So if Pitt doesn't play OKST this year

[Pitt79]

If weah doesn't slow down on the 5 yard line, we go to a bowl too. Lots of ways to become bowl eligible besides playing a weak schedule.

But what's the benefit of a strong schedule? Pitt would get into the CFP if they where 13-0 coming out of the ACC, And probably not at 12-1 because of name recognition. So just pile up wins, 7-5 with 2 quality losses, isn't as good as going 9-3 with wins vs. YSU and Duquesne.

 

[steel_curtain]

F that! give me 9-3 beating I-AA teams and get me a New Year's weekend bowl against somebody beatable. That's more fun than losing to "quality" opponents, to me a quality game is any one we won.

-If anyone on this board is truly saying they would rather finish 5-7, not playing in a bowl, and having the stadium crowd dead, as opposed to be 9-3 or 10-2 with a much lighter schedule, ranked in the Top 15, with a full stadium, with talking heads talking about whether we are for real or fake and what bowl we might play win, with a full crowd, because we beat up 3 or even 4 cupcakes in the non-conference, is brain dead delusional.

 

[steel_curtain]

But what's the benefit of a strong schedule? Pitt would get into the CFP if they where 13-0 coming out of the ACC, And probably not at 12-1 because of name recognition. So just pile up wins, 7-5 with 2 quality losses, isn't as good as going 9-3 with wins vs. YSU and Duquesne.

-The answer is nothing. And only Barnes and 1% of the fanbase cant see the light on this. Beat up shit and get ranked for it and run the score up and get ranked, watch the fans fill the stadium in droves.

 

[steel_curtain]

-And if anyone wants to use Jamie Dixon as the comparison. Take a stroll over to ESPN or CBSSportsline. For a school like TCU who refuses to play any Power 5 teams, all I keep reading about is little TCU's 17 game win streak in basketball and the masterful job Dixon has done. I dont hate Dixon or TCU, but Im tired of reading about it and their little 17 game win streak against midmajor U, they are getting hyped to death all over the internet. All the credit in the world for Dixon to know how to game the RPI and the schedule. Take a page from the Dixon scheduling playbook, if you dont want to use Baylor, or TCU, or Wisconsin, or Boise State football, or anyone else that railroads teams in football running up the score against shit to get ranked highly and get National Pub for it.

 

[Swervin27]

But what's the benefit of a strong schedule? Pitt would get into the CFP if they where 13-0 coming out of the ACC, And probably not at 12-1 because of name recognition. So just pile up wins, 7-5 with 2 quality losses, isn't as good as going 9-3 with wins vs. YSU and Duquesne.

How about pure entertainment. 9 people, some parents and a girlfriend or two want to see a pitt vs ysu game. Do it 12 times a year and not even mom and dad will buy season tix.

 

[Swervin27]

-If anyone on this board is truly saying they would rather finish 5-7, not playing in a bowl, and having the stadium crowd dead, as opposed to be 9-3 or 10-2 with a much lighter schedule, ranked in the Top 15, with a full stadium, with talking heads talking about whether we are for real or fake and what bowl we might play win, with a full crowd, because we beat up 3 or even 4 cupcakes in the non-conference, is brain dead delusional.

Lol, so beating up cupcakes gets us ranked? We still play ACC teams. Best case we are 8-4, with only respectable win being Miami. That's not getting us in top 15. That's getting us a bowl game in Detroit or Annapolis but that's not getting us in top 15.

Don't we have enough of our football games on espn9.com? You want more?

 

[steel_curtain]

How about pure entertainment. 9 people, some parents and a girlfriend or two want to see a pitt vs ysu game. Do it 12 times a year and not even mom and dad will buy season tix.

-You would be clearly dead wrong. Since in 2009, our best team since the 80's, won 10 games that year. We played Youngstown State in the opener. And was just shy of 50K fans in the stadium. We played Navy the 3rd game of the season, and put 55K in the stadium. At the end of the year the football team was ranked 14th in the country. We played little Cincinnati. And Pitt put 65K in the stadium. Take a good HARD look at that stadium, filled up at Pitt. This post should permanently be stickied at the top of the board and sent to our AD.

 

[Sarge25]

F that! give me 9-3 beating I-AA teams and get me a New Year's weekend bowl against somebody beatable. That's more fun than losing to "quality" opponents, to me a quality game is any one we won.

Do you want entertained or not?
I’m saying set you up against a good team where you’ll be entertained for 3 hours and you are asking for more games vs ysu where nobody wants to watch and when they do go, they show up late and leave early.

