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Steelers got their QB?

Wouldn’t it be crazy if their franchise QB is on the roster already?

I'm intrigued by Will Howard. And we've seen QB's from later rounds emerge as good QB's. He has a great size / speed combo, great attitude, and a plus arm (not fantastic, but pretty good). And he hasn't played much in a real pro style offense. So I think he has some runway.

But having said all that, I'd be crazy to think that we've round our franchise QB. Odds are pretty stacked against that from being true.
 
Relax. The point is, if took him transferring to Ohio State and winning the national title as a super senior to get drafted in the 6th round, are we even sure he gets drafted at all if he stayed put at K State?
He's definitely a beneficiary of the transfer portal. I think he transferred from K State because it was looking like he wasn't going to be the starter, right?
 
Not to sound like old man on the lawn, but could you imagine Chuck Noll or bill Cowher allowing this to happen?

And if/when he does come, he’s not bringing a Lombardi trophy or Super Bowl appearance with him. It is so utterly ridiculous.

See what you have with Howard. What can go wrong? 5-12? So what.

I think the more accurate way to put it is can you imagine Dan Rooney putting up with it?

I really think the Ben transition would have been different all around. Obviously don’t know this for sure, but I think he would have better toed the line to appease 2018-2021 Ben while being more aggressive about having a QB ready. Instead we got the likes of Devin Bush, Mason, Edmonds, and Minkah. And I get it - offense was elite, defense was bad. Shore up the defense and take one more run with Ben. Then you really look smart if your QB flyer develops.

But those were low % plays - very few great late 30’s or 3rd round QBs.
 
wait, what? you are saying his success and winning a national championship at ohio state is a bad thing? Man, that's a weird take..


i mean if Joe Burrows stays at ohio state and doesnt leave to go to lsu, he probably doesnt ever become a starter and he finishes his career as a backup at tosu and never gets drafted..

if joe flacco doesnt leave pitt and go to deleware, he's tyler palko's backup and no one ever hears from him again, 20 years ago.


not sure im following your logic on this one at all.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all, definitely not for him. I just have to wonder if he plays another year at K State instead, and puts up similar numbers to his other years as a starter, I don't know if he'd get a shot in the NFL. I certainly don't think anyone online would be talking about him as a franchise starter like this.
 
He's definitely a beneficiary of the transfer portal. I think he transferred from K State because it was looking like he wasn't going to be the starter, right?
I think the answer there is a solid "maybe". Avery Johnson showed a ton of promise, but in no way was he projected to start over Howard. Would he have beaten him out? That is where the "maybe" answer comes from.

Now, did KSU intimate to Will Howard that he would have to compete for his job out of fear of losing Avery Johnson to the transfer portal, prompting Howard to leave? That is probably the right answer. But it would be crazy to suggest that he wasn't good enough to start at Kansas State as a senior but good enough to start at Ohio State.
 
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all, definitely not for him. I just have to wonder if he plays another year at K State instead, and puts up similar numbers to his other years as a starter, I don't know if he'd get a shot in the NFL. I certainly don't think anyone online would be talking about him as a franchise starter like this.
i agree, and if joe flacco stayed at pitt, he wouldnt have gotten a shot at the nfl. same with Joe Burrows. there are a million examples of athletes, had they not transferred, wouldnt have gotten a shot at the nfl.

If baker mayfield stays at texas tech, no one knows his name today.
 
I'm really hoping the Steelers sign Aaron Rodgers. The drama and chaos that will ensue may be just enough to get Tomlin fired or maybe/hopefully step down. I can hardly wait.
Unpack the Circus Tents. In the center ring will be Rogers. In the two end rings, Tomlin and Artie Smith. AR2 as Emcee.
 
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I'm intrigued by Will Howard. And we've seen QB's from later rounds emerge as good QB's. He has a great size / speed combo, great attitude, and a plus arm (not fantastic, but pretty good). And he hasn't played much in a real pro style offense. So I think he has some runway.

But having said all that, I'd be crazy to think that we've round our franchise QB. Odds are pretty stacked against that from being true.
Look, I’ve been pretty vocal here advocating for Kenny. But that was more about his situation here (Canada, Tomlin, no weapons) than it was me saying Kenny had all the tools. What does Kenny have that Howard doesn’t? And vice versa.
 
