Stadium design: Timing is everything

[raleighpanther]

I once saw a design for the replacement for Forbes Field, one that was done in the early 60s. It looked a lot like Dodger Stadium. Unfortunately, by the time a new stadium was approved, a few years had passed, and we’d moved into a new stadium era, and that original fan friendly design was replaced by the more “modern” Stalinist concrete design that created Three Rivers Stadium, and nearly identical monstrosities in Cincinnati and Philadelphia.

Fortunately, Three Rivers was poorly built, and needed to be torn down after less than 30 years, in the midst of the smaller, throwback design era for baseball, giving Pittsburgh the beautiful PNC Park. While Heinz is just a functional stadium for football, it’s still an improvement over Three Rivers.

I think PNC will be around for a very, very long time. But for football, and specifically for Pitt football…

Eventually, and I don’t mean anytime real soon, Pitt will be playing in a new home. Either Heinz will be replaced, and Pitt will play in that replacement, or Pitt will eventually get its own stadium. I don’t want to – NOR DO I WANT ANYONE ELSE TO, PLEASE -- contribute to this thread with the same old shit that’s been said a million times before on this board about an on-campus stadium. There is currently (yet another) whining, name calling thread going on right now on the board; please keep those type of comments there. Thank you.

But we are at the end of the Jerry’s World bigger-than-life (and his ego) stadium era, and thank god for that. LA is building such a stadium for its two new NFL franchises, but I think this is about it for these types of structures. The Chargers are playing in a 27k soccer stadium in LA for the next three years, and the link below talks about a possible move to go small with future stadiums. This idea is not new; this is just a recent example.

Another issue is transportation. Forbes Field and Pitt Stadium were built without consideration for cars. Stadium, sidewalk, street, that’s it. With a 10 foot poll, you could stand on the street and touch either stadium. The thing is, we’re now heading back to the future – this is now the beginning of the end of the car era, at least as we know it. Car ownership is down; many urban millennials don’t have and don’t want to own a car. The growth of fully self-driven cars and “ubering” as a way to get around urban areas will grow in tandem, and eventually, when all cars are self-driven, urban design will change radically. Stadiums designed in 20-30 years will be far less concerned with parking and traffic flow than today, and the space needed to build one will shrink dramatically.

The point is, compared to a stadium designed in 20 years, a stadium designed and built over the next few years or so will be more expensive, take up way more room, have way more seating. And quickly, it will be outdated.

Article link on Chargers: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...b8ifol6?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Saboteur]

Heinz is not attractive in the least and it is shabby. The good news for Pittsburgh is that once the area around it is fully built out, the stadium will no longer be needed as an anchor.
I see Pitt piggybacking on a new Steelers stadium in 10-15 years.

 

[Panther Holla]

I don't recall anything structurally deficient about Three Rivers Stadium. If it had lasted till now, it would still be in better shape than jiffy-popped Heinz Field, which is already crumbling. All HF has over 3RS is the city view. Three Rivers in all its brutalist glory was LOUD and crowds there intimidated visitors, Pitt was 7-3 there.

Three Rivers fell out of favor because the stadium craze was in full gear and local governments were scrambling, by all means possible, to keep their pro franchises.

More thought are care went into the design and construction of the Pirates' ballpark. I agree that it will last a good long time, or until some baseball owner build something revolutionary and upsets the paradigm.

But the NFL? Keep an ear to the rail. If Georgia/Atlanta/Fulton County could replace a 20YOstadium, anything is possible.

 

[BFo8]

I once saw a design for the replacement for Forbes Field, one that was done in the early 60s. It looked a lot like Dodger Stadium. Unfortunately, by the time a new stadium was approved, a few years had passed, and we’d moved into a new stadium era, and that original fan friendly design was replaced by the more “modern” Stalinist concrete design that created Three Rivers Stadium, and nearly identical monstrosities in Cincinnati and Philadelphia.

