I agree
As frustrated as I am with our February swoon-
Taking a longer view - we are a competitive team again .
Just not good enough to win these Coin toss games
So Capel has 6 years left on his contract
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As frustrated as I am with our February swoon-
Taking a longer view - we are a competitive team again .
Just not good enough to win these Coin toss games
This is an absolutely stupid take.
Kinda like Stallings squandering NBA talent only to lose in the first four!
I have no interest getting into this debate but have to say, I almost spit out my coffee laughing when your counter reply to SMF is that his claim is incomplete because he’s ‘assuming’ the 3 are gone. How can you make that reply when you’ve been endlessly debating with posters that Champ is gone as if it’s the most certain fact in all of college BB. I’m not disagreeing with you on that ‘speculation’, it’s just funny you used it as an uncertainty to counter SMF.
Only thing you can question in SMF’s claim is Toney.
Nah man. Don’t you see it? They have to find a niche. Get good players. But not too good. Can’t risk having anyone good enough who might bolt for the NBA.
You can stomp your feet like a kid at Toys R Us but I’m glad he has stability.
SMF knows toys
In the modern era of Pitt athletics Pitt has hired how many great ( hot ) coaches away from other schools .
Answer is two : Johnny Majors and Paul Evans
Pitts history is hiring assistants not frontline guys .
Well Capel has been a head coach at two programs - so it’s not like a Narduzzi situation
I’m a pretty positive guy. Sometimes too much.
If a player is hard to coach or isn’t fitting in, it happens. These are teenagers becoming men and sometimes that process takes time, or needs to take place somewhere else. I get it.
But when it keeps happening, you wonder if something else is wrong. I don’t get it. Capel seems like good basketball man and a good man in general. I’d want to play for him (based on what I see)
We have what are still considered very good (now upgraded) facilities, and the fan/student support is rabid for a winning (or at least rising team).
So what the hell is it? We should be talking about a team coming together (back to the Tourney) and great class coming in. That was my year 3 expectation.
If a player is hard to coach or isn’t fitting in, it happens. These are teenagers becoming men and sometimes that process takes time, or needs to take place somewhere else. I get it.
But when it keeps happening, you wonder if something else is wrong. I don’t get it. Capel seems like good basketball man and a good man in general. I’d want to play for him (based on what I see)
We have what are still considered very good (now upgraded) facilities, and the fan/student support is rabid for a winning (or at least rising team).
So what the hell is it? We should be talking about a team coming together (back to the Tourney) and great class coming in. That was my year 3 expectation.
Was Nate Oats in play the last head coaching search? He’s done a pretty good job at Alabama.
He's done a great job at Alabama. I think Pitt had some contact with Oats and a few others at that time. I don't know how much interest was there on either side.
The image is that Pitt is cheap. Perhaps they don't bring in the revenue as some other top schools, but they really aren't cheap. Pitt way overpaid for Stallings & Capel. Oats recent raise and extension at Alabama puts him in the ballpark of what Capel makes. (I still think Capel makes more) I think Capel started at $3.2 mil at Pitt, Oats made $2.5 at Bama. I think he is up to $3.2 now.
They seem to be getting some bang for their buck now.
Im thinking they may have peaked a little early his year. Still sticking to my Mussleman over Oats debate with SMF.
They've won more than zero, so they are at least getting something for their money. It might not be a lot, but something is better than nothing.
I also wouldn’t have minded Mussleman, though I likely would’ve had concerns at the time over his predominately-west coast background. I forget if his name was considered at all.
Mussleman has also done an excellent job. The Hogs are a fun team to watch.
Stallings was purging the roster of players he did not recruit and got caught with a trash roster in year 2. Capel is doing it with guys he recruited and played for 2 to 3 years. And there is still little reason to think things are going to be much better going forward.
Good he deserves a long term contract . The HCJC haters may be motivated by some systemic issue .
Pitt was cheap 10+ years ago but they spend appropriately now that they're in the ACC (Jamie was usually very well-compensated, though). Both Narduzzi and Capel are paid in the top 1/3 of the conference.
I know Capel isn't going anywhere. And this is a Covid year with no fans. But next year, and the next, it's difficult to see Pitt fans sitting through the late season collapses, filling up the Pete and restraining from booing. Something will have to give.
Then just tell us what coach is coming in here and turning this program around in three yrs within the guidelines that are in place currently by Pitts administration . ( no booster group no bagman )
How about the coach we already have just wins more games?
Yeah - I mean this isn’t the tomlin haters issue
Sure there are some who dislike Capel because he’s willing to speak on basic human decency -
But if we were winning they’d go away
It's not that Capel has failed to turn things around in 3 years. It's that there seems to be little reason for optimism going in to year 4. That's a big problem.
Tbh, Capel recruited well enough to have this team poised to make a big leap in the ACC standings. This is a totally different league than it was in Capel's first year. In 2019, the ACC had THREE #1 seeds in the NCAA tourney. This year, I highly doubt any ACC team will get a seed higher than 4. However, instead of progress and something positive to sell, it's another February swoon, going 1-8 in the last 9 games, with the same chemistry and discipline issues that Capel coached teams have become known for - topped off by the Exit-man and Toney departures & a looming decision from Champ.
I'm all for giving a coach a blank slate for 3 years and seeing what kind of momentum the program has in the 4th. Even though year 3 of JC was squandered, I felt like there was still a glimmer of hope going forward. I'm highly skeptical after the events of last week. Last week sure felt like watching Sonny Bono start out down the slope.
I am thinking its 50/50 right now. We seem to see glimpses of good schemes and improvement of execution, but so inconsistent. For all the complaining done about his recruiting here, actually there is a parade of good players, Champ, X, Toney, Femi, etc. But, this entire X , Trey, Toney, behavior, interaction, handling makes me think there is a flaw in HCJC 's culture/coaching dynamics. But he will be given the opportunity to right the ship. Proving you are good at something is what athletics/competition are all about. Hopefully the building has begun. I just hope the next player that proves he is non coachable will be out the door faster than you can say "Chuck Noll"
1. Top 6 finish in ACC 6/10 years
2. NCAA Tourney 8/10 years
3. Seed below 9 6/10 years
4. Sweet 16 3/10 years
5. Final Four 2/10 years
6. NC Game 1/10 years
Any one of the above will put the Stallings Valley behind the program, imo.
Without the reemergence of a booster group a successful bb program at Pitt would be a consistent > .500 conference record with being a bubble tournament team just about every yr . A bad yr would be a game or two under .500 . Every so often a run to the sweet sixteen seems reasonable .
The JD yrs ( 1st 10 ) of regular season success was an aberration in the history of the program and can’t really be expected .
Justin is not ready for the nba. Ur nuts if u think he is. He needs to work on his three point shot and his jumper a ton. Also needs work on his ball handling he should not go. He needs another year at least to work on these issues. His d is not the best either. He takes plays off. He is good around the rim but keep in mind he will be considered small if he plays as a forward. The avg height for a 3 in 6-8 in nba and if he wants to play the three u better be able to knock down jumpers at a high rate.
So far Capel is failing , next year he is on the clock, we shall stay tuned in.....
The question is not whether his game is ready or not. The question is where he's going to be drafted and whether or not he's ready to make a shit-ton of money.
He's going to be working on his game next year regardless if it's at Pitt, a NBA roster, or developmental league.
