We’ll probably win 2-3 ACC games if we’re lucky. We’re going to be home dawgs AGAIN on Sunday to MOUNMOUTH.

It’s OVER.


Although I certainly fear what you wrote in your last post too.., that HL might not be “as done” with Capel as we are…. And if that’s the case… this program and Pitt athletics are a complete and utter joke. And not worth anyone’s time or money.

What is there to possibly look forward to about next season with Jeff Capel at the helm? More OOC squeakers against Mid Majors with 796 people in attendance?

It’s straight up delusional that people can still see light at the end of the tunnel and if HL is one of them I hope we fire her ASAP even though I suspect she far too competent to believe that.
Oh … don’t get me wrong. I don’t think it’s realistic either.

However, if somehow we can win our next three games, I might allow myself to dream a little. But first things first. We’ve got to win on Sunday and it’s a 50-50 bet at best.
 
There is nothing in sports that I like to watch more than a massive comeback. And Im not saying its going to happen. But I think it takes a lot of guts for our young guys to still be listening to Capel and trying hard. And I think after starting 2-6, for Capel to come out and say the team is practicing at its best and trying the most after 6 losses in 8 games, especially for a young team like this one, some respect needs to be given to the players, especially the young players. Xavier Johnson would have quit 3 games ago. This team is showing zero signs of quitting on Capel. And who knows what will happen if we start to win a few in a row and they get some confidence... Thats why I am intrigued with this upcoming 3 game stretch. Find a way to win all 3 and get back to 6-6, and this team will have some juice going into acc play.
I love the idea here. But we still have such a long way to go before I can come anywhere near embracing it.

But I promise to have a different conversation if we can somehow win our next three.
 
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And you think Hugley will come back for more of that?
I’m not commenting at all on the specifics on Pitt and Hugley but I absolutely hate that reality of college basketball currently.

And I’m not even remarking on whether I think it’s the right thing or not.

But I absolutely hate how players can so easily come and go and this is what college hoops has come to.

Before, you could think about a new coach and what they can do with a cupboard full of players.

For Pitt at the moment, whether we get a new coach or not, we need to expect any decent players could move onto somewhere else.

But it is what it is.
 
I’m not commenting at all on the specifics on Pitt and Hugley but I absolutely hate that reality of college basketball currently.

And I’m not even remarking on whether I think it’s the right thing or not.

But I absolutely hate how players can so easily come and go and this is what college hoops has come to.

Before, you could think about a new coach and what they can do with a cupboard full of players.

For Pitt at the moment, whether we get a new coach or not, we need to expect any decent players could move onto somewhere else.

But it is what it is.

I agree but at the same time it means that the right coach can win much quicker than if CBB didn’t work that way.
 
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I’m not commenting at all on the specifics on Pitt and Hugley but I absolutely hate that reality of college basketball currently.

And I’m not even remarking on whether I think it’s the right thing or not.

But I absolutely hate how players can so easily come and go and this is what college hoops has come to.

Before, you could think about a new coach and what they can do with a cupboard full of players.

For Pitt at the moment, whether we get a new coach or not, we need to expect any decent players could move onto somewhere else.

But it is what it is.

That's a big part of it. What happens with the players if Jeff Capel comes back another year.

Lets talk about 2 of them. Will Jeffress father has actively been engaged on social media regarding Pitt and the "young core". He has sent out multiple tweets to these guys and is also tweeting about Pitt basketball regularly. Chet Mason, Hugley's coach, also is active with regards to Pitt basketball and Capel and Big John.

By most accounts, the young guys seem to be close together and working hard. Femi is a little more quiet, but this team is a lot more together than anything I have seen under Capel thus far at Pitt and it doesnt appear to even be close. And you dont need to be an insider to figure that out, you can just look up what people are saying on social media that are close to our own players. Like their parents or mentors.