 

[steel_curtain]

Lol, so beating up cupcakes gets us ranked? We still play ACC teams. Best case we are 8-4, with only respectable win being Miami. That's not getting us in top 15. That's getting us a bowl game in Detroit or Annapolis but that's not getting us in top 15.

Don't we have enough of our football games on espn9.com? You want more?

-When you beat up cupcakes, the game is over in the 1st or 2nd quarter.

1) You rest starters

2) You dont pile up injuries on a team that cannot afford injuries

3) You have a better win loss record

4) You can spend less time worrying about how the hell to beat Penn State, Notre Dame, and Central Florida all in the season season, and you can spend more time scouting teams in the ACC and how to beat those teams.

5) You put more butts in the seats with wins which draw attention.

 

[steel_curtain]

Do you want entertained or not?
I’m saying set you up against a good team where you’ll be entertained for 3 hours and you are asking for more games vs ysu where nobody wants to watch and when they do go, they show up late and leave early.

-Nobody wants to watch? Why the hell did 50K fans show up in 2009 then against Youngstown and 55K against Piss Navy? Oh, because the fans were thinking conference championship and piling up wins.

 

[Swervin27]

-You would be clearly dead wrong. Since in 2009, our best team since the 80's, won 10 games that year. We played Youngstown State in the opener. And was just shy of 50K fans in the stadium. We played Navy the 3rd game of the season, and put 55K in the stadium. At the end of the year the football team was ranked 14th in the country. We played little Cincinnati. And Pitt put 65K in the stadium. Take a good HARD look at that stadium, filled up at Pitt. This post should permanently be stickied at the top of the board and sent to our AD.

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What a dumb f'in post. Cincy was a conference game first of all, for the title and bcs bid #2 and they were ranked at the time. You are using a conference game, one that dictated who went to bcs bowl as an arguing point for a weaker out of conference schedule?

No one is arguing that a better team will bring in more fans. That 09 team wasn't better because of a weak OOC.

You just wasted 5 minutes of my life. I may or may not accept your apology.

 

[Sarge25]

-Nobody wants to watch? Why the hell did 50K fans show up in 2009 then against Youngstown and 55K against Piss Navy? Oh, because the fans were thinking conference championship and piling up wins.

keep referencing pitt stats for attendance. We all know they’re accurate.

When you’re done...start timing next year’s team for 40 times please.

 

[Swervin27]

-Nobody wants to watch? Why the hell did 50K fans show up in 2009 then against Youngstown and 55K against Piss Navy? Oh, because the fans were thinking conference championship and piling up wins.

You need to go watch D1-aa football, we will watch P5 football. Where teams play other P5 teams, it's called major college football. It's really fun to watch. It's on tv, no laptops, no streaming games on your computer on espn8.com.

 

[steel_curtain]

What a dumb f'in post. Cincy was a conference game first of all, for the title and CBS bid #2 and they were ranked at the time. You are using a conference game, one that dictated who went to bcs bowl as an arguing point for a weaker out of conference schedule?

No one is arguing that a better team will bring in more fans. That 09 team wasn't better because of a weak OOC.

You just wasted 5 minutes of my life. I may or may not accept your apology.

-Pitt played in by far the weakest Power Conference in the Country in the Big East. Our non conference that year?

Youngstown State
Buffalo
Navy
NC State
Notre Dame

-The weakest attendance we had the entire season was a home game against Uconn, which still put 46K in the stadium.

 

[steel_curtain]

-Watch the video. Filled up stadium, and all the fans fired up to win 9 or 10 games. You guys are insane.

Pitt football 2009 vs Youngstown

 

[Swervin27]

-Pitt played in by far the weakest Power Conference in the Country in the Big East. Our non conference that year?

Youngstown State
Buffalo
Navy
NC State
Notre Dame

-The weakest attendance we had the entire season was a home game against Uconn, which still put 46K in the stadium.

That's a solid OOC schedule IMO. Navy is respectable program, nc state was solid that year too. ND is ND.

 

[Swervin27]

-Watch the video. Filled up stadium, and all the fans fired up to win 9 or 10 games. You guys are insane.

Pitt football 2009 vs Youngstown

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I'm so confused at your point here. 09 had a decent OOC schedule. What does having a nice crowd in season opener have to do with it? I'm excited to win 10 games every sept 1st when we have our annual scrimmage against ysu.

We didn't make a bowl because weah quit running at the 5 yard line in Blacksburg. We didn't make a bowl because we couldn't beat the worst unc team since the Vietnam war. We didn't go bowling because we lost to Syracuse.

