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An interview with Swofford below. I pulled out discussion of a possible ACC network as that is what I'm interested in. Overriding theme is if they do go that route, the timing of distribution is key. They can launch earlier and take a financial hit, or wait for the timing to be right and be a success from the start like the SEC network. Also pretty much confirms that while it may not be identical, it will be similar to the SEC network if it goes that route.

http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra/q-a-john-swofford-acc-commissioner/article_de51963f-d09a-533d-b73d-ccae3b9341bd.html


Q: Is the league still considering starting its own ACC network for TV?

A: “We’re in continuous discussions with our television partners on our path. Until we reach a point of having a more definitive path to share with people, you won’t hear much from us about it. … I will say the discussions are productive and going well. It’s an important part of the league’s future, and therefore you want to be very thorough thinking about it. It’s a long-term decision, whatever the path is. You want to get it right. Because you’re also dealing with ever-changing technology.”

Q: How closely do you watch what’s happening with the other college conference’s TV networks?

A: “There’s something to be learned from all of them. The circumstances for each were different, so what you learn from each is different. If you go that route, the timing is very important. Distribution determines the financial implications of it. … The Big 10 really struggled in its early years and met a lot of challenges. But it’s matured and gotten well. The Pac-12 is a totally different approach, and several years into it is struggling. The SEC timed it really well – whether by design or circumstantial – and it’s been the most successful coming out of the chute. Their situation is probably most similar to what ours would be simply because they have the same partner in ESPN.”

Q: Has the ESPN deal been all the league hoped for?

A: “It’s been good for both of us, and that’s the way a partnership should be. It’s certainly worked well for us from an exposure standpoint and from a financial standpoint. And it’s helped them as well from the very beginning. You look back to the days when they were launching ESPN2, and they put a Duke-Carolina basketball game on ESPN2 to entice people to subscribe.”
 
I have to agree with Swervin - back in the BE days you could watch BE 7 and 9 PM hoops games on most nights - definitely Mondays and Wednesdays and that was when they only had 2 or 3 channel options. Now we get Big Monday 7 PM (one game) and then maybe Wednesday and a couple on Saturdays if we're lucky. I never remember seeing so many Big 12 or SEC games as there are now. I get things change and that having to use other platforms to watch games isn't the end of the world for committed fans, but casual viewers aren't going to those extremes. I think the lack of visibility hurts the conference and makes it frustrating when channel surfing looking for any ACC games. JMO.
 
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I have to agree with Swervin - back in the BE days you could watch BE 7 and 9 PM hoops games on most nights - definitely Mondays and Wednesdays and that was when they only had 2 or 3 channel options. Now we get Big Monday 7 PM (one game) and then maybe Wednesday and a couple on Saturdays if we're lucky. I never remember seeing so many Big 12 or SEC games as there are now. I get things change and that having to use other platforms to watch games isn't the end of the world for committed fans, but casual viewers aren't going to those extremes. I think the lack of visibility hurts the conference and makes it frustrating when channel surfing looking for any ACC games. JMO.

A lot of that has to do with the syndication package as well with Raycom, Fox channels (or in Pgh Root sports) and some of the big games being sold to CBS.

Those games are also going out to a mass group of people with a much further reach as well.

I'm looking at this Saturday and the ACC has the 6:30 and 8:30 ESPN game and the 2:00 ESPN 2 game. As well as having multiple other games on Root.
 
A lot of that has to do with the syndication package as well with Raycom, Fox channels (or in Pgh Root sports) and some of the big games being sold to CBS.

Those games are also going out to a mass group of people with a much further reach as well.

I'm looking at this Saturday and the ACC has the 6:30 and 8:30 ESPN game and the 2:00 ESPN 2 game. As well as having multiple other games on Root.
The BE when we were in it would have had wall-to-wall games on all day. Just the way it is. I believe the ESPN commitments to other conferences now is altering this more than the syndication deals.
 
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The BE when we were in it would have had wall-to-wall games on all day. Just the way it is. I believe the ESPN commitments to other conferences now is altering this more than the syndication deals.