Fortunately, Three Rivers was poorly built, and needed to be torn down after less than 30 years, in the midst of the smaller, throwback design era for baseball, giving Pittsburgh the beautiful PNC Park. While Heinz is just a functional stadium for football, it’s still an improvement over Three Rivers.

I think PNC will be around for a very, very long time. But for football, and specifically for Pitt football…

Eventually, and I don’t mean anytime real soon, Pitt will be playing in a new home. Either Heinz will be replaced, and Pitt will play in that replacement, or Pitt will eventually get its own stadium. I don’t want to – NOR DO I WANT ANYONE ELSE TO, PLEASE -- contribute to this thread with the same old shit that’s been said a million times before on this board about an on-campus stadium. There is currently (yet another) whining, name calling thread going on right now on the board; please keep those type of comments there. Thank you.

But we are at the end of the Jerry’s World bigger-than-life (and his ego) stadium era, and thank god for that. LA is building such a stadium for its two new NFL franchises, but I think this is about it for these types of structures. The Chargers are playing in a 27k soccer stadium in LA for the next three years, and the link below talks about a possible move to go small with future stadiums. This idea is not new; this is just a recent example.

Another issue is transportation. Forbes Field and Pitt Stadium were built without consideration for cars. Stadium, sidewalk, street, that’s it. With a 10 foot poll, you could stand on the street and touch either stadium. The thing is, we’re now heading back to the future – this is now the beginning of the end of the car era, at least as we know it. Car ownership is down; many urban millennials don’t have and don’t want to own a car. The growth of fully self-driven cars and “ubering” as a way to get around urban areas will grow in tandem, and eventually, when all cars are self-driven, urban design will change radically. Stadiums designed in 20-30 years will be far less concerned with parking and traffic flow than today, and the space needed to build one will shrink dramatically.

The point is, compared to a stadium designed in 20 years, a stadium designed and built over the next few years or so will be more expensive, take up way more room, have way more seating. And quickly, it will be outdated.

Article link on Chargers: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...b8ifol6?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The new Raiders stadium being built in Las Vegas has Jerry Jones style written all over it. Will almost certainly be well over 2 billion when all is said and done.

 

[Saboteur]

I don't recall anything structurally deficient about Three Rivers Stadium. If it had lasted till now, it would still be in better shape than jiffy-popped Heinz Field, which is already crumbling. All HF has over 3RS is the city view. Three Rivers in all its brutalist glory was LOUD and crowds there intimidated visitors, Pitt was 7-3 there.

Three Rivers fell out of favor because the stadium craze was in full gear and local governments were scrambling, by all means possible, to keep their pro franchises.

More thought are care went into the design and construction of the Pirates' ballpark. I agree that it will last a good long time, or until some baseball owner build something revolutionary and upsets the paradigm.

But the NFL? Keep an ear to the rail. If Georgia/Atlanta/Fulton County could replace a 20YOstadium, anything is possible.

I think the new stadium is in Cobb county

 

[bobfree]

I was in Colorado this week and happen to have an event on CSU campus.

Their on campus stadium is ridiculously awesome.

 

[bobfree]

 

[rmf05]

3RS had its decks much farther away than Heinz. The farthest seat in Heinz is better than any 500 seat in 3RS. I'll never forget how great the view from my seat was my first Pitt game at Heinz. My seat was the same as my 3RS seats, at the very top on the 20 behind Pitt's bench. Much lower and closer. Other than that, I've always hated Heinz to be honest. I second the not as loud comment.

 

[rmf05]

I was in Colorado this week and happen to have an event on CSU campus.

Their on campus stadium is ridiculously awesome.

Yeah, Colorado and AirForce have amazing campuses and stadiums! Colorado is like Pitt Stadium and the Sun Bowl. You walk down into them.

 

[RHS14]

The point is, compared to a stadium designed in 20 years, a stadium designed and built over the next few years or so will be more expensive, take up way more room, have way more seating. And quickly, it will be outdated.