I dont see a mass transfer exodus at Pitt like in prior years if Capel comes back. I just dont. I think these young guys especially want to win together and have fully embraced the underdog mentality. I also think Horton and Sibande's future could boost things down the line, but thats a topic for another day.
 
That's a big part of it. What happens with the players if Jeff Capel comes back another year.

Lets talk about 2 of them. Will Jeffress father has actively been engaged on social media regarding Pitt and the "young core". He has sent out multiple tweets to these guys and is also tweeting about Pitt basketball regularly. Chet Mason, Hugley's coach, also is active with regards to Pitt basketball and Capel and Big John.

By most accounts, the young guys seem to be close together and working hard. Femi is a little more quiet, but this team is a lot more together than anything I have seen under Capel thus far at Pitt and it doesnt appear to even be close. And you dont need to be an insider to figure that out, you can just look up what people are saying on social media that are close to our own players. Like their parents or mentors.

I dont see a mass transfer exodus at Pitt like in prior years if Capel comes back. I just dont. I think these young guys especially want to win together and have fully embraced the underdog mentality. I also think Horton and Sibande's future could boost things down the line, but thats a topic for another day.

Answer this question:

Do you see Pitt making the NCAAT next year? Yes or no.
 
Answer this question:

Do you see Pitt making the NCAAT next year? Yes or no.
The talent isn’t quite their yet but the last 3 games remind me of Jamie’s teams. Tough defense , good rebounding, bad shooting teams. If we had a decent PG on this team that could lead instead of a walk on pg this year would be a lot different already.
 
Extend Capel - You all convinced me
 
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I’ve grown so tired of watching Capel’s offense that often looks like not much more than the pick up teams would run at Greentree in the summer. Screen and drive … screen and drive.


If you watch what Duke does, we do a lot of that. The difference is that Duke is doing it with some of the best players in the country and we are doing it with some guys who are, well, not.

In some ways it's like watch our football coach play his defense the first couple years he was here with players who simply did not have the skill set to run that defense, and yet he refused to change.
 
If you watch what Duke does, we do a lot of that. The difference is that Duke is doing it with some of the best players in the country and we are doing it with some guys who are, well, not.

In some ways it's like watch our football coach play his defense the first couple years he was here with players who simply did not have the skill set to run that defense, and yet he refused to change.
Exactly.
 
To be honest … I just don’t know. The whole idea of a coaching search again is so incredibly discouraging to me.

At the moment, I’m very troubled with the total lack of interest in the program at the moment. It’s miserable sitting at the Pete with crowds that honestly don’t pass 1,000 people.

I am even wondering how many season tickets we sold.

So my first thought is someone who can bring some interest … someone realistic. (Rick Pitino is a complete pipe dream.)

This brings up Brandin Knight. He would totally check that box.

But I also want someone who can coach a basketball team to play good team basketball. I’ve grown so tired of watching Capel’s offense that often looks like not much more than the pick up teams would run at Greentree in the summer. Screen and drive … screen and drive.

There is absolutely no evidence Brandin can do anything.

Maybe an emphasis should be placed on a recruiter and I really thought Capel would fit that bill. But he hasn’t which makes me wonder if that quick recruiting fix is even in the cards at all. This leads me back to the guy who can get his teams to play good team basketball.

There’s many games to be played this year though, and something in my gut tells me Heather isn’t nearly far down the road of replacing Capel as almost all of the message board faithful.
To all of us it’s just simply an emotional issue . We want our Panthers to at least be respectable since I’m pretty sure we’ll never see a period of sustained excellence like we did again . Heather unfortunately has a budget to balance and adding an additional huge salary to the budget has to be factored into her decision. I’m sure if JC was a lame duck he’d be gone the day the seasons over .

Ps … adding an up and comer won’t sell many tickets plus even at a salary of 1.5-2 million is still a lot of money when your venue is empty
 
To all of us it’s just simply an emotional issue . We want our Panthers to at least be respectable since I’m pretty sure we’ll never see a period of sustained excellence like we did again . Heather unfortunately has a budget to balance and adding an additional huge salary to the budget has to be factored into her decision. I’m sure if JC was a lame duck he’d be gone the day the seasons over .

