Beds in the panhandle don’t help when someone needs acute care in Tampa. I trust my friends and family with eyes on floors and the overflow floors being converted. Yes the reality is in the middle. Florida lacks transparency. They fired their data scientist for not manipulating data. They have refused to release hospital specific data related to covid. We have also had a 4000 pneumonia death increase year-over year per cdc data.
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Beds in the panhandle don’t help when someone needs acute care in Tampa. I trust my friends and family with eyes on floors and the overflow floors being converted. Yes the reality is in the middle. Florida lacks transparency. They fired their data scientist for not manipulating data. They have refused to release hospital specific data related to covid. We have also had a 4000 pneumonia death increase year-over year per cdc data.
Personally, as a parent, I’d like to know exactly what the plan will be at our school. Do other schools know how they’re operating? We really don’t have anything yet. School Board took July off and haven’t voted on their plan.
I think the biggest hurdle for public schools is that they’re already underfunded. Now they’re looking at extra costs to clean and maintain the schools and I don’t see where extra money is being set aside to help.
I get the role schools play in a kid’s life. Most of the socioeconomic reasons cited in the article for getting kids back to school aren’t new. They’re just not being adequately addressed. Covid just raises the stakes.
I think the biggest hurdle for public schools is that they’re already underfunded. Now they’re looking at extra costs to clean and maintain the schools and I don’t see where extra money is being set aside to help.
I get the role schools play in a kid’s life. Most of the socioeconomic reasons cited in the article for getting kids back to school aren’t new. They’re just not being adequately addressed. Covid just raises the stakes.
Do you think all tweets on the internet are true? Because what you're quoting as fact absolutely isn't true. It's being spread by people who have no idea how the CDC records data and then how they finalize that data later on.
COVID deaths are mainly pneumonia and they are recorded as both in preliminary numbers, which won't be reconciled until next year. So while it seems like apples to apples, it's not. So much misinformation and skewing of data for political reasons.
Schools have to be open. Elementary through HS anyway. I actually think all colleges should be online only until there's a vaccine because those college kids living in close quarters are going to infect the hell out of each other and spread it to old people. Plus, those kids can simply take a semester or 2 off if they dont like online college. You can't homeschool elementary and middle school kids. Especially not if the parents are working. Opening those schools is more important than ANYTHING besides hospitals and essential workers being able to operate.
I believe schools should be open 5 days per week for all elementary schools and probably middle schools. High schools, I'd prefer 5 days but can live with 2 or 3.
As I said, homeschooling is simply not an option. Its not a real education. I would prefer they just literally shut all schools down for the entire year and then start the 21-22 year in the grade you were supposed to be for 20-21 than homeschooling most of the time. Early education is too important.
Why would "old" people not be in quarantine? I love Bill Murray but I'm not about to be caught golfing in the middle of a thunderstorm. I know there is an increased chance I'll get struck by lightning.
My mom is almost 70 years old. She's been through the ringer with health issues. She's not out and about like she was pre-covid. She social distances, wears a mask, she utilizes as much online shopping for necessities. She does curbside pickup when she can't get those items online. She's not perfect but she's being responsible for her outcome. This is the model no one in the national media is talking about. Why aren't we hearing about how the at-risk should legitimately live until there is a true therapeutic?
You know why? Trump - plain and simple. He's a toad of a person - I'll give you that. But, this shit is ridiculous. The media knows this. They know they have to win the election. In the process their willing to hold parents and kids hostage because of hatred of 1 man.
They should be in quarantine but they should be compensated to do so. Telling old people: stay in your homes so the kids at the local university can party it up every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday is not acceptable. I believe there should be a very thorough marketing campaign aimed at getting old people to stay in their homes but that would include paying them to do so.
I don't think they half-assed it. You think that those who don't do as you think are stupid. They tried to do what they thought was best.
To your other point. There are not 0 new cases a day in Europe. Why lie? The answer is because credibility has no value to you or your comrades. You will believe as you do in the face of truth and demonize and insult anyone who dares to disagree.