ESPN is all in with the ACC and vice versa. Very similar to the SEC minus the CBS deal.

I'd have to look back and see how the Big East was structured. I don't remember wall to wall coverage, but I could most certainly be wrong.
 
ESPN is all in with the ACC and vice versa. Very similar to the SEC minus the CBS deal.

I'd have to look back and see how the Big East was structured. I don't remember wall to wall coverage, but I could most certainly be wrong.
I'll be interested if you do find any info. Maybe my memories are skewed, but I think there are way more SEC and Big12 game on ESPN now than in the 2000's. It just seemed like there was a BE game on (or multiple) almost every night, plus on Saturdays.
 
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I'll be interested if you do find any info. Maybe my memories are skewed, but I think there are way more SEC and Big12 game on ESPN now than in the 2000's. It just seemed like there was a BE game on (or multiple) almost every night, plus on Saturdays.
no, your memory is correct. Big east hoops was ridiculous, never had issues with coverage, ever..
 
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Here is the rest of the week on CBS, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU:

ACC - Wed (7:00 ESPN2), TH (no games scheduled), F (no games scheduled), Sat (12 CBS, 2 ESPN 2, 6:30 ESPN, 8:30 ESPN)

Big XII - Wed (7:00 ESPNU), Th (no games scheduled), F (9:00 ESPN), Sat (2 ESPN, 4 ESPN)

SEC - Wed (no games scheduled), Th (7:00 ESPN2), F (no games scheduled), Sat ( 12 ESPN2, 2 CBS, 4 ESPN2)

BIG - Wed (no games scheduled), Th (7 ESPN, 9 ESPNU), F (no games scheduled) Sat (12 ESPN) I think I'm missing a CBS game in there

PAC 12 - Wed (9 ESPN2, 11 ESPNU), Th (9 ESPN), Fri (no games scheduled), Sat (4 CBS, 8 ESPN2, 9:30 ESPN2)

I think that is pretty spread out and balanced.

ACC has the syndication deal, Big XII and Pac 12 have FOX alternate, BIG has BTN and SEC has SECN for other games.
 
It seems to me that Fox I has really been showing the new big east games every night of the week with the pac 12 sprinkled in. It will be interesting to see what ESPN does when the big ten contract comes up from all indications fox sports wants it. If that happens you might see ESPN accelerate the ACC Network
 
Here is the rest of the week on CBS, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU:

ACC - Wed (7:00 ESPN2), TH (no games scheduled), F (no games scheduled), Sat (12 CBS, 2 ESPN 2, 6:30 ESPN, 8:30 ESPN)

Big XII - Wed (7:00 ESPNU), Th (no games scheduled), F (9:00 ESPN), Sat (2 ESPN, 4 ESPN)

SEC - Wed (no games scheduled), Th (7:00 ESPN2), F (no games scheduled), Sat ( 12 ESPN2, 2 CBS, 4 ESPN2)

BIG - Wed (no games scheduled), Th (7 ESPN, 9 ESPNU), F (no games scheduled) Sat (12 ESPN) I think I'm missing a CBS game in there

PAC 12 - Wed (9 ESPN2, 11 ESPNU), Th (9 ESPN), Fri (no games scheduled), Sat (4 CBS, 8 ESPN2, 9:30 ESPN2)

I think that is pretty spread out and balanced.

ACC has the syndication deal, Big XII and Pac 12 have FOX alternate, BIG has BTN and SEC has SECN for other games.
I'm not disputing what it is now - what I'm saying is that back in the 2000's the BE had way more games on ESPN than any other conference, so much greater availability of our own games and other BE brethren. It is totally different now.
 
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I'm not disputing what it is now - what I'm saying is that back in the 2000's the BE had way more games on ESPN than any other conference. It is totally different now.
the more sports networks that are created, the less pitt is on tv..
 
