Scott Shaffer done at the cuse
- Thread starter ratking17
- Start date
He'd be a great DC candidate here (given his friendship w/ Narduzzi) if we didn't already have a great young one in Conklin.
They were fairly competitive in many of their losses but generally looked like a P5 conference team. Well coached but short on recruited talent, IMHO.
I think that is a bad move. Syracuse is getting Pitt syndrome, turning coaches over and starting all over every 3 or 4 years. Hopefully that syndrome has left here and settled in Syracuse.
Scott Shafer is a good coach but needed better players. There is no HS talent in upstate NY and very little in New England. Syracuse is one of the toughest places to recruit to.
Syracuse seemed much improved under Shafer but it didnt show in the record because their players just weren't good enough.
If I was Syracuse, knowing the recruiting difficulties, I'd give the Navy coach serious consideration. He doesnt need great recruits and the thought would be he could get a little bettet caliber of athlete to play in the ACC. I would absolutely hate another triple option attack but I think schools that always have difficulty recruiting should consider the triple option.
Syracuse seemed much improved under Shafer but it didnt show in the record because their players just weren't good enough.
If I was Syracuse, knowing the recruiting difficulties, I'd give the Navy coach serious consideration. He doesnt need great recruits and the thought would be he could get a little bettet caliber of athlete to play in the ACC. I would absolutely hate another triple option attack but I think schools that always have difficulty recruiting should consider the triple option.
This is getting really nutty. There aren't going to be enough coaches to fill all the vacancies - I mean "real" coaches...
Seeing all the movement, UPSers can't be happy being stuck with the Franklinator.
People should be calling Walt - and many will do a lot worse.
That's actually a good point about the Navy coach - I hope he goes to the Big 12 - like Iowa State - it would really be interesting to see the Big 12 defenses trying to stop such a different animal as that offense.
Go Pitt.
I don't know about recruiting, but I assume the lack of big time college football above the Mason-Dixon line hurts recruiting. Syracuse hasn't been really good for 15+ years and beyond that there is...? College football just isn't a big thing up there. The SUNY system (as opposed to having a few big state schools) really killed athletics up there. They are trying to turn Buffalo into a bigger athletics program but they obviously have a ton of work to do there.
I think this is the dumbest firing of a coach I've ever heard of. Syracuse has legitimately gotten better recently and actually is not a joke anymore. We saw their freshman QB play, imagine him later in his career. I think Shafer deserved at least another year or two. It's not like Syracuse can attract anybody with any kind of resume to coach their football team, Shafer was a pretty good fit.
I don't think Shafer is a great coach, but the biggest reason this is a mistake is because they are like the 12th best job available. And that is before LSU and UGA make decisions and coaches start leaving current jobs for those already available.
Totally agree. Not a great coach, but was doing an OK job. The biggest problem is though that Syracuse will never get a head coach that anybody really thinks highly of. Really they can only try and make a smart hire and hope he pans out into a good head coach one day while still at Syracuse.
He is still good and likely was recruited to eventually start a year or two down the road. All the more reason not to fire your head coach. Throwing a freshman out there to start and now make him learn a new offense going into next season. That's an incredibly overlooked thing. Tyler Palko was so good in the West Coast offense he was getting a little bit of national recognition and possible Heisman buzz going into the 2005 season. Wanny's offense just wasn't a very good fit for him and we missed a bowl Tyler's junior and senior seasons. I just think that Shafer has been doing a fairly good job at Syracuse and they were only going to get better next season.
I think his approach was really ill fitting for Syracuse. I think you either need a lights out recruiter (who you will eventually have to replace when a bigger school hires him) or get a rare scheme guy, like Sean Miller Fan suggests. You can never win big at Syracuse, but averaging 8 wins a year can be done.
Valid point. I don't think there is any school out there though that you can't win at. Look at Baylor, at the crack of century they were the worst program in the history of college athletics. A victory for them was not losing by 70. Now they average 10-11 wins a season. It's all about the head coach. That I think is their problem, they will never attract a big name coach. I like what SMF suggested as well, their best approach may be to get a triple option coach or something.