There were nearly 100,000 new confirmed cases in Europe in the last 14 days if you exclude Russia. Try to put in some effort rather than speaking complete nonsense:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases
I only believe the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and anti-science tweets from our president daily.
That mostly measures how much (or I should say, how little) testing they have done.
France has had 29,000 deaths, which is definitely high (only a bit lower than the US per capita) -- though they're down to around 20 deaths per day nationally now.
Part of my point is that they have gotten it very low while we are setting off new outbreaks in every tourist state, which then spreads it around the country.
Our deaths per day are down (for now), around 550-600. But that's still about 5-6 times worse per capita than France and will encourage us to keep shutting down and reopening while most of the rest of the world will be able to more fully open.
And that's the bad example! Germany is around 8 deaths per day, Canada around a dozen, a lot of smaller Asian and European countries at 0-1 deaths per day -- still much better per capita even with smaller populations.
Btw on the original topic, I'm not super worried about PA schools. I think we'll see in PA a mix of online and in person learning (A days and B days type of thing to make smaller class sizes to spread people out.) And schools will close and go online if there are outbreaks. Older school staff should be paid to stay away, masks will be required. If it gets bad enough, our governor will shut it down.
But I am very worried about the country. We still will have mass outbreaks in meat packing plants, jails, nursing homes etc because regulation and safety in general in this country is poor. Tourist states will continue to help us drag this crisis out until there is a vaccine while the rest of the world moves on relatively healthy. And in states like Florida where the cases are high and the state will require 5 day a week in person school, that will kill people.
The REAL TDS here.
Because he and his acolytes make everything about him, in THEIR eyes everything is about him. So, him making this into a complete $hitshow is everyone being mean to poor Trumpy Bear.
Our district is going to give parents the option to either utilize its own cyber program or have their children attend school with the requisite accommodations for Covid 19, while ramping up its capacity to do full online learning if circumstances require the school to be shutdown for any significant period of time.
There are going to be a good number of teachers who legitimately (and honestly some not legitimately) who are going to try to beg out of in person instruction.
Who says the kids are completely safe?Ive always believed this kids=safe was a myth...it makes no sense given everything most people know from their own experience... kids pick up viruses and pass em on to parents constantly... at best it appears kids could be a vector.
https://www.childrensmovementflorid...ive-for-coronavirus-in-florida-12-have-mis-c/
I just told the school I work with I’m not comfortable with face to face for summer band camp for drumline. They gave me no problems yesterday. Today they ended up shutting down all face to face that were planned for this week and well move to internet based material next week. I live in GA and the county levels where I teach are considered “ substantial spread “ the highest on a 3 tier level starting with low then moderate
Kemp completely ****ed this up... no other way to view it and screwed everyone in the process. People back in the Burg... be thankful for your Governor.
In Florida, yes they'll have to beg. In districts with strong unions like here in PA, they are already negotiating over the back to work rules to protect vulnerable staff, come up with alternative schedules, etc.
If you read it on the internet it must be true. I don't read, obsess over, nor do I care what Trump tweets. Same goes for any politician.
You will start to see an uptick in these European countries as they've begun to fully open. The virus isn't gone.
Spread is based on how diligent the people are, not the government.
Disinfectant Donnie plays the victim enough on his own. The last thing anyone needs others making him a victim too.
At least in democratic countries (I am excluding China for example), I think you generally see more diligent populations elect more diligent governments. At least on average. And then the government is more likely to encourage people to do the right thing.
The other reason I slightly disagree with you is economic desperation. I will continue to pick on Florida and say that if you have a state with a broken unemployment system and a lot of desperate low wage service workers who can't work from home, they will risk spread because they need money.
