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So no one's going to discuss the elephant in the room ...?

hoopsguy72,
First, let me state that I am a long time season ticket holder.
Second, I, in no way, was attacking you. I get your original point, however what might occur due to the FBI investigation takes second fiddle to the immediate challenges that PITT's program is faced with.

SOME OF THOSE DETAILS:
1. I wanted Stallings to succeed. When he was originally hired, and with PITT returning so many players from an NCAA qualifying team, I could accept bringing in an experienced P5 coach to manage a veteran team in hopes of keeping it going.
2. When last season unraveled and the team's discipline deteriorated which resulted in a rare losing season, I gave Stallings the benefit of doubt and blamed the players (even though red flags went up as i wondered how could a veteran coach lose a team like he did?).
3. I had no false expectations for this season. When you turnover almost the entire roster and have to rely on so many freshmen (who were not highly ranked or recruited) to compete in the top conference in college hoops, ACC victories would be scarce.
4. Early in the season, I was encouraged. The team was running the offense sets, a complete reversal from the previous year. This is what I wanted to see and thought that this gave them a chance to improve as the season went on, the thought being that the sum of the parts would be more successful than they could be by playing an individual, one-on-one style game.
5. Unfortunately, that wasn't sustained. Instead of scoring off pick and rolls, backdoor cuts and offensive rebound putbacks, PITT took the path of least resistance by passing the ball around the perimeter and tossing up low percentage 3-point shots. At the same time, there was no development of a coordinated defense, that included defending the paint, hedging and helping to stop penetration, and one shot and done rebounding by everyone boxing out and then clearing the glass. Again, all I wanted to see was improvement in team play that comes from proper teaching and coaching. That hasn't occurred and that points to a coaching staff failure.
6. Moving on from X's and O's, the program is in a death spiral as fans and students have stopped buying tickets and attending the games. This must be addressed immediately for if not, any chance of attracting prized recruits are practically nil. The Pete is like a morgue.
7. Even though the administration and the fans would prefer stability with a coaching staff, there must be a pivot to a new direction for the current staff gives the fan base little hope or excitement. Maintaining the status quo will not return the program to the top tier of the ACC and beyond.

No doubt, the administration will have to be keen in their due diligence when searching for a new head coach to avoid potential disasters caused by the FBI's expected upheaval of the college basketball landscape. But, in my opinion, it is a risk that must be taken now in order to regain their fanbase before many have written off the program for good.

Due diligence with the new hire would entail both a thorough background research on the candidate plus including a contract provision that lets the University off the hook for all future salary and buyout money if the hire is implicated in the scandal and fired as a result. That should solve the dilemma postulated.

Someone who is clean will sign up for that--someone who is not either won't accept the terms of the offer or will take his chance on being canned without cost to the University later. IMHO, that should solve any problem and eliminate the need to wait.

As to Stallings getting close to or at 0.500 next season. Well I could see the potential (not guaranteed by any means) for 10-11 OOC wins and 2-4 ACC wins. That would probably get him to a final record between 12-20 and 15-17 next year. Should the upper end of that range be achieved KS could be kept longer. IMHO, that would be unfortunate because I believe his absolute ceiling isn't much higher than that--maybe (12 OOC + 7 ACC = 19-13) or lower by a win or two if the ACC goes to 20 games and the OOC shrinks by 2 games.
 
This scandal is all the more reason Pitt needs to act now. There may be a bunch of big schools looking for coaches next year. We need to get ours now. From what I read, this is basically a big school scandal, so it's really not going to be touching many mid major programs. If you hire a mid major coach, just avoid the ones who were assistants at big programs within the last 8-10 years.
 
This scandal is all the more reason Pitt needs to act now. There may be a bunch of big schools looking for coaches next year. We need to get ours now. From what I read, this is basically a big school scandal, so it's really not going to be touching many mid major programs. If you hire a mid major coach, just avoid the ones who were assistants at big programs within the last 8-10 years.

Hoping this is true and how it plays out.
 
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The die is cast. Lyke has crossed the Rubicon. She will not allow Stallings to be the albatross around her neck. We are making a clean break. It is the least best kept secret in Oakland. Now she needs to do the grunt work. Make a hire that will stop the bleeding. If PSU could take a $90 million dollar hit over Sandusky Pitt can buy out a failed coach.
 
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To be fair, I dont know why anyone posts pictures before games actually start. A good percentage of the crowd for most any sporting event doesn't get there until 15 or so minutes after it starts.

As for the Stallings decision, I don't think you can even consider this FBI stuff. You cant make predictions or handicap who will be implicated. Even mid-major coaches were once top assistants and could be involved. You hire the best coach you can realistically get.
 
IMO, it would be an unbelievablly reckless move at this point for Lyke to fire Stallings and hire anyone else. With the report out today from Thamel at YahooSports, it's clear that heads are going to roll in college hoops and the landscape could be permanently altered.