Why would Pitt not Re-Fit Heinz, and additionally set it up for concerts / fairs and such?

Why not take Heinz and absolutely "Pitt-a-Form" all the 'Steelers' parts out --- and add Classrooms / Labs / Gyms and Recreation + Even maybe Pitt Apartments, and make it Part of Pitt?

If Pitt took over Heinz they could tear-down the Dreaded Fat End-Zone Upper Deck, and Voila! It is now a 55,000 seat Stadium still with great Dimensions.

I charge high fees but I do occasionally do consulting too --- long Queue though lol.

 

[RHS14]

Why would Pitt not Re-Fit Heinz, and additionally set it up for concerts / fairs and such?

Why not take Heinz and absolutely "Pitt-a-Form" all the 'Steelers' parts out --- and add Classrooms / Labs / Gyms and Recreation + Even maybe Pitt Apartments, and make it Part of Pitt?

If Pitt took over Heinz they could tear-down the Dreaded Fat End-Zone Upper Deck, and Voila! It is now a 55,000 seat Stadium still with great Dimensions.

I charge high fees but I do occasionally do consulting too --- long Queue though lol.

I would add a Pitt Theater (or, Theatre, lol) and a Pitt Student Full on Movie Theater (that the athletes would use for team building too), and special Classrooms in Heinz too which would make it completely a University of Pittsburgh Campus Building feel --- where there just happens to be a Football game played there 6 times a year.

 

[paulbl99]

I once saw a design for the replacement for Forbes Field, one that was done in the early 60s. It looked a lot like Dodger Stadium. Unfortunately, by the time a new stadium was approved, a few years had passed, and we’d moved into a new stadium era, and that original fan friendly design was replaced by the more “modern” Stalinist concrete design that created Three Rivers Stadium, and nearly identical monstrosities in Cincinnati and Philadelphia.

Fortunately, Three Rivers was poorly built, and needed to be torn down after less than 30 years, in the midst of the smaller, throwback design era for baseball, giving Pittsburgh the beautiful PNC Park. While Heinz is just a functional stadium for football, it’s still an improvement over Three Rivers.

I think PNC will be around for a very, very long time. But for football, and specifically for Pitt football…

Eventually, and I don’t mean anytime real soon, Pitt will be playing in a new home. Either Heinz will be replaced, and Pitt will play in that replacement, or Pitt will eventually get its own stadium. I don’t want to – NOR DO I WANT ANYONE ELSE TO, PLEASE -- contribute to this thread with the same old shit that’s been said a million times before on this board about an on-campus stadium. There is currently (yet another) whining, name calling thread going on right now on the board; please keep those type of comments there. Thank you.

But we are at the end of the Jerry’s World bigger-than-life (and his ego) stadium era, and thank god for that. LA is building such a stadium for its two new NFL franchises, but I think this is about it for these types of structures. The Chargers are playing in a 27k soccer stadium in LA for the next three years, and the link below talks about a possible move to go small with future stadiums. This idea is not new; this is just a recent example.

Another issue is transportation. Forbes Field and Pitt Stadium were built without consideration for cars. Stadium, sidewalk, street, that’s it. With a 10 foot poll, you could stand on the street and touch either stadium. The thing is, we’re now heading back to the future – this is now the beginning of the end of the car era, at least as we know it. Car ownership is down; many urban millennials don’t have and don’t want to own a car. The growth of fully self-driven cars and “ubering” as a way to get around urban areas will grow in tandem, and eventually, when all cars are self-driven, urban design will change radically. Stadiums designed in 20-30 years will be far less concerned with parking and traffic flow than today, and the space needed to build one will shrink dramatically.

The point is, compared to a stadium designed in 20 years, a stadium designed and built over the next few years or so will be more expensive, take up way more room, have way more seating. And quickly, it will be outdated.

