Secret Scrimmage
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Your point is well taken but at this point where the program is now, I’ll certainly be pleased enough to think we have 2 pretty good freshmen guards.
I'm a half-full sort of guy and I am happy that we have two guards who can score 45 points.
It's a starting point.
I’m guessing that the reports that have “slipped out” are numbers kept on the bench by the Pitt staff. I suspect numbers kept by the Dayton staff will slip out soon enough.
Looking forward to watching UD this Friday to officially open my BB season. Hope to see improved play over last year. Go Flyers but Hail to Pitt too.
No, only 8 played. In no particular order:
- McGowens
- X Johnson
- Ellison
- Davis
- Brown
- Chukwuku
- Ilegomah
- JWF
But based on all I've heard, my sense is that if N'dir and Toney had been healthy, it would have been the 8 who played + N'dir and Toney getting time. Stevenson is on outside looking in.
I hope Toney gets healthy. In my opinion, he has been a bit overlooked by fans when talking about our freshmen guards. I am looking for him to have a good freshman season and great career at Pitt.
I have no idea who played or didn't play, and why or why not. However, if
Stevenson "is on the outside looking in," I'm concerned. He may be
undersized on the inside, but he's still one of our few big men. He also
has a year of experience, and last year other than being a bull in the
china shop on occasion, he is capable of being a viable presence
inside IMO.
If true, it's gotta be an effort/attitude thing. We can definitely use his skill set, even as an undersized player he can create matchup advantages with his athleticism, but not if he isn't willing to work for it. No inside info, just an impression that I've formed from watching him.
I'm not getting into all the whys and wherefores here on the free board. I've covered all this on the pay site and have written about Stevenson's challenges since Capel arrived. If you want a sense of why this may be true for him, I'd direct you to this year's media guide, which Pitt released today.
This is one of the bullet points about Stevenson in the guide: "Continued improvement with intensity and attention in practice will lead to increased minutes."
The media guide is an interesting read, period, revealing a lot about how guys will likely be used this year. If you can't access the pay site for some of the inside info that's been shared there, the media guide will give you some insight.
P.S. You can download the guide here: https://pittsburghpanthers.com/documents/2018/10/30/2018_19_Pitt_MBB_Media_Guide.pdf
Good info, thanks. I guess that quote says a lot. If it's true, I can see that he'll
have reduced minutes. However, in a scrimmage? My guess is maybe an
injury also. Scrimmages usually gives everyone an opportunity to at least
get some floor time even if it's limited.
Like I said, he was sick on Friday, the day before the scrimmage. So, it's possible the reason he didn't play was on account of that. But I've been told all along that Stevenson getting playing time was going to be dicey. Sources told me that at best, he was 9th on the depth chart but that he appeared to be more like 10th or 11th. ... Talent isn't the issue here.
I get the sprained wrist but I wonder how many basketball players in the past ten years have been out of games due to concussions.
Concussions are the new flavor of the day but I doubt many college basketball players miss time due to a concussion.
I got a concussion back in college having sex.
But that's because her husband came home earlier than expected from a business trip and we worked on our head-butts for a while.
The "oh hi honey how was your trip you're home early" didn't work!
I didn't take any time off.
So I do understand stuff happens?
"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!
Yes. Me too. I prefer 2 guys getting 45 vs 5 guys getting 9 each. Still, only 60 points remains an anemic total when your backcourt scores 45.
In reality, if 2 guys get 45 I would expect the other 3 positions plus the bench to get at least another 25-30 points not merely 15.
In reality, if 2 guys get 45 I would expect the other 3 positions plus the bench to get at least another 25-30 points not merely 15.
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Well, 60's not bad when you have 24 TOs. It's an October scrimmage with an all-freshmen backcourt
I'm guessing the transfer, Sidy N'Dir, will start as one of the guards. That
would give us experience out front with one of the freshman guards. Having
Frame and Ellison would make for an older and experienced lineup to go along
with Browne at Center. Both Frame and Ellison are capable of playing on the
wing.
I like this line up because it would keep us from starting two freshmen at
the guard spots. I get it, XJ, and McGowens were the leading
scorers in the scrimmage, but asking them to start game in and game out
as frosh, is asking a lot. Just my opinion at this point, and I haven't seen
any of these freshmen or Sidy for that matter.
would give us experience out front with one of the freshman guards. Having
Frame and Ellison would make for an older and experienced lineup to go along
with Browne at Center. Both Frame and Ellison are capable of playing on the
wing.
I like this line up because it would keep us from starting two freshmen at
the guard spots. I get it, XJ, and McGowens were the leading
scorers in the scrimmage, but asking them to start game in and game out
as frosh, is asking a lot. Just my opinion at this point, and I haven't seen
any of these freshmen or Sidy for that matter.
Didn't know of the 24 turnovers. In basketball math 24 turnovers counts as a loss of 12 points for your offense and a gain of 12 points for your opponents offense (assuming a 50% FG% for 2-point shots & a 33% FG% for 3 pointers). So maybe we would have scored about 72 points (vs 60) without the 24 turnovers. That would be a better total team offensive production.
Seems like there's way too much analysis on a scrimmage that no one saw .
Hey that's pretty good. I never heard of the turnover analysis that you provided
but it makes sense.
JC is being smart and doing things the right way. He is not going to take any shortcuts to get an extra win or 2 that won’t benefit the program in the long run. No doubt Stevenson can help as we don’t have much size. But he has to do what JC expects from everyone in the program to get PT.
Rebounds can be regarded in the same way. You can count them as worth about 2 points (i.e., one lost possession for you and one added possession for your oppoent. So, if a team typically scores on half its 2-point opportunity possessions (or 1/3 of its 3-point opportunity possessions) each rebound is worth about 2 points (+1 for you; -1 for your opponent).
In the bigger picture it is the turnover or rebound margin between the teams that ultimately will affect the game's outcome. Naturally, a game's result also depends on actual shooting percentages achieved by the respective teams. Sub-par shooting obviously reduces the benefits of any turnover or rebound margin. Likewise, a team that has a hot shooting game (better than normal) will either increase the benefit of an "in its favor" turnover and/or rebound margin or reduce the benefit of such a margin that is in its opponent's favor.
Clearly it is no surprise that coaches put such a heavy emphasis on minimizing turnovers and keeping your opponent of the offensive boards by boxing-out properly to improve team rebounding.
The overall explanation makes sense. The assignment of points,
+ and - ..... I have to give that a little more thought. My statistics background
was never a strong point...LOL.
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Yes--the 2-point number is arbitrary--just a rule of thumb for the average or typical performance of a decent hoops team. An actual number will vary from team to team--some shoot well others less well, or even poorly, based on roster talent and the ability to execute based on how well it is coached. The concept is more important than the actual number.
That math literally makes no sense.
If you are eliminating all the turnovers you are talking about a team scoring 12 points in 24 possessions. That would be historically awful. Most teams score a little over one point per possession. In the way you are looking at it 24 possessions ought to get you, depending on how good your offense is, something like 26 points.
On the other hand, unless you think that the other team wasn't going to get the ball after your possession ended the other team isn't getting 24 extra possessions. They might get a few more, because possessions with turnovers are somewhat shorter on average than possessions without them. But they aren't getting 24 extra possessions because they were going to get the ball back with or without a turnover.