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Is it? Can you explain.
As someone explained on the free board, the number of ACC telecasts on ESPN pales in comparison to the exposure the old BE received on ESPN. When Pitt was in the BE nearly everyone of their match ups with the upper echelon BE teams was on one of the ESPN family of stations. The ACC 's TV deal with ESPN is much more limited and most ACC games are televised by that two bit syndication outfit, Raycom Sports. It is rare that you will see a game syndicated by Raycom on one of the main network affiliates in any major market except in NC. That means the games are normally syndicated to crappy stations like ThisTV and in the absence of the availability of one of those stations, on ESPN 3. The ACC TV situation is a dog's breakfast outside of NC. Hopefully, the conference will wake up and realize they're a national brand and get past this small thinking, southern parochial thinking which is hurting the conference's exposure nationally.
 
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I miss the old days when the Big East was ESPN's best alternative to having to show rodeo and Australian rules football.
 
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Dodd of CBS mentioned in a B12 article the ACC going to pass B12 shortly.
Could be a ACCN? or the rumored increased rights fees if no ACCN?. Also supposed to be 'look in' windows? by espn every 5 yrs which would be 2017?

As for Swoff, he's been saying same thing for a while now. After thinking ACCN was for sure, I'm slipping back. He does have a UNC buddy at espn in charge of developing conf networks though.
 
When Pitt was in the BE nearly everyone of their match ups with the upper echelon BE teams was on one of the ESPN family of stations.


Because Pitt was also one of the "big dogs" in the conference. This year Pitt was picked to finish in 10th in the league. Why does it surprise people that ESPN would rather show teams predicted to finish at the top of the league like Duke, North Carolina and Louisville rather than teams picked to finish in the middle (or at the bottom of the pack)? Wake doesn't get nearly as many ESPN games as Duke. Boston College doesn't get nearly as many ESPN games as Syracuse. North Carolina State doesn't get as many ESPN games as North Carolina. Virginia Tech doesn't get nearly as many ESPN games as Virginia.

If ESPN thought that Pitt was going to be a top ACC team this year then Pitt would be on ESPN more often. It really isn't that hard to understand.
 
Because Pitt was also one of the "big dogs" in the conference. This year Pitt was picked to finish in 10th in the league. Why does it surprise people that ESPN would rather show teams predicted to finish at the top of the league like Duke, North Carolina and Louisville rather than teams picked to finish in the middle (or at the bottom of the pack)? Wake doesn't get nearly as many ESPN games as Duke. Boston College doesn't get nearly as many ESPN games as Syracuse. North Carolina State doesn't get as many ESPN games as North Carolina. Virginia Tech doesn't get nearly as many ESPN games as Virginia.

If ESPN thought that Pitt was going to be a top ACC team this year then Pitt would be on ESPN more often. It really isn't that hard to understand.
The ACC big dogs aren't on the ESPN channels much either.
 
I'm sorry, I guess many of you forgot the days when those of us north of Allegheny County couldn't watch MANY games because they were on some fuzzy-azz Comcast channel somewhere.
 
The ACC big dogs aren't on the ESPN channels much either.


Duke has 24 games this season on an ESPN channel (and two more on CBS). That is more games on an ESPN channel than Pitt ever had in the heyday of the Big East, and it isn't even close. North Carolina has 22 games on an ESPN channel this season (and also has two more on CBS). Again, way more than Pitt or any other Big East team got back in the day. Virginia has 21 (and one). By way of comparison, in our last season in the Big East we had 14 (and one). In our next to last season in the Big East we had 16 (and two).

In short, the ACC big dogs are on the ESPN channels much more frequently than we (or any other Big East teams) were back in the Big East days. The problem is that back then we were one of the Big East big dogs, so we got (relative to the rest of the league) lots of ESPN love. In the ACC, in a season where we were picked to finish 10th in the preseason poll, we don't get nearly as much.
 
Duke has 24 games this season on an ESPN channel (and two more on CBS). That is more games on an ESPN channel than Pitt ever had in the heyday of the Big East, and it isn't even close. North Carolina has 22 games on an ESPN channel this season (and also has two more on CBS). Again, way more than Pitt or any other Big East team got back in the day. Virginia has 21 (and one). By way of comparison, in our last season in the Big East we had 14 (and one). In our next to last season in the Big East we had 16 (and two).