Look, I’ve been pretty vocal here advocating for Kenny. But that was more about his situation here (Canada, Tomlin, no weapons) than it was me saying Kenny had all the tools. What does Kenny have that Howard doesn’t? And vice versa.
adult sized hands?
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The Steelers are either the dumbest organization for letting Rogers string them along or they're the dumbest organization for never quite understanding how bad their decision making can be. You have mandatory mini camp starting in two weeks and the guy you keep telling your local media boys will be the starter hasn't even been fitted for a helmet let alone throwing with his receivers on the side.
Are they letting him string them along? I'm not sure that is a true statement. I think they either know he is going to sign here or they are comfortable with whatever he decides. The rebuild is coming whether Rogers signs or not. So, I'm sure the Steelers won't mind starting the rebuild now vs later.
 
i dont think anyone is fully expecting Howard to be the answer, just that it would solve a ton of the steelers problems if he was..


way too many people putting way too much stock into thinking next year's draft has sure fire Franchise QBs. im not seeing it folks. if drew allar is a top 2 or 3 qb in that draft, im not seeing it.. i get it, archie's uncles and grandpap were really good qbs, doesnt make him a sure thing..
 
Are they letting him string them along? I'm not sure that is a true statement. I think they either know he is going to sign here or they are comfortable with whatever he decides. The rebuild is coming whether Rogers signs or not. So, I'm sure the Steelers won't mind starting the rebuild now vs later.
I don't know that it's true either but usually if a signing is imminent, we hear that they're waiting for some reason or that the guy plans to arrive on this day to sign and get things rolling. That's the odd part. I also can't imagine that the Steelers wouldn't be more dismissive of any reports that he's coming to the Steelers if they were certain he wasn't. It's just odd for an NFL team to be this close to mini camp, needing to decide who is playing the position, and the guy everyone is talking about isn't even on the roster.
 
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i dont think anyone is fully expecting Howard to be the answer, just that it would solve a ton of the steelers problems if he was..


way too many people putting way too much stock into thinking next year's draft has sure fire Franchise QBs. im not seeing it folks. if drew allar is a top 2 or 3 qb in that draft, im not seeing it.. i get it, archie's uncles and grandpap were really good qbs, doesnt make him a sure thing..
They need to decide what they're doing offensively. If they really want to be "run first" go put all of that QB money into OL-men in free agency and go find three or four guys to put behind it. You can bet by with a game manager like in Ben's first Super Bowl. But it has to be all-in, not this half-ass strategy of trying to cobble sometimes questionable rookies and value picks with castoff veterans. Go get the best of the best and honestly prioritize doing what it takes.
 
Look, I’ve been pretty vocal here advocating for Kenny. But that was more about his situation here (Canada, Tomlin, no weapons) than it was me saying Kenny had all the tools. What does Kenny have that Howard doesn’t? And vice versa.
Good question. I watched a lot of tO$U fooball this year (hard to avoid it up here) so I think I have a pretty good understand of what both bring to the table.

I think that Kenny had a lot more experience in a more NFL type offense than Howard had, which accounts for some of the difference in draft position. It appears that Kenny in college had more of an ability to anticipate what was going to happen than Howard has, but that could be as a result of Howard not needing to display that due to the shear amount of talent around him. The same goes for the appearance that Kenny was more of a "play maker" vs "game manager" than Howard. Howard didn't need to be a "play maker" at Ohio State. Kenny did at Pitt. But that doesn't mean Howard isn't a play maker.

I'd take Howard's size over Kenny's and their athleticism, while pretty similar, is a plus for Howard because I'd take that speed with that size over Kenny's similar speed but slightly smaller size. And Howard has a frame to add to, whereas Kenny is pretty much maxed out IMO.

I know there will be jokes about hand size. But that cannot be discounted. Howard has bigger hands. Like many people, my whole family measured our hands when the whole Kenny's hand size thing came out. My hands are bigger than Kenny's. I was always able to throw a HS football way further than a full inflated NFL ball. Like twice as far. I get it - I'm not an athlete and I haven't spent 1 second ever on developing throwing mechanics. And my younger son IS an athlete. And played some QB in HS. Been clocked at 90 in baseball. His hands are even bigger than mine. He can throw the HS football 65+ yards. He also struggles with being able to get a good enough grip on an NFL ball to be able to do anything close to what he can do with the HS ball. Accuracy suffers as well as distance. So, IMO, hand size is an issue for Kenny. Not saying he can't find a way. Just saying that it is a negative.

I think Kenny's ceiling is solid long term back up. I think Howard's ceiling is solid starter. But, I'm not saying Howard will ever be a solid starter.
 
we kind of gloss over the next steelers franchise QB's biggest issues and that remains to be that our OC is arthur Smith and our primary WR targets are DK and.... and..... and...... CA 3 and a guy from michigan who no one has seen since last august in latrobe...
 
What was Josh Allen’s offer sheet ? Big Ben ?
looking at hs recruiting profile for nfl players has to be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read on these forums
Now - I have no idea if Howard will be a good nfl qb .
But I’m happy he was the pick , once we passed on shadeur in earlier rounds.
 
Now - I have no idea if Howard will be a good nfl qb .
But I’m happy he was the pick , once we passed on shadeur in earlier rounds.
You love a circus. Not saying I don’t either. It makes things interesting.
 