There's one thing Lyke confidently knows about Stallings: He's clean. There's nothing unseemly behind the curtain. But if reports, which estimate that 36 to 50 P5 schools are tainted by this scandal, Pitt could come out the other side looking really good.

At this point, I think Lyke has to give Stallings '18-'19 and let this play out. She'll save $ on the buyout, Stallings will bring more stability to program next year (highly likely the team gets close to or slightly above .500) and gets a CBI or NIT bid, and if Pitt's recruiting for '19-'20 doesn't see a significant uptick as a result of the scandal, she'll know who's radioactive and who she can pluck from the mid-major ranks. At that point, Pitt would be an attractive option, potentially to some very good coaches, because there would be no sanctions or pending sanctions.

On the other hand, if she hires this spring, she risks burying the PItt program permanently. A, she'd be firing a clean guy and potentially a coach who has been heavily criticized by this board for his lack of recruiting success precisely because of the scandal (that is, he couldn't recruit because he and, by extension, Pitt, didn't cheat), and B, she'd run the risk of potentially hiring a coach who could wind up either tainted, at best, or with a show cause, at worst. If that were to happen, Pitt's done. If you think this year's been bad, imagine it being like this for a decade. Because that's precisely what would happen.

But at this point, there's almost no downside risk to keeping Stallings. We could see men like Bill Self and Coach K having to retire as a result of what's coming, and the assistants won't be spared, either. Lyke can credibly say Pitt needs to give Stallings more time, in part because, well, he needs more time. But in addition, because of the buyout and the uncertain NCAA landscape and the risk inherent in hiring a new coach in this environment.

The only coaches in this environment she could plausibly hire without considerable concern that they'd be caught up in this mess are Tom Crean and Thad Matta. I'm on record as saying I think Matta would be a cataclysmic mistake. And if I'm Crean watching all this, I'm smiling because when the dust settles, I'm going to get my pick of a Blue Blood coaching job. I might have to deal with a year or two of sanctions, but I'll pay that cost to coach at Kansas, UNC, Michigan State, or another perennial college hoops power.

Someone will say she could hire a mid-major coach and be OK, but why do that? The right long-term play now, unquestionably, is to wait. Why gamble on a mid-major hire who may be Ben Howland, but could also be John Groce? Especially when you may well have a top 10 pick next spring when the shooting stops in the scandal-to-come.

While you wait, Stallings stabilizes the program (yes, haters, he will; this team's going .500ish next season no matter how much you guys hate him), which provides Lyke with options after the '18-'19 season. She can stick with Stallings, who could come out of all this looking like a rose (imagine some of the recruiting battles we're currently in if the cheaters against whom we're competing are exposed; guess who wins those battles?), or she could thank him for helping get the program back on track, pay a reduced buyout, then hire a coach who suddenly sees Pitt as a very attractive option. And if the current NCAA proposal to allow transfers to play immediately passes, as expected, that new coach would have the immediate ability to stock the cupboards with talent (or Stallings could as well).
When you are predicting .500 next year and a CBI or NIT, how are you getting there? Similar to 2016-17 with 4-6 ACC wins? We won't make the NIT with that. Are you predicting more than 6 ACC wins?

Pitt could and likely would be way worse off next year. Next year's team is going to be bad. Real bad. Their absolutely upper limit is 2016-17 with it more likely we are worse in non-conference and win 2-4 games in ACC play. If this scandal actually does break, it would break with job openings next year. At that point, if we waited another year on Stallings, we would have 3 years of very bad recruiting, nothing lined up for 2019 and a fanbase, which is completely dejected competing with legitimate openings with talent. We wouldn't sniff a decent coach.

You don't believe in/trust recruiting rankings. Got it. Well, they tell a bad story for us and they are a very good indicator of success. So are the offers and options for recruits. Ours have few. We don't have very many good options for 2019, either. The future looks incredibly bleak.
 
The elephant in the room is laughing at the notion that this team can come anywhere close to .500 with the roster we are looking to have next year by doing anything other than scheduling at least 11 or 12 non-conference wins. And beating Delaware State 11 times really isn't going to show anything at all about how good the team actually is.
 
This is a valid point. However, Thad Matta is not coaching because of back issues. If he were healthy enough to coach he would be one of the biggest home run hires Pitt could imagine.

Agree but to be clear, OSU almost definitely paid to get Oden and Conley out of Indiana. Also D'angelo Russell, Evan Turner. Not that I care, just saying
 
Agree but to be clear, OSU almost definitely paid to get Oden and Conley out of Indiana. Also D'angelo Russell, Evan Turner. Not that I care, just saying
And Sean Miller and rick pitino were certainly paying players. It's pretty hard to find a great coach at a big program where this wasn't going on. I might even go as far as saying the big programs that don't get mentioned in this FBI case probably just didn't get caught.

Nothing has changed in college sports since smu football, it's probably gotten worse. Everyone on earth knew every other SWC team was paying players back then, they just went after SMU. I'd find it hard to believe a major college program that wins at a high level has never gotten involved with this stuff.
 