 

[steel_curtain]

That's a solid OOC schedule IMO. Navy is respectable program, nc state was solid that year too. ND is ND.

-How is it solid? We played in the weakest conference in the country, a conference that had 2 ranked teams, us and Cincinnati. We got rotation games going on with Clemson, Florida State, Notre Dame, teams that have all recently played or won a National Title. Penn State, Ok State, Iowa, Texas A&M, all teams in BCS bowls recently.

-Seriously, it might be time for Pitt to step down and go back to the Big East.

-NC State was solid? They had 1 winning season the previous 6 years total. Playing them at that time was the equivalent to playing Indiana or Kansas.

-Pitt now plays in the toughest conference in the country

 

[Sarge25]

I'm so confused at your point here. 09 had a decent OOC schedule. What does having a nice crowd in season opener have to do with it? I'm excited to win 10 games every sept 1st when we have our annual scrimmage against ysu

He doesn’t have a point, he never does. He thinks Pitt will put 55k in the stadium if Pitt plays YSU, Furman, Albany and Delaware.

 

[steel_curtain]

He doesn’t have a point, he never does. He thinks Pitt will put 55k in the stadium if Pitt plays YSU, Furman, Albany and Delaware.

-2009 attendance with videos posted to support my claim playing 2 ranked teams the entire year.

 

[Swervin27]

-How is it solid? We played in the weakest conference in the country, a conference that had 2 ranked teams, us and Cincinnati. We got rotation games going on with Clemson, Florida State, Notre Dame, teams that have all recently played or won a National Title. Penn State, Ok State, Iowa, Texas A&M, all teams in BCS bowls recently.

-Seriously, it might be time for Pitt to step down and go back to the Big East.

-NC State was solid? They had 1 winning season the previous 6 years total. Playing them at that time was the equivalent to playing Indiana or Kansas.

-Pitt now plays in the toughest conference in the country

ACC coastal is a joke. It's Miami and garbage. Hokies lost, UVA got embarrassed by your beloved navy squad. The other division is solid, the coastal is the old big east with a worse Miami.

If you think a division with Duke, UVA is tough, you really do need to quit watching P5 football.

 

[Sarge25]

-2009 attendance with videos posted to support my claim playing 2 ranked teams the entire year.

Do you even go to games?
I don’t go to all the games, but I go to the good ones. Guess which ones I don’t go to?

Guess how fans outside of the 30-35k diehard fans think? And 10k of that diehard bunch leave early during your shit games.

 

[Swervin27]

He doesn’t have a point, he never does. He thinks Pitt will put 55k in the stadium if Pitt plays YSU, Furman, Albany and Delaware.

He wants that and for pitt to get out of the rugged coastal and move to the AAC or the PSAC West. We'd destroy shippensburg, edinboro and clarion and sell out Heinz racking up all these wins.

 

[Sarge25]

The 2009 team had Lewis, Graham, Baldwin, Hynoski, Dickerson, Byham, Nix, Jacobson, Thomas, Malecki, Pinkston, Romeus, Caragein, Williams, Mustakas, Sheard, Berry and DeCicco. That team was loaded with talent and people knew it was going to be good, that’s why people bought tickets and went. Same thing Firzgerald’s heisman year, there was something special to see and fans wanted to be part of it.

Trotting out a shitty team and playing them against shit opponents isn’t going to put fans in the stands because you put up fake W’s. Fans want to be entertained and feel part of an event. Playing shit teams is a waste of their time and dollar. This is Pittsburgh where you are competing for people’s hard earned money.

 

[steel_curtain]

ACC coastal is a joke. It's Miami and garbage. Hokies lost, UVA got embarrassed by your beloved navy squad. The other division is solid, the coastal is the old big east with a worse Miami.

If you think a division with Duke, UVA is tough, you really do need to quit watching P5 football.

-That's where the problem is. You THINK it is a joke. Yet their are no true garbage teams, and even the bottom teams can beat the top teams. Hence Syracuse over Clemson, Pitt over Clemson, Georgia Tech over Florida State, etc... The bottom teams have proven they can beat the top teams.

-You ever see Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Maryland, etcc.. ever beating anyone? Ever?

-As for the ACC, the ACC has played for 3 of the last 4 National Championships and won 2 of them. The ACC boat raced everyone in bowl season last year.