I definitely do. Baylor can still recruit Texas and Baylor has money and pretty, rich girls. Syracuse has none of those things and terrible weather. I would never consider Syracuse as a recruit, just because of the weather and women, and I am from Pittsburgh. It really is that bad.
I think we can both agree that Syracuse, NY is one of the least desirable places on Earth.
Another reason this is an odd/bad decision is because Syracuse is going to be completely renovating the Carrier Dome starting as early as next summer.
That is going to cause them to have to basically barnstorm for a year or two. They are talking about playing their home games at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey or at Ralph Wilson Stadium in Buffalo, or most likely some combination of the two.
Who in their right mind is going to sign up for that? You're basically playing all road games for the next two or three years.
Sure, when the renovation is completed, you are going to be inheriting a beautiful new facility. However, you have to get there first.
Personally, I probably would have bitten the bullet for a year or two and dealt with the losing. Then, I would replace Shafer and start anew with a brand-new facility and a new, young coach to lead the program going forward.
That is going to cause them to have to basically barnstorm for a year or two. They are talking about playing their home games at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey or at Ralph Wilson Stadium in Buffalo, or most likely some combination of the two.
Who in their right mind is going to sign up for that? You're basically playing all road games for the next two or three years.
Sure, when the renovation is completed, you are going to be inheriting a beautiful new facility. However, you have to get there first.
Personally, I probably would have bitten the bullet for a year or two and dealt with the losing. Then, I would replace Shafer and start anew with a brand-new facility and a new, young coach to lead the program going forward.
I don't think they will ever be good consistently again and I definitely agree with you. But, I guess the silver lining is that perhaps a fired coach who deserves another job will give them a look? That is a stretch and obviously Miles and Richt will get higher profile jobs if they want, but it is something to consider.
Mason-Dixon line extended? The Mason-Dixon line was drawn to settle a border dispute between PA, MD and DE before the USA was a country. The line ends at the south-western border of PA.
Time eating offense as well. No basketball on turf in his game.
The Carrier Dome is pretty tough to imagine as "beautiful". Can't polish a turd.
Hey! Doesn't stuff like that prompt a conference to tell a team to take a hike? (Those of you who catch my drift will recall that THAT move was initiated by then-Syracuse AD Jake Crouthamel . . . not long before he attempted to bolt to the ACC . . . to be a least initially jilted at the altar.)
Yeah, but they at least appear to have a plan. This does not look like an indefinite situation like it was in another instance.
That wasn't indefinite. A certain stadium opened around 2003 (same timeframe as Heinz, as I recall).
If I was a recruit, I would never consider playing on artificial turf. Football is meant for grass.
And just think, it that plan causes their attendance to get cut in half they'll only have twice as many people at their games then teams that get told to take a hike do. They better be careful.
Really? I didn't notice that they were cramming 180,000 or so per game (your math) into the Carrier Dome, but hey, their "plan" has already garnered them a third as many wins as such a team. Their message to take a hike may not be long in coming.
So you are contending that back in the time frame when Temple was told to take a hike that they were drawing 45,000 per game? And that Temple's record back then was significantly better than Syracuse's record is now?
Man, I know you love Temple but even for you that's delusional.
No you aren't. You compared the Big East telling Temple to take a hike with the ACC potentially telling Syracuse to take a hike. One of those things happened 11 years ago. The other might happen in the future. The fact that you think 11 years ago and potentially next year are both NOW and NOW is delusional.
And not only that, but what really got Temple in trouble (as you well know and have admitted in the past) is that Temple was told that it needed to make improvements or face the consequences and not only never made any improvements but they had no real plan to do so anytime in the near future. Syracuse actually has a plan. They intend to make improvements. The plan may or may not work, and it may or may not be a good plan, but any plan at all would be superiority to Temple's decision to say screw it, they'll never follow through with any threats against us, after all, we're Temple.
It would have made you happy if Temple had dropped off the face of the earth, but sorry, THAT AIN'T HAPPENING!