Ps … adding an up and comer won’t sell many tickets plus even at a salary of 1.5-2 million is still a lot of money when your venue is empty
Good point about the
budget. One thing though,
Heather has the majority
of the athletic dept. on
an upward tick. The one
program in a tailspin is
the second most important
program. Obviously I'm not
in the meetings that will
decide this, but IMO it's
bigger than just the AD's
decision. The Chancellor
and the Board of Trustees
will I would think be part
of this.
 
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Good point about the
budget. One thing though,
Heather has the majority
of the athletic dept. on
an upward tick. The one
program in a tailspin is
the second most important
program. Obviously I'm not
in the meetings that will
decide this, but IMO it's
bigger than just the AD's
decision. The Chancellor
and the Board of Trustees
will I would think be part
of this.
Absolutely.
 
Instructing Will to miss was the right call. He changed his mind when Will acted like an idiot when he gave him the instructions. Unbelievable that Will didn’t know what to do.
I agree. Capel’ s changing his decision was somewhat troubling, but was not that crucial. Pitt probably wins 99% of the time no matter what decision was made. My problem is Capel’ s excuse that they hadn’t practiced the play and that he has a major college player, not an elementary school player, that doesn’t know why the coach asked him to miss the shot. I believe everyone on this board, whether agreeing with his decision or not, knows why he gave those instructions.That is something you don’t need to practice. Before your first game every player should be given a list of certain in game and end of game scenarios that state your strategy and philosophy. I guess they also hadn’t practiced on when to call timeout when having a 2 point lead at the end of a game when the 5 second in bounds rule is about to expire.
 
I agree. Capel’ s changing his decision was somewhat troubling, but was not that crucial. Pitt probably wins 99% of the time no matter what decision was made. My problem is Capel’ s excuse that they hadn’t practiced the play and that he has a major college player, not an elementary school player, that doesn’t know why the coach asked him to miss the shot. I believe everyone on this board, whether agreeing with his decision or not, knows why he gave those instructions.That is something you don’t need to practice. Before your first game every player should be given a list of certain in game and end of game scenarios that state your strategy and philosophy. I guess they also hadn’t practiced on when to call timeout when having a 2 point lead at the end of a game when the 5 second in bounds rule is about to expire.
Glad to see someone shares my feelings on this topic
 
I agree. Capel’ s changing his decision was somewhat troubling, but was not that crucial. Pitt probably wins 99% of the time no matter what decision was made. My problem is Capel’ s excuse that they hadn’t practiced the play and that he has a major college player, not an elementary school player, that doesn’t know why the coach asked him to miss the shot. I believe everyone on this board, whether agreeing with his decision or not, knows why he gave those instructions.That is something you don’t need to practice. Before your first game every player should be given a list of certain in game and end of game scenarios that state your strategy and philosophy. I guess they also hadn’t practiced on when to call timeout when having a 2 point lead at the end of a game when the 5 second in bounds rule is about to expire.
A couple thoughts .......
- Just wanted to say that like others I'm impressed that the players haven't quit on Coach Capel and are playing really hard and improving ...... hopefully we can win more games than it appears we will.