 

[steel_curtain]

The 2009 team had Lewis, Graham, Baldwin, Hynoski, Dickerson, Byham, Nix, Jacobson, Thomas, Malecki, Pinkston, Romeus, Caragein, Williams, Mustakas, Sheard, Berry and DeCicco. That team was loaded with talent and people knew it was going to be good, that’s why people bought tickets and went. Same thing Firzgerald’s heisman year, there was something special to see and fans wanted to be part of it.

Trotting out a shitty team and playing them against shit opponents isn’t going to put fans in the stands because you put up fake W’s. Fans want to be entertained and feel part of an event. Playing shit teams is a waste of their time and dollar. This is Pittsburgh where you are competing for people’s hard earned money.

-Tell that to Baylor and Wisconsin. Oh well. Ill let you guys stick to your 5 win seasons.

 

[Sarge25]

-Tell that to Baylor and Wisconsin. Oh well. Ill let you guys stick to your 5 win seasons.

Or we can win 9 games, win the ACC and play in the conference championship and go to a good bowl game.

Win the ACC games and play solid non-conference games to prepare you for ACC olay should be the goal. You don’t need to schedule OSU, ND, USC and Bama as your 4 non-conference games. There are a ton of other P5 programs that Pitt matches up well with that would be good games to go to and watch.

Pitt also can help these games out by recruiting better and coaching their talented players better.

Why do you want your team to be scared of real teams?

 

[Swervin27]

I can't get my head around pitt fans not loving big games against other P5 teams, that's weird how any fan can see this as anything but great. I live for this crap. I know pitt is playing an ND or WVU or psu or msu, iowa, I am pumped up all week for that.

We are playing a scrimmage against ysu, I get more joy out of the funnel cake at the rib cook off outside. If you win well no kidding, of you lose you are a punchline. That fiu or fau game away a few years back, there was 17 people in the stands. It was away but even hillgrove was making jokes about it. Those games suck.

 

[Sarge25]

I can't get my head around pitt fans not loving big games against other P5 teams, that's weird how any fan can see this as anything but great. I live for this crap. I know pitt is playing an ND or WVU or psu or msu, iowa, I am pumped up all week for that.

We are playing a scrimmage against ysu, I get more joy out of the funnel cake at the rib cook off outside. If you win well no kidding, of you lose you are a punchline. That fiu or fau game away a few years back, there was 17 people in the stands. It was away but even hillgrove was making jokes about it. Those games suck.

Steeler fans are much more fired up for the Browns game than they were for the Patriots game.

 

[steel_curtain]

The 2009 team had Lewis, Graham, Baldwin, Hynoski, Dickerson, Byham, Nix, Jacobson, Thomas, Malecki, Pinkston, Romeus, Caragein, Williams, Mustakas, Sheard, Berry and DeCicco. That team was loaded with talent and people knew it was going to be good, that’s why people bought tickets and went. Same thing Firzgerald’s heisman year, there was something special to see and fans wanted to be part of it.

Trotting out a shitty team and playing them against shit opponents isn’t going to put fans in the stands because you put up fake W’s. Fans want to be entertained and feel part of an event. Playing shit teams is a waste of their time and dollar. This is Pittsburgh where you are competing for people’s hard earned money.

-Right. Dion Lewis. A 5'8 190lb 4.6 speed unranked freshmen. A player the entire fanbase thought preseason, a freshmen with zero hype, zero offers, was going to come in and put up 1900 yards of offense as a true freshmen. A freshmen, 5'8 tall, unranked, that had to replace LeSean McCoy. You are funny. Have any stock predictions for tomorrow? How about the next 5'8 superstar freshmen with no offers that puts up 1900 yards as a freshmen. The whole Pitt fanbase just knew Lewis was a bonafied college star to replace McCoy. Right pal, lay off the eggnog this evening.

 

[steel_curtain]

I can't get my head around pitt fans not loving big games against other P5 teams, that's weird how any fan can see this as anything but great. I live for this crap. I know pitt is playing an ND or WVU or psu or msu, iowa, I am pumped up all week for that.

We are playing a scrimmage against ysu, I get more joy out of the funnel cake at the rib cook off outside. If you win well no kidding, of you lose you are a punchline. That fiu or fau game away a few years back, there was 17 people in the stands. It was away but even hillgrove was making jokes about it. Those games suck.

-Answer this question honestly. When Oklahoma State was beating Pitt 49-7 in the 2nd quarter THIS season, how much joy did you have? Did you watch the rest of the game or what exactly did you do? I turned the game off as this is what came to my mind. Call me a bad fan, I dont really care. Im not watching my team get raped on its home field while I get zero joy out of it while we are still rebuilding or trying to rebuild the program. All hype was crushed after he got annihilated by Penn State and Oklahoma State.