I’m not sure how many people that have commented are teachers, but there have been some decent ideas. I teach at a public high school and there’s no easy answers. The mask order will fail due to angry parents saying their child has anxiety, asthma etc (no documentation is needed or can be asked for) and if a student sees a handful of students not wearing a mask then the fairness issue will arise and it’ll become a huge discipline issue. Hell, even faculty will say they have an underlying issue. Also, put 400 students in a building with recycled air for 7 hours a day and outbreaks will happen. It’s unfortunate, and benefits nobody, but until there’s a vaccine education will be an online endeavor (which I despise). Stay healthy everyone.
I mentioned this in the other school thread.
The recommended guidelines include having all desks 6 feet apart from each other. I don't know any school which could accommodate that recommendation without reducing enrollment by 2/3rds.
This, I believe, is on the mark. I have a friend who is a DA, and he says that a lot of child abuse at home is identified by the schools. Those calls have dried up obviously.
That’s exactly what I thought when it was announced. What about between classes? Lunch? Physical education? I read that all students temperature taken upon entry to building. So they’ll be in a line waiting for temperature reading? I understand people are trying, but it just isn’t feasible.
Over here in AL - one of the things I like about the State's response is that they are letting it up to the counties and municipalities to decide. It would make no sense to mandate something statewide when there are counties in AL where your closest neighbor is a mile away or more, and they have seen less than 100 cases total. I personally like the fact that our school district is not lumped in with the more populated areas, and is able to build its own plan. The county where I work (Madison) just mandated masks today - school district plan pending this week.
Not much of it is negotiable per se, but because of the culture created by having a significant union presence the tendency is that Supers will include teachers in the discussions.
But, people are oblivious to overall employment law. You can't just up and change people's employment based on THEIR health.
Yeah, this is yet another factor that people are not grasping.
I am doing a project with a group that did some of the polling and messaging to help Kemp on this - you make strange bedfellows at times with work.
No. These doctors are smart enough to know better. By saying "kids don't die of COVID, so reopen schools!" they're giving away the game. Their argument is like saying teams with more kneeldowns win more games, so kneeldowns are the best play in the book. Their argument is a small truth in service of a big lie.
Our district is asking that parents do temps before they sent their kids to school.
i can see the numbers by county. I’m at work but maybe I will post the real numbers later. I get my numbers from homeland security
In theory that’s a good idea. In reality 1/3 of the kids, at the least, get themselves up and don’t even see a parent in the morning.
I have already sent 8 people for testing this am. 2 previously were tested. I never sent this many a day for testing over the last week since this started. A bigger denominator means more positive tests. UPMC sent out info to expand testing significantly last week. I can only speak what I see and not what I hear from my brothers, sisters, cousin who is a nurse screwing an ID resident at a hospital
You are lazy.
Here you go: https://covidusa.net/?state=Florida
Number of deaths per 100,00 peopleNew Jersey172New York166Connecticut122Massachusetts119Rhode Island91District of Columbia79Louisiana71Michigan63Illinois57Maryland54Delaware53Pennsylvania53Indiana40Mississippi39Colorado29New Hampshire28Minnesota27Georgia27Arizona26New Mexico25Ohio25Iowa23Virginia22Alabama21Washington18Florida18Nevada18California17Missouri17South Carolina16Nebraska15North Carolina14Wisconsin14Kentucky13South Dakota11North Dakota11Tennessee10Arkansas10Kansas10Oklahoma10Texas10Vermont9Maine8Utah6West Virginia5Puerto Rico5Idaho5Oregon5Wyoming4Montana2Alaska2Hawaii1
That may be almost exactly what happens -- 33% of students come in on "A" days, 33% on "B" days, 33% online only by parent choice.
I don’t know FL specifically but overall it’s ticking up.
I read something yesterday that said the death lag might even be longer than it was originally. With more testing and earlier diagnosing deaths may take longer to occur. On the flip side treatment is better (ventilators being a last resort and laying people on their stomachs to name 2). So what that suggests is that we may need to wait another 3-4 weeks to have a real idea of death rates.
It is actually ticking down. I posted the statistics link above.
How many deaths can be attributed to premature ventilators and wrong treatment?
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