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And they did so with good reason.
They did. But it could still be looked at as similar to what's gonna happen with the FBI, depending on who they punish. There could very well be schools that aren't even mentioned that are still involved, this is rampant in college athletics. The schools they do go after though, like SMU will obviously not be innocent in all of this, they just probably won't be the only ones doing it.
 
Interesting post from the OP

If even some of this is true...
.....does it make sense that Barnes (with a significant basketball background) limited his choice to a coach who was clean ?

Did Gallagher mandate getting a coach with no dirt?
 
The schools they do go after though, like SMU will obviously not be innocent in all of this, they just probably won't be the only ones doing it.

Nobody was doing what SMU did. Nobody. SMU had Board of Trustees meetings where they discussed how much money they were going to pay their players, and it was frequently BOT members who went into the locker room and handed guys the envelopes with the money in it. The NCAA caught them and put them on probation. And right after that at a BOT meeting the Board decided that even though they had just been put on probation for paying players that it wouldn't be "fair" to the players that we being paid to just cut them off, so they decided, as a Board, to continue paying players.

Literally just a few weeks after being put on probation for paying players their BOTs met and decided to keep on paying players. No one was doing that at the time. There is no evidence that anyone has done that since. No one has ever been nearly as brazen in their cheating as SMU was.

If there is an SMU equivalent coming down the line, it would be AFTER the FBI and the NCAA come down on these schools if their BOTs would THEN decide that it was all no big deal and would continue, as school policy, to do the exact same thing that they had just gotten in trouble for. How do you suppose the NCAA would react to that? How do you suppose the FBI would react?
 
Nobody was doing what SMU did. Nobody. SMU had Board of Trustees meetings where they discussed how much money they were going to pay their players, and it was frequently BOT members who went into the locker room and handed guys the envelopes with the money in it. The NCAA caught them and put them on probation. And right after that at a BOT meeting the Board decided that even though they had just been put on probation for paying players that it wouldn't be "fair" to the players that we being paid to just cut them off, so they decided, as a Board, to continue paying players.

Literally just a few weeks after being put on probation for paying players their BOTs met and decided to keep on paying players. No one was doing that at the time. There is no evidence that anyone has done that since. No one has ever been nearly as brazen in their cheating as SMU was.

If there is an SMU equivalent coming down the line, it would be AFTER the FBI and the NCAA come down on these schools if their BOTs would THEN decide that it was all no big deal and would continue, as school policy, to do the exact same thing that they had just gotten in trouble for. How do you suppose the NCAA would react to that? How do you suppose the FBI would react?
You're absolutely right about everything here. But when they initially went on probation, they weren't the only ones doing it they just got caught. Nobody was in position to do what SMU did because nobody in the SWC was on probation at that time to then even have to decide what to do.

As for the FBI and NCAA now, I would hope they would do the same exact thing. They always talk about never handing down the death penalty again because they realized how much it killed SMU. So what? They went on probation and basically said F U we gotta keep paying these guys.

If someone or some ones gets their university in trouble with the FBI and their program isn't squeaky clean after that, or especially in a possible probation period, I would think they would have to say hell with the past, shut it down. Otherwise this rampant paying of college athletes will continue to get worse if schools realize they can do whatever and still never receive the NCAA's harshest penalty. As long as schools can play games, appear on tv, and sell tickets, they'll still make money.

Curious as to that now. I know television ban was a big punishment back then. I remember hearing talks it was a possible part of psu's punishment, but obviously never happened. In this day and age though, would they ever actually ban a program from appearing on tv? I feel like that could really hit a school hard in their pockets but that's one thing I don't know if we'll ever see again.
 
I'm with you hoops guy. Most Pitt fans that I know are taking the same approach. The situation stinks and there is no good vibes for next year regardless of what happens. I hear most people saying that it is better to eat next season than to eat the $10 million. Message boards and the folks inhabiting them are a small faction of the fan base. To your point regarding the FBI...I think that if this thing is as big as some are making it out to be, it may affect us in a different way. Specifically, we may see 10-20 head coach openings at programs that have far more to offer than us. What could that bidding war be like? What coaches will be left when the music stops?
 
I'm with you hoops guy. Most Pitt fans that I know are taking the same approach. The situation stinks and there is no good vibes for next year regardless of what happens. I hear most people saying that it is better to eat next season than to eat the $10 million. Message boards and the folks inhabiting them are a small faction of the fan base. To your point regarding the FBI...I think that if this thing is as big as some are making it out to be, it may affect us in a different way. Specifically, we may see 10-20 head coach openings at programs that have far more to offer than us. What could that bidding war be like? What coaches will be left when the music stops?
Anyone who thinks the buyout is $10M is extremely ill informed.

The latter point about job openings next year is the far, far more dangerous option if we hold onto Stallings for another year.
 
I expect a change. I don't know how you can't with attendance as poor as it is. Can't hemorrhage $$$ like this. If Pitt ever needed to put money together from fans for a buyout, this is the one time it would make sense.
 
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