Good question. I watched a lot of tO$U fooball this year (hard to avoid it up here) so I think I have a pretty good understand of what both bring to the table.

I think that Kenny had a lot more experience in a more NFL type offense than Howard had, which accounts for some of the difference in draft position. It appears that Kenny in college had more of an ability to anticipate what was going to happen than Howard has, but that could be as a result of Howard not needing to display that due to the shear amount of talent around him. The same goes for the appearance that Kenny was more of a "play maker" vs "game manager" than Howard. Howard didn't need to be a "play maker" at Ohio State. Kenny did at Pitt. But that doesn't mean Howard isn't a play maker.

I'd take Howard's size over Kenny's and their athleticism, while pretty similar, is a plus for Howard because I'd take that speed with that size over Kenny's similar speed but slightly smaller size. And Howard has a frame to add to, whereas Kenny is pretty much maxed out IMO.

I know there will be jokes about hand size. But that cannot be discounted. Howard has bigger hands. Like many people, my whole family measured our hands when the whole Kenny's hand size thing came out. My hands are bigger than Kenny's. I was always able to throw a HS football way further than a full inflated NFL ball. Like twice as far. I get it - I'm not an athlete and I haven't spent 1 second ever on developing throwing mechanics. And my younger son IS an athlete. And played some QB in HS. Been clocked at 90 in baseball. His hands are even bigger than mine. He can throw the HS football 65+ yards. He also struggles with being able to get a good enough grip on an NFL ball to be able to do anything close to what he can do with the HS ball. Accuracy suffers as well as distance. So, IMO, hand size is an issue for Kenny. Not saying he can't find a way. Just saying that it is a negative.

I think Kenny's ceiling is solid long term back up. I think Howard's ceiling is solid starter. But, I'm not saying Howard will ever be a solid starter.
Very interesting stuff.
 
Isn’t this why you all wanted Pickens gone ?
Maybe it’s time to make up your minds?
yeah but Rodgers holds more clout than a 3rd year wr who really hasnt done much in the league.


hall of fame QB with super bowl rings comes in and ignores Tomlin and Smith, does his own thing while those two are on the sidelines with their heads exploding is different than pickens showing up 20 minutes before kickoff and needing baby sat on the sidelines to not throw a tantrum are vastly different..
 
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i love the howard pick though, especially in the 6th. i think it's a very "safe" pick. he has a high floor, maybe not a high ceiling but he can easily be a very good, stable backup qb at worst IMO.
 
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yeah but Rodgers holds more clout than a 3rd year wr who really hasnt done much in the league.


hall of fame QB with super bowl rings comes in and ignores Tomlin and Smith, does his own thing while those two are on the sidelines with their heads exploding is different than pickens showing up 20 minutes before kickoff and needing baby sat on the sidelines to not throw a tantrum are vastly different..
We saw how he elevated the Jets !
Aaron is old and not good anymore
I mean Russell Wilson also has a Super Bowl ring.
He was not even better than. Kenny Pickett ultimately
 
We saw how he elevated the Jets !
Aaron is old and not good anymore
I mean Russell Wilson also has a Super Bowl ring.
He was not even better than. Kenny Pickett ultimately
wish i could debate you on this but yeah, i agree. for the record, i kind of want to roll with Mason and Howard this year.
 
Look, I’ve been pretty vocal here advocating for Kenny. But that was more about his situation here (Canada, Tomlin, no weapons) than it was me saying Kenny had all the tools. What does Kenny have that Howard doesn’t? And vice versa.
Small hands.
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^ Exactly what I am envisioning happening.... 🤣
yeah, it will be a train wreck and we all love train wrecks. as a steeler fan, the season will be pretty mundane, low expectations, low results so give me the train wreck over quietly having a sub par season with no drama..
 
wish i could debate you on this but yeah, i agree. for the record, i kind of want to roll with Mason and Howard this year.
I want to roll with Mason and Howard too.

But that said, I don’t hold anything against a guy coming back from a major injury who happened to be playing for the Jets. That’s a double whammy. He got better as the year went on and admitted to feeling better as each week went by.

He would be a year older, which shouldn’t make a difference since he will be a year further out from the injury. The problem is, playing in the steeler offense won’t make him better. The Steeler offense has been just as incompetent as any bad Jets offense.
 
I want to roll with Mason and Howard too.

But that said, I don’t hold anything against a guy coming back from a major injury who happened to be playing for the Jets. That’s a double whammy. He got better as the year went on and admitted to feeling better as each week went by.

He would be a year older, which shouldn’t make a difference since he will be a year further out from the injury. The problem is, playing in the steeler offense won’t make him better. The Steeler offense has been just as incompetent as any bad Jets offense.
jets had Garrett WIlson, Davante adams last year as a 1/2 combo, we have DK and Calvin Austin. 2015 Aaron Rodgers isnt winning with this WR combo..
 