In short, the ACC big dogs are on the ESPN channels much more frequently than we (or any other Big East teams) were back in the Big East days. The problem is that back then we were one of the Big East big dogs, so we got (relative to the rest of the league) lots of ESPN love. In the ACC, in a season where we were picked to finish 10th in the preseason poll, we don't get nearly as much.
Joe, just curious about the stats to back up the numbers about Duke and UNC vs. Pitt or "any BE team back in the day"? Not saying you are wrong, but just curious what the actual numbers are. And I think some of what others have pointed out still stands - it's all well and good that the "big dogs" in the ACC this year are on so much, but our point was that the total # of BE games on ESPN, ESPN2 (and ESPNU when it was an option) when we were a BE member was greater vs. the total number of ACC games now. And maybe that's wrong - maybe it's just perception but honestly I remember that mostly any night of the week I could turn on ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU and there were BE games televised, 7 and/or 9. To the naked eye, it seems there are many more B1G, SEC and Big12 conference games on than 10 years ago.
 
Duke has 24 games this season on an ESPN channel (and two more on CBS). That is more games on an ESPN channel than Pitt ever had in the heyday of the Big East, and it isn't even close. North Carolina has 22 games on an ESPN channel this season (and also has two more on CBS). Again, way more than Pitt or any other Big East team got back in the day. Virginia has 21 (and one). By way of comparison, in our last season in the Big East we had 14 (and one). In our next to last season in the Big East we had 16 (and two).

In short, the ACC big dogs are on the ESPN channels much more frequently than we (or any other Big East teams) were back in the Big East days. The problem is that back then we were one of the Big East big dogs, so we got (relative to the rest of the league) lots of ESPN love. In the ACC, in a season where we were picked to finish 10th in the preseason poll, we don't get nearly as much.
Interesting numbers. ACC exposure amounts to exposure for Duke and NC and that's about it.
 
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Interesting numbers. ACC exposure amounts to exposure for Duke and NC and that's about it.

And UVA, and I'd like to see the numbers for Louisville because they have been on a ton.

Just like anytime there is a BIG game it's Indiana, Maryland, Michigan St, or Pac game it's Oregon, UCLA, or SEC it's mainly Kentucky and Big XII is Kansas.

Those are the brands that draw the viewers.
 
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An interview with Swofford below. I pulled out discussion of a possible ACC network as that is what I'm interested in. Overriding theme is if they do go that route, the timing of distribution is key. They can launch earlier and take a financial hit, or wait for the timing to be right and be a success from the start like the SEC network. Also pretty much confirms that while it may not be identical, it will be similar to the SEC network if it goes that route.

http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra/q-a-john-swofford-acc-commissioner/article_de51963f-d09a-533d-b73d-ccae3b9341bd.html


Q: Is the league still considering starting its own ACC network for TV?

A: “We’re in continuous discussions with our television partners on our path. Until we reach a point of having a more definitive path to share with people, you won’t hear much from us about it. … I will say the discussions are productive and going well. It’s an important part of the league’s future, and therefore you want to be very thorough thinking about it. It’s a long-term decision, whatever the path is. You want to get it right. Because you’re also dealing with ever-changing technology.”

Q: How closely do you watch what’s happening with the other college conference’s TV networks?

A: “There’s something to be learned from all of them. The circumstances for each were different, so what you learn from each is different. If you go that route, the timing is very important. Distribution determines the financial implications of it. … The Big 10 really struggled in its early years and met a lot of challenges. But it’s matured and gotten well. The Pac-12 is a totally different approach, and several years into it is struggling. The SEC timed it really well – whether by design or circumstantial – and it’s been the most successful coming out of the chute. Their situation is probably most similar to what ours would be simply because they have the same partner in ESPN.”

Q: Has the ESPN deal been all the league hoped for?