Article link on Chargers: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...b8ifol6?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The original plan for Forbes replacement was beautiful.
It was open ended ,crescent shaped with the roof sloping slightly downward from what would have been the home plate side down the foul lines. It was definitely a baseball first facility.

But it came in at something like 35million , way over budget so they changed the design to save about 8M lol chump change today.

The Pirates were said to be devastated when they saw the plans knowing they would be playing in a football stadium which switched to a baseball layout...

So they piggy backed what became a big trend ....the Cookie Cutter of Cincinnati, St. Louis, Philly , Atlanta , Shea (kinda) , San Diego (kinda) , Oakland.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I once saw a design for the replacement for Forbes Field, one that was done in the early 60s. It looked a lot like Dodger Stadium. Unfortunately, by the time a new stadium was approved, a few years had passed, and we’d moved into a new stadium era, and that original fan friendly design was replaced by the more “modern” Stalinist concrete design that created Three Rivers Stadium, and nearly identical monstrosities in Cincinnati and Philadelphia.

Fortunately, Three Rivers was poorly built, and needed to be torn down after less than 30 years, in the midst of the smaller, throwback design era for baseball, giving Pittsburgh the beautiful PNC Park. While Heinz is just a functional stadium for football, it’s still an improvement over Three Rivers.

I think PNC will be around for a very, very long time. But for football, and specifically for Pitt football…

Eventually, and I don’t mean anytime real soon, Pitt will be playing in a new home. Either Heinz will be replaced, and Pitt will play in that replacement, or Pitt will eventually get its own stadium. I don’t want to – NOR DO I WANT ANYONE ELSE TO, PLEASE -- contribute to this thread with the same old shit that’s been said a million times before on this board about an on-campus stadium. There is currently (yet another) whining, name calling thread going on right now on the board; please keep those type of comments there. Thank you.

But we are at the end of the Jerry’s World bigger-than-life (and his ego) stadium era, and thank god for that. LA is building such a stadium for its two new NFL franchises, but I think this is about it for these types of structures. The Chargers are playing in a 27k soccer stadium in LA for the next three years, and the link below talks about a possible move to go small with future stadiums. This idea is not new; this is just a recent example.

Another issue is transportation. Forbes Field and Pitt Stadium were built without consideration for cars. Stadium, sidewalk, street, that’s it. With a 10 foot poll, you could stand on the street and touch either stadium. The thing is, we’re now heading back to the future – this is now the beginning of the end of the car era, at least as we know it. Car ownership is down; many urban millennials don’t have and don’t want to own a car. The growth of fully self-driven cars and “ubering” as a way to get around urban areas will grow in tandem, and eventually, when all cars are self-driven, urban design will change radically. Stadiums designed in 20-30 years will be far less concerned with parking and traffic flow than today, and the space needed to build one will shrink dramatically.

The point is, compared to a stadium designed in 20 years, a stadium designed and built over the next few years or so will be more expensive, take up way more room, have way more seating. And quickly, it will be outdated.

Article link on Chargers: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...b8ifol6?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The last few NFL stadiums built or being built are palaces and that trend will continue.

JerryWorld
ATL
Santa Clara 49ers
Las Vegas
LA

Heinz will be replaced in the next 15-25 years and the next stadium will be a palace and if I'm the Steelers, I build it between 80K and 100K seats. Pitt will either play there with better downsizing technology that will be available then or takeover Heinz Field and trim it down by 20K seats, or build an on-campus stadium

 

[BFo8]

The last few NFL stadiums built or being built are palaces and that trend will continue.

JerryWorld
ATL
Santa Clara 49ers
Las Vegas
LA

Heinz will be replaced in the next 15-25 years and the next stadium will be a palace and if I'm the Steelers, I build it between 80K and 100K seats. Pitt will either play there with better downsizing technology that will be available then or takeover Heinz Field and trim it down by 20K seats, or build an on-campus stadium

UNLV averages about 22k at their lousy stadium, will be interesting to see what they draw at the new place. I'd guess around 40k, most (like me) curious to see the new place that's much more centrally located and totally state of the art.