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jets had Garrett WIlson, Davante adams last year as a 1/2 combo, we have DK and Calvin Austin. 2015 Aaron Rodgers isnt winning with this WR combo..
Bingo

Russ was free last year so it was totally worth the chance .
Rodgers is gonna want like $25mil a year , plus all the psychedelics he can ingest for enlightenment.
 
I mean if the goal is to go something like 1-16 and get the number one pick in next year's draft, then yeah, sure, that would be one way to go about it.
It's a no lose situation. There's no down side. If he's better than expected (like Purdy), your problem is solved. If he's not, then you have a losing record and in a better position to either select or move up and draft a QB.
 
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Look, I’ve been pretty vocal here advocating for Kenny. But that was more about his situation here (Canada, Tomlin, no weapons) than it was me saying Kenny had all the tools. What does Kenny have that Howard doesn’t? And vice versa.
Howard played at OSU against top competition. Kenny played at Pitt against, well, less than top competition. I am big on recruiting or drating individuals, in any sport, who have proven themselves against top competition in their prior gigs. Nothing against Kenny, but we lost several games during the Kenny year against less-than-top competition, games in which he should have been piling up Heisman stats, but struggled instead. Pitt alumni have done well in the pros, including QB’s, but Kenny’s overall performance at Pitt was somewhat uneven. Def not worth first round risk. Still recovering from that boo-boo. Wish him well, but the fact that he is now with possibly the worst run organization in professional sports speaks volumes. He HAS to have a good camp and preseason on a crummy team to save his career. Not impossible, but difficult at best. Go Kenny!
 
Howard played at OSU against top competition. Kenny played at Pitt against, well, less than top competition. I am big on recruiting or drating individuals, in any sport, who have proven themselves against top competition in their prior gigs. Nothing against Kenny, but we lost several games during the Kenny year against less-than-top competition, games in which he should have been piling up Heisman stats, but struggled instead. Pitt alumni have done well in the pros, including QB’s, but Kenny’s overall performance at Pitt was somewhat uneven. Def not worth first round risk. Still recovering from that boo-boo. Wish him well, but the fact that he is now with possibly the worst run organization in professional sports speaks volumes. He HAS to have a good camp and preseason on a crummy team to save his career. Not impossible, but difficult at best. Go Kenny!
You do know that Howard was a transfer to ohio state ?
He played pretty well at Kansas state for 3 years but was always the backup , who got thrust into playing due to injury from the starter there .

I like him as a backup -and glad we drafted him .

But “proving it “ for 1 season on an absolutely stacked roster-is far less impressive than proving it as the starter multiple years , like Kenny was .

You’re being silly .
 
Nothing against Kenny, but we lost several games during the Kenny year against less-than-top competition, games in which he should have been piling up Heisman stats, but struggled instead. Pitt alumni have done well in the pros, including QB’s, but Kenny’s overall performance at Pitt was somewhat uneven. Def not worth first round risk. Still recovering from that boo-boo. Wish him well, but the fact that he is now with possibly the worst run organization in professional sports speaks volumes. He HAS to have a good camp and preseason on a crummy team to save his career. Not impossible, but difficult at best. Go Kenny!
Kenny piled up Heisman-worthy stats even in our 2021 losses to WMU and Miami. He threw for 6 TDs against Western Michigan, and had nearly 40 completions against Miami with an over 70% completion percentage that game for 500+ yards. The problem was ill-timed interceptions he threw in those games, when he could have been the hero if it wasn't for those. But the problem wasn't stats.
 
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You do know that Howard was a transfer to ohio state ?
He played pretty well at Kansas state for 3 years but was always the backup , who got thrust into playing due to injury from the starter there .

I like him as a backup -and glad we drafted him .

But “proving it “ for 1 season on an absolutely stacked roster-is far less impressive than proving it as the starter multiple years , like Kenny was .

You’re being silly .
And the B1G is no different than the ACC when you get beyond the couple of teams at the top.

Howard played in playoff games which is to be acknowledged, but I’m not going to throw a blanket over it and act like Howard played elite teams week in and week out, while Kenny played the little sisters of the poor. That a B1G elitist kind of a take.
 
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And the B1G is no different than the ACC when you get beyond the couple of teams at the top.

Howard played in playoff games which is to be acknowledged, but I’m not going to throw a blanket over it and act like Howard played elite teams week in and week out, while Kenny played the little sisters of the poor. That a B1G elitist kind of a take.
A one season sample size of conference play, in any conference, isn't something to put a ton of stock in IMO. Plenty of one year wonder flameouts all across the CFB landscape.
 
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