A: “It’s been good for both of us, and that’s the way a partnership should be. It’s certainly worked well for us from an exposure standpoint and from a financial standpoint. And it’s helped them as well from the very beginning. You look back to the days when they were launching ESPN2, and they put a Duke-Carolina basketball game on ESPN2 to entice people to subscribe.”

My thoughts are that ESPN is currently trying to negotiate carriage with the cable companies. They are saying they want $1. The cable companies are saying they'll pay $.50. ESPN is telling this to the ACC and that they can do the channel but not pay the ACC much.....or wait to try to get a better deal with from the cable companies.

Remember, ACC has to buyback the Raycom games, so that will be a significant cost. So, that adds to the break-even.

I think it will happen but the ACC needs it more than ESPN so ESPN is waiting till the time is right or trying to leverage their way to a better deal for ESPN.
 
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My thoughts are that ESPN is currently trying to negotiate carriage with the cable companies. They are saying they want $1. The cable companies are saying they'll pay $.50. ESPN is telling this to the ACC and that they can do the channel but not pay the ACC much.....or wait to try to get a better deal with from the cable companies.

Remember, ACC has to buyback the Raycom games, so that will be a significant cost. So, that adds to the break-even.

I think it will happen but the ACC needs it more than ESPN so ESPN is waiting till the time is right or trying to leverage their way to a better deal for ESPN.

I don't even think they are negotiating right now, or it is really high level. What made the SECN successful from launch is that it coincided with the renegotiation of the main ESPN channels with the major cable providers, so ESPN was able to leverage adding a channel.

ESPN can push the channel now with little leverage, like you said, or wait until their main channels are back up for carriage renegotiation and have some leverage to get a better rate.

Like Swofford said in there, it's all timing. The Pac is doing things piecemeal. The LHN had no leverage. The BTN had to fight it out, but eventually did well. But the PAC, LHN and BTN lost upfront money while the SECN was profitable out the gate. Mainly due to timing when you push the distribution out.
 
You have never seen those? You set it and it turns the antenna until you get a desired signal....
My brother had one of those in the 60s. State of the art at the time. by the time the antenna rotated to where you got a good picture the damn show was over.
 
Dear ACC,

Less Cackalacky
More Other Areas

I think this is part of the problem. The problem with these ubersized leagues, there is less opportunities to fill a slot. We were always on in the Big East. Even though the Big East was bloated, let's face it, USF, DePaul, Seton Hall and Providence had few games on. Pitt vs most anyone was marquee for a long period of time.

Still, this is the ACC. You would have thought they had better broadcast outlets. It still looks like Cletus and Jim Bob (the Southern version of Wayne and Garth) on a local access channel in between Bojangles and Boiled Peanut commercials. It is still Cackalacky centric. It hasn't changed.

And yes, I watched it through ESPN3. I love some of these new age/new media types defending this method as somehow it is superior to typical broadcast methods (such as ESPN or networks) by talking about HDMI cables and such.

Last night, this "new" broadcast outlet was completely old school. I felt like I was watching Pitt/Duquesne on WPGH 53 in the old Eastern 8 on a 1977 Sylvania Console TV, the picture at times was that bad. It was so fuzzy at times, I couldn't read the graphics. That is progress to some.

To yinz, I call you "the Settlers".
 
I don't even think they are negotiating right now, or it is really high level. What made the SECN successful from launch is that it coincided with the renegotiation of the main ESPN channels with the major cable providers, so ESPN was able to leverage adding a channel.

ESPN can push the channel now with little leverage, like you said, or wait until their main channels are back up for carriage renegotiation and have some leverage to get a better rate.

Like Swofford said in there, it's all timing. The Pac is doing things piecemeal. The LHN had no leverage. The BTN had to fight it out, but eventually did well. But the PAC, LHN and BTN lost upfront money while the SECN was profitable out the gate. Mainly due to timing when you push the distribution out.

Yea, so ESPN is telling them they can have a network tomorrow but the ACC wont make any money because carriage rates are low or they can wait until their other channels are back up and they can lump them in to get the ACC a better deal.
 
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