- As far as the end of game strategy against Colgate, you can argue whether it is better to make the free throw or miss on purpose but make sure you hit the rim and there are some pros and cons of each, however the bottom line as you said, either strategy is fine and we had a very high chance of winning either way ..... BUT, we aren't going to win games by 10 or 20 or 30 points this year, if we win games it is likely they will be nail-biters that go down to the wire and are won by 1-4 points so that end of game strategy is going to be very important as we have seen in the last three games ...... so it seems Coach Capel should make an emphasis of practicing or at least discussing end of game situations with the players (it seems they didn't understand that strategy in 2 of the last 3 games) ! ...... it is concerning to me that Coach Capel said we hadn't practiced (or apparently discussed) the end of game situation that we faced against Colgate yet he felt Colgate likely had practiced a play in that situation that might beat us ...... in other words, he was saying they were likely prepared for that situation and we were not .... not a good look ! ...... also, I would think that during that timeout, Coach Capel would have had time to discuss what we should do if Jeffress made the FT and what we should do if he missed it and if he wanted him to miss it on purpose, explain why to him if Jeffress appeared confused (I think 100% of us in this thread already understood why he might instruct him to miss the FT on purpose, it would take about 5 seconds to explain it to Jeffress) ...... attention to detail is important.
 
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A couple thoughts .......
- Just wanted to say that like others I'm impressed that the players haven't quit on Coach Capel and are playing really hard and improving ...... hopefully we can win more games than it appears we will.

- As far as the end of game strategy against Colgate, you can argue whether it is better to make the free throw or miss on purpose but make sure you hit the rim and there are some pros and cons of each, however the bottom line as you said, either strategy is fine and we had a very high chance of winning either way ..... BUT, we aren't going to win games by 10 or 20 or 30 points this year, if we win games it is likely they will be nail-biters that go down to the wire and are won by 1-4 points so that end of game strategy is going to be very important as we have seen in the last three games ...... so it seems Coach Capel should make an emphasis of practicing or at least discussing end of game situations with the players (it seems they didn't understand that strategy in 2 of the last 3 games) ! ...... it is concerning to me that Coach Capel said we hadn't practiced (or apparently discussed) the end of game situation that we faced against Colgate yet he felt Colgate likely had practiced a play in that situation that might beat us ...... in other words, he was saying they were likely prepared for that situation and we were not .... not a good look ! ...... also, I would think that during that timeout, Coach Capel would have had time to discuss what we should do if Jeffress made the FT and what we should do if he missed it and if he wanted him to miss it on purpose, explain why to him if Jeffress appeared confused (I think 100% of us in this thread already understood why he might instruct him to miss the FT on purpose, it would take about 5 seconds to explain it to Jeffress) ...... attention to detail is important.
Absolutely
 
Ches, I think you are losing your mind a little bit if you remember the discussion on this very board after a game that happened in 1988.
Think Gore invented the internet after that no? Funny how Pitt BB fans who think Pitt basketball began with Howland somehow think Scottie Reynolds‘ heroics was the single most devastating event in history. Sure, final 4 was in sight but Vandy’s Goheen stole a championship, not just a final 4 appearance. Manning’s Kansas team was no match for Pitt. I go back to the Buzz & Timmy show, btw.
 
A couple thoughts .......
- Just wanted to say that like others I'm impressed that the players haven't quit on Coach Capel and are playing really hard and improving ...... hopefully we can win more games than it appears we will.

- As far as the end of game strategy against Colgate, you can argue whether it is better to make the free throw or miss on purpose but make sure you hit the rim and there are some pros and cons of each, however the bottom line as you said, either strategy is fine and we had a very high chance of winning either way ..... BUT, we aren't going to win games by 10 or 20 or 30 points this year, if we win games it is likely they will be nail-biters that go down to the wire and are won by 1-4 points so that end of game strategy is going to be very important as we have seen in the last three games ...... so it seems Coach Capel should make an emphasis of practicing or at least discussing end of game situations with the players (it seems they didn't understand that strategy in 2 of the last 3 games) ! ...... it is concerning to me that Coach Capel said we hadn't practiced (or apparently discussed) the end of game situation that we faced against Colgate yet he felt Colgate likely had practiced a play in that situation that might beat us ...... in other words, he was saying they were likely prepared for that situation and we were not .... not a good look ! ...... also, I would think that during that timeout, Coach Capel would have had time to discuss what we should do if Jeffress made the FT and what we should do if he missed it and if he wanted him to miss it on purpose, explain why to him if Jeffress appeared confused (I think 100% of us in this thread already understood why he might instruct him to miss the FT on purpose, it would take about 5 seconds to explain it to Jeffress) ...... attention to detail is important.
Do you really believe practicing a missed FT is something that needs to be done as a defensive technique ? Offensively absolutely, but not defensively .