Agree with you that Heinz probably has a shelf life of about 20 more years, the decision Pitt makes at that time will be one of the more important they've ever made football-wise.

 

[BFo8]

I was in Colorado this week and happen to have an event on CSU campus.

Their on campus stadium is ridiculously awesome.

Promised a buddy I would meet him for a game there before seasons end, he's not even a CSU fan but was there opening day and can't stop raving about the stadium.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The original plan for Forbes replacement was beautiful.
It was open ended ,crescent shaped with the roof sloping slightly downward from what would have been the home plate side down the foul lines. It was definitely a baseball first facility.

But it came in at something like 35million , way over budget so they changed the design to save about 8M lol chump change today.

The Pirates were said to be devastated when they saw the plans knowing they would be playing in a football stadium which switched to a baseball layout...

So they piggy backed what became a big trend ....the Cookie Cutter of Cincinnati, St. Louis, Philly , Atlanta , Shea (kinda) , San Diego (kinda) , Oakland.

And after 30 years of use by two franchises-
Was only half paid for .

Stadiums are money losers for the public.

 

[paulbl99]

And after 30 years of use by two franchises-
Was only half paid for .

Stadiums are money losers for the public.

True but Gubimint wastes money by definition.

I like having pro teams even if the Economis don't.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

True but Gubimint wastes money by definition.

I like having pro teams even if the Economis don't.

You enjoy paying taxes to subsidize billionaires.
Good for you

 

[paulbl99]

You enjoy paying taxes to subsidize billionaires.
Good for you

Given the waste, inefficiencies and lack of productivity of its nutz sitters which is in fact the hallmark of GUBIMINT , it is one of their better expenditures.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Given the waste, inefficiencies and lack of productivity of its nutz sitters which is in fact the hallmark of GUBIMINT , it is one of their better expenditures.

The billionaire owners agree.
They enjoy not spending their money.
And you enjoy it as well.

 

[paulbl99]

The billionaire owners agree.
They enjoy not spending their money.
And you enjoy it as well.

Ain't this country GREAT.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Ain't this country GREAT.

Just enjoying the hypocrisy.


Government waste money, but I support the wasteful spending I enjoy.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

The last few NFL stadiums built or being built are palaces and that trend will continue.

JerryWorld
ATL
Santa Clara 49ers
Las Vegas
LA

Heinz will be replaced in the next 15-25 years and the next stadium will be a palace and if I'm the Steelers, I build it between 80K and 100K seats. Pitt will either play there with better downsizing technology that will be available then or takeover Heinz Field and trim it down by 20K seats, or build an on-campus stadium

no way the Steelers build a stadium that big. This is Pittsburgh. A city not exactly growing. The Rooneys have always known the importance of supply and demand and the perceptions around empty seats. And make no mistake, empty seats in an 80k stadium would be a weekly occurrence. Let alone in a 100k stadium.

 

[paulbl99]

no way the Steelers build a stadium that big. This is Pittsburgh. A city not exactly growing. The Rooneys have always known the importance of supply and demand and the perceptions around empty seats. And make no mistake, empty seats in an 80k stadium would be a weekly occurrence. Let alone in a 100k stadium.

Rooney wants a SB in Pgh to honor the old man and the old old man.
They have to go bigger that is a mandate from the NFL , but you are spot on they will NEVER build 100k.
That's Looney talk.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Rooney wants a SB in Pgh to honor the old man and the old old man.
They have to go bigger that is a mandate from the NFL , but you are spot on they will NEVER build 100k.
That's Looney talk.

They can get a super bowl with 75K. I can see the Steelers potentially expanding to 80k but 75k would be my guess. Maybe a 75k stadium that can expand to 80k somehow. Remember when Jerry shoehorned additional seats into JerryWorld for the Super Bowl?

