In basketball was won by Michigan St in 2000. That's a 23 year drought but they still get all these bids and media attention that is nauseating. H2P!!!
So the Big10's last National Championship
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They are so overhyped in Football and Hoops it truly is nauseating.
Absolutely perfect conference for a bid. 1 really good team. No Miami's, Virginia's, or Duke's. 11 Pitt's. Everyone beats each other and racks up the Q1s.
@pierre93 - 2 weeks ago I posted this about the very same subject:
On yesterday's broadcast of ACC PM, Mark Packer went into quite the monologue about comparing the P6 conferences: How many NCAAT bids has each conference received since a team from that conference won a National Championship?
From "memory" I think it was:
Big 12 - "0", as Kansas won in 2022
ACC - "12", as UVA won in 2019
Big East - "18", as Villanova won in 2018
SEC - "40 something", as UK won in 2012
Pac 12 - "105-ish", as Arizona won in 1997
Big Ten+ - "130", as MSU won in 2000
But Pack went on to note that the Big Ten has had 190 teams receive bids since 1990 (Michigan won in 1989), and only once has the Big Ten won the Championship game. In that same time frame, teams from the ACC have won 11 National Championships
His point: here is the ACC "fighting" to get 5 teams into the NCAAT this year, while the Big Ten may get as many as 9. And what do the Big Ten teams do in the tournament? L, L, L, L, L, L, L ...
And if last year was any indication of how good the ACC teams can be and usually are, come tournament time, the 2022 version of lower seeded ACC teams got three to the Elite Eight; 2 to the Final Four; and 1 to the Championship game
Pack was just stating facts. How, year-after-year-after-year, can one "committee" be so wrong, and continue to invite so many Big Ten teams to the tournament? AND, have them take up so many higher seeds, only to see them continue to fail?
What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing repeatedly and hoping for a different result ...
On yesterday's broadcast of ACC PM, Mark Packer went into quite the monologue about comparing the P6 conferences: How many NCAAT bids has each conference received since a team from that conference won a National Championship?
From "memory" I think it was:
Big 12 - "0", as Kansas won in 2022
ACC - "12", as UVA won in 2019
Big East - "18", as Villanova won in 2018
SEC - "40 something", as UK won in 2012
Pac 12 - "105-ish", as Arizona won in 1997
Big Ten+ - "130", as MSU won in 2000
But Pack went on to note that the Big Ten has had 190 teams receive bids since 1990 (Michigan won in 1989), and only once has the Big Ten won the Championship game. In that same time frame, teams from the ACC have won 11 National Championships
His point: here is the ACC "fighting" to get 5 teams into the NCAAT this year, while the Big Ten may get as many as 9. And what do the Big Ten teams do in the tournament? L, L, L, L, L, L, L ...
And if last year was any indication of how good the ACC teams can be and usually are, come tournament time, the 2022 version of lower seeded ACC teams got three to the Elite Eight; 2 to the Final Four; and 1 to the Championship game
Pack was just stating facts. How, year-after-year-after-year, can one "committee" be so wrong, and continue to invite so many Big Ten teams to the tournament? AND, have them take up so many higher seeds, only to see them continue to fail?
What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing repeatedly and hoping for a different result ...
The ACC Network and other media outlets should be talking about this nonstop. People let the biased Big 10 media control the narrative.
In defense of the Big 10, they had several different teams play in the championship game during that time frame.
Michigan (twice,)
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan (twice,)
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Illinois
Indiana
The ACC has 8 national championships and 3 runner ups over that time span. The Big Pretend is overrated once again.
What would be more telling is: what are the collective records of the teams from each conference who received bids over that time frame? That the ACC has had 11 National Championships compared to 1 for the B1G is a huge disparity for sure. But what of the teams from each conference that got bids and didn't make it to the Final Four/Championship Game?
It is no surprise that the cream rises to the top. After watching a few highlights it wouldn't surprise me if Duke and Kansas are back in the Final Four this year.
Sorry didn't catch your post then but thx 4 info. H2P
They should completely eliminate the committee. Conferences should get a number of bids based on their past tournament success. Similar to the way the World Cup gives spots to different regions.
Indiana basketball is embarrassing
So is the BG 10….embarrassing… hype hype and more hype
So is the BG 10….embarrassing… hype hype and more hype
Not to take anything away from the pedophiles, but them making the final of the big 10 tournament as a 10 seed pretty much tells you that there are a ton of average teams in that league. They are actually alot like us, except that they play defense. The big 10 is Purdue and a bunch of leftovers.
Jalen Pickett is also 1 of the 10-15 best players in the country. Burton is great, but Pickett is a bit better
Hypothetically, would PSU climb to as high as a 6 seed if they beat Purdue tomorrow? And might that set up a 6-seed PSU vs 11-seed Pitt in one of the first round games???
Agree also. They don't have the experienced guards required to go deep in the tournament.
Indiana hasn’t been the same since Knight left.Good teams, yes,but blue blood status is gone.
Packer hit it hard one day to the point where I thought he sounded too much like an ACC homer. I do think that the metric of winning a NC is a little unfair. The B10 doesn't have any true blue bloods. What they have are a lot of good, but not elite programs. You can maybe call MSU elite but they arent normally going to have that lottery pick you need to cut the nets. What also helps them is they usually dont have many teams that drag you down. Even NW, PSU, and RU are good now.
When you dont have blue bloods, you dont have any guaranteed losses. And when most of your league is good but not great, you can all win just your home games, maybe one good one on the road and have an outstanding resume.
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