Pitt was going to win the game either way so if your player is drawing a blank in that situation why complicate matters .

Pitt won ,be happy , people need to stop making making mountains out of mole holes .

How many times do you see a professional player make stupid mistakes and think every coach they ever had hadn’t drilled into them what to do .( Claypoole ! ) I doubt Will will ever need this situation explained to him in the future hopefully Claypoole now realizes how stupid he was .
 
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Do you really believe practicing a missed FT is something that needs to be done as a defensive technique ? Offensively absolutely, but not defensively .

Pitt was going to win the game either way so if your player is drawing a blank in that situation why complicate matters .

Pitt won ,be happy , people need to stop making making mountains out of mole holes .

How many times do you see a professional player make stupid mistakes and think every coach they ever had hadn’t drilled into them what to do .( Claypoole ! ) I doubt Will will ever need this situation explained to him in the future hopefully Claypoole now realizes how stupid he was .
Practicing it physically? No. But being prepared for the possibility? Yes, absolutely. If not during the season, maybe at least mention it as a possibility in a close game so the player at the line isn’t a deer in the headlights. The best coaches go over all details. Probably to the point of kids’ eye rolling. But that’s why they’re the best.
 
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Practicing it physically? No. But being prepared for the possibility? Yes, absolutely. If not during the season, maybe at least mention it as a possibility in a close game so the player at the line isn’t a deer in the headlights. The best coaches go over all details. Probably to the point of kids’ eye rolling. But that’s why they’re the best.
So how do you know it wasn’t talked about and in the moment Wil spaced out ?
 
So how do you know it wasn’t talked about and in the moment Wil spaced out ?
Did I say I know anything? I responded to your question.

I don’t think anyone said they know it wasn’t covered. Wouldn’t exactly be a wild guess but sure it’s possible it was and Will froze. Wouldn’t be where my money is but nobody but they know.

I said it should be. No more no less.
 
Did I say I know anything? I responded to your question.

I don’t think anyone said they know it wasn’t covered. Wouldn’t exactly be a wild guess but sure it’s possible it was and Will froze. Wouldn’t be where my money is but nobody but they know.

I said it should be. No more no less.
Not trying to give you a hard time , but no one knows and just assuming that every mistake is on the HC isn’t really fair . Players also have responsibilities.
 
Do you really believe practicing a missed FT is something that needs to be done as a defensive technique ? Offensively absolutely, but not defensively .

Pitt was going to win the game either way so if your player is drawing a blank in that situation why complicate matters .

Pitt won ,be happy , people need to stop making making mountains out of mole holes .

How many times do you see a professional player make stupid mistakes and think every coach they ever had hadn’t drilled into them what to do .( Claypoole ! ) I doubt Will will ever need this situation explained to him in the future hopefully Claypoole now realizes how stupid he was .
First, I am happy we won and hope we win tomorrow and every game after that !

Second, I agree that some situations need to be physically practiced and some can just be discussed.

Third, I suspect as I stated that almost any game we win this year is likely to come down to an end of the game situation so those need to be emphasized by the coaches to players.

Fourth, as I already stated, I don't think it made a significant difference whether he made or missed the FT but if Capel believed the best play was to miss it on purpose and Will looked confused about it, a five second explanation would probably have sufficed ..... if Capel thought he would confuse Will more by a brief explanation attempt and just told him to make it, I think that was fine ...... the point is that there seems to have been confusion in end of the game situations two games in a row so I think it needs to be a point of emphasis for the coaches especially since IMO most of our wins are likely to be close and come down to the last few possessions.
 
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