 

[Burgh15]

I really like Heinz Field. It looks incredible from the Point and offers good views from every seat, especially compared to other NFL stadiums I've been to.

Very good point on the timing. You could get an incredible design where everything is done right or you could get a monstrosity like they have in Dallas or New York or something like one of the warehouses imitating a baseball field.

With most NFL teams pricing out the average fan and a better at-home experience for many, there won't be a need for huge seating capacities and smaller stadiums will probably be on the rise. Rather than seating capacity, they'll focus on clubs, bars, event space, and screens. Teams still need to make money, but will do so by charging the higher income fans more for the experience factor and continue to price out the "blue collar" fans that once made the in-stadium experience incredible each week.

The nice thing about college is that you don't necessarily have to expect all of the bells and whistles of a pro facility and the ticket prices will never have to be at those levels. We've also seen some very nice designs built recently that should age well.

 

[paulbl99]

Just enjoying the hypocrisy.


Government waste money, but I support the wasteful spending I enjoy.

Not at all hypocrisy you just struggle to follow along....
Gubimint is an endless pit of waste ,misuse of funds and the most unproductive use of money there is.
I'll take the stadiums and the team having the pros sports over the rest of its incompetency and malfeasance

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Not at all hypocrisy you just struggle to follow along....
Gubimint is an endless pit of waste ,misuse of funds and the most unproductive use of money there is.
I'll take the stadiums and the team having the pros sports over the rest of its incompetency and malfeasance

You like wasting tax payer money to allow billionaires to make money without spending their own.

It's the precise definition of hypocrisy.

 

[paulbl99]

You like wasting tax payer money to allow billionaires to make money without spending their own.

It's the precise definition of hypocrisy.

No it's just better wastedvthere than the normal waste and graft.
Much better.
You are confused.

 

[Panther Holla]

I think the new stadium is in Cobb county

SunTrust, the Braves' park, is in Cobb. The new football stadium is in Atlanta.

 

[TimWVU01]

The original plan for Forbes replacement was beautiful.
It was open ended ,crescent shaped with the roof sloping slightly downward from what would have been the home plate side down the foul lines. It was definitely a baseball first facility.

But it came in at something like 35million , way over budget so they changed the design to save about 8M lol chump change today.

The Pirates were said to be devastated when they saw the plans knowing they would be playing in a football stadium which switched to a baseball layout...

So they piggy backed what became a big trend ....the Cookie Cutter of Cincinnati, St. Louis, Philly , Atlanta , Shea (kinda) , San Diego (kinda) , Oakland.

RFK (then DC) Stadium in DC was technically the first cookie cutter (built in 1960) -- I believe Busch in St. Louis and Atlanta-Fulton County were next (1966 for both). RFK was the best one in terms of its Baseball viewing capability -- though Fulton County wasn't terrible either.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Heinz is not attractive in the least and it is shabby. The good news for Pittsburgh is that once the area around it is fully built out, the stadium will no longer be needed as an anchor.
I see Pitt piggybacking on a new Steelers stadium in 10-15 years.

Heinz was built on the cheap and is not very attractive from the outside (or inside for that matter). But is is extremely functional and cost effective. Great sight lines, plenty of concessions and rest rooms, chairbacks with cup holders. Plus the all-important club suites and luxury boxes. Compared to the high school stadium on steroids last week, it is no contest where I prefer watching games.

Heinz and the Steelers are going nowhere. Rooneys are more tied in to the North Side than Ireland now, especially with all the development. It would take a major fallout with the city & county for something seismic to happen to cause them to move. You think any politician is going to take a stand against the Steelers? It would be political suicide.

 

[Saboteur]

SunTrust, the Braves' park, is in Cobb. The new football stadium is in Atlanta.

Thanks....money to burn when your region wants business.