-Ill stand by what I said. Build some wins and some hype first to draw in better players. If you and Egg Nog guy like seeing things like this, let us be called non-conference Elite scheduling U.

 

[BFo8]

-Answer this question honestly. When Oklahoma State was beating Pitt 49-7 in the 2nd quarter THIS season, how much joy did you have? Did you watch the rest of the game or what exactly did you do? I turned the game off as this is what came to my mind. Call me a bad fan, I dont really care. Im not watching my team get raped on its home field while I get zero joy out of it while we are still rebuilding or trying to rebuild the program. All hype was crushed after he got annihilated by Penn State and Oklahoma State.

-Ill stand by what I said. Build some wins and some hype first to draw in better players. If you and Egg Nog guy like seeing things like this, let us be called non-conference Elite scheduling U.

I tried to time it and watch Pitt on offense and have it turned off when they were on defense.

Weak shit I know, but in that particular game I just couldn’t watch that defense anymore.

 

[jtownknowitall]

Somehow playing OK State caused Pitt to lose seven games in 2017.

Looks like Pitt has some branch campus dummies of itt’s own.

 

[pbrad]

Just my opinion but I think 9-10 wins with a weak schedule looks a lot better than 5 wins with a tough schedule. PITT made headlines by showing sleeping fans in a blowout loss. Wisky made headlines by having a good record against weak opponents. Perception is 10 wins better than 5 no matter what.

 

[TJOlsen]

Yes the coaches always have a board of players in case anything ever happens. A bowl game every year shows consistency to recruits.

Do you mean winning a big game and then shitting the bed next game? That type of consistency? Asking for a friend

How many times do unranked teams beat top 10 or even top 25 ranked teams. No team is perfectly consistent. Teams consistently get upset by lesser opponents in college.

Consistency of winning at least 6 or more games a year is important for all programs. If you can put up winning seasons every year it shows consistency in that your team is always at least an above average squad.

 

[upj87]

F that! give me 9-3 beating I-AA teams and get me a New Year's weekend bowl against somebody beatable. That's more fun than losing to "quality" opponents, to me a quality game is any one we won.

New Year's weekend? what the hell is that?

 

[jtownknowitall]

Was anyone at Oklahoma State fretting over playing Pitt? A loss to Pitt could have dropped them from the Camping World Bowl to the Heart of Dallas Bowl. Why would a P5 team like Oklahoma State schedule another P5 school, especially one from the #1 conference in the land? I mean how does playing Pitt help Oklahoma State?

 

[anon_vmuicqnzlyp3u]

How many times do unranked teams beat top 10 or even top 25 ranked teams. No team is perfectly consistent. Teams consistently get upset by lesser opponents in college.

Consistency of winning at least 6 or more games a year is important for all programs. If you can put up winning seasons every year it shows consistency in that your team is always at least an above average squad.

did you get participating trophies while growing up?

 

[SempleFest06]

Just my opinion but I think 9-10 wins with a weak schedule looks a lot better than 5 wins with a tough schedule. PITT made headlines by showing sleeping fans in a blowout loss. Wisky made headlines by having a good record against weak opponents. Perception is 10 wins better than 5 no matter what.

Do you think by replacing OK State with Akron that we will pick up an additional 5 wins?

 

[Somerset Panther]

I honestly have no idea what this post means.

I would rather play 3 cupcakes and get ready for our ACC season. We might not make it to the championship final 4, like Wisconsin was in trouble of this year, but who cares? It works for many other teams. Having 9 wins each year is fine with me.

I'm not looking for three cup cakes, but if Pederson or Barnes or Jeff Long's (How far in advance are these made) idea was to improve attendance by bringing in top notch opponents it does not work unless it's ND, PSU and sometimes WV. Otherwise we get the same 35-45 K and usually get beat in the process setting up the casual fan writing Pitt off for the remainder of the season. An OOC schedule that does not have back to back top ten teams providing a reasonable opportunity to sweep seems to me a better way to get the program to a better bowl over all, and may help recruiting in the process by having more wins. Of course it's incumbent on Pitt winning the games they're supposed to win (something that's never been easy) to keep momentum going. I don't think Oklahoma St. served any helpful purpose this season other than to get me to leave a Pitt game at half time for the first time ever. I understand scheduling is hard. I'd appreciate an OOC schedule of PSU every year, or a rotation of some sort of PSU, ND and WV with a MAC school and a second tier P5 school. Again I know you still have to get them to come.