 

[Saboteur]

Heinz was built on the cheap and is not very attractive from the outside (or inside for that matter). But is is extremely functional and cost effective. Great sight lines, plenty of concessions and rest rooms, chairbacks with cup holders. Plus the all-important club suites and luxury boxes. Compared to the high school stadium on steroids last week, it is no contest where I prefer watching games.

Heinz and the Steelers are going nowhere. Rooneys are more tied in to the North Side than Ireland now, especially with all the development. It would take a major fallout with the city & county for something seismic to happen to cause them to move. You think any politician is going to take a stand against the Steelers? It would be political suicide.

I'd love to see the Steelers and Andre Heinz disagree on something. Mayor Potato Head would die a thousand deaths.

 

[Saboteur]

I really like Heinz Field. It looks incredible from the Point and offers good views from every seat, especially compared to other NFL stadiums I've been to.

Very good point on the timing. You could get an incredible design where everything is done right or you could get a monstrosity like they have in Dallas or New York or something like one of the warehouses imitating a baseball field.

With most NFL teams pricing out the average fan and a better at-home experience for many, there won't be a need for huge seating capacities and smaller stadiums will probably be on the rise. Rather than seating capacity, they'll focus on clubs, bars, event space, and screens. Teams still need to make money, but will do so by charging the higher income fans more for the experience factor and continue to price out the "blue collar" fans that once made the in-stadium experience incredible each week.

The nice thing about college is that you don't necessarily have to expect all of the bells and whistles of a pro facility and the ticket prices will never have to be at those levels. We've also seen some very nice designs built recently that should age well.

College teams at the high end are pricing out fans too.

 

[paulbl99]

RFK (then DC) Stadium in DC was technically the first cookie cutter (built in 1960) -- I believe Busch in St. Louis and Atlanta-Fulton County were next (1966 for both). RFK was the best one in terms of its Baseball viewing capability -- though Fulton County wasn't terrible either.

Completely forgot about RFK.
There's a boatload of the cookie cutters from the past

Thank goodness The Orioles stopped that and entered in a new era.

 

[paulbl99]

I'd love to see the Steelers and Andre Heinz disagree on something. Mayor Potato Head would die a thousand deaths.

Mayor Potato Head

That is brutal
Down bright brilliant but brutal.
Lol

 

[Panther Holla]

Thanks....money to burn when your region wants business.

The Braves were on the outside looking in, as the city/county/state opted to fund the football field but had nothing left for the Braves. Atlanta kissed the braves goodbye to Cobb with blessings. According to what I read, Cobb County is where the largest swatch of Braves fans live.

But the key thing is...the replaced a stadium in Atlanta that was just 20 years old.

 

[Panther Holla]

Completely forgot about RFK.
There's a boatload of the cookie cutters from the past

Thank goodness The Orioles stopped that and entered in a new era.

Atlanta, RFK, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Philly... the Astrodome was the same deal with a roof.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The last few NFL stadiums built or being built are palaces and that trend will continue.

JerryWorld
ATL
Santa Clara 49ers
Las Vegas
LA

Heinz will be replaced in the next 15-25 years and the next stadium will be a palace and if I'm the Steelers, I build it between 80K and 100K seats. Pitt will either play there with better downsizing technology that will be available then or takeover Heinz Field and trim it down by 20K seats, or build an on-campus stadium

no way the Steelers build a stadium that big. This is Pittsburgh. A city not exactly growing. The Rooneys have always known the importance of supply and demand and the perceptions around empty seats. And make no mistake, empty seats in an 80k stadium would be a weekly occurrence. Let alone in a 100k stadium.

Keep in mind that if they did build a 100K seat stadium, those nosebleeds could be very reasonably priced to allow Yinzers with less disposable income to attend. You dont think the Steelers could sell another 20K tickets if they were nosebleeds averaging $30-$40 per game instead of $150. Surely they could.