The Dishonesty of Charter Schools

[pittbb80]

Heard a piece on Fox this morning raving about the success of Charter Schools. And while the data may support the statement that charter schools perform better than Public schools, as the saying goes, statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

There is no disputing that in General Charter schools do better. However, what everyone overlooks is Charter schools essentially get to hand pick the students and parents. When you can prescreen the students and pick only those who are totally committed to learning, of course your'e going to have more success.

Public schools have to take anyone and everyone and dont have the luxury of hand picking students. They also have to follow state and federal laws on education, which Charter schools dont have to.

The key factor in the success of any school is what happens outside the classroom, not in the classroom.

 

[NTOP]

Heard a piece on Fox this morning raving about the success of Charter Schools. And while the data may support the statement that charter schools perform better than Public schools, as the saying goes, statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

There is no disputing that in General Charter schools do better. However, what everyone overlooks is Charter schools essentially get to hand pick the students and parents. When you can prescreen the students and pick only those who are totally committed to learning, of course your'e going to have more success.

Public schools have to take anyone and everyone and dont have the luxury of hand picking students. They also have to follow state and federal laws on education, which Charter schools dont have to.

The key factor in the success of any school is what happens outside the classroom, not in the classroom.

Charter schools have to meet the same standards. In PA, Charter schools are supervised & financed by the local districts. Unfortunately, the big city honchos are totally controlled by the same union teachers that perform pretty badly, then control the Boards. See: Philly, Pgh, HBG, Erie, etc. Charters are given to "friendly" operators. Might even be a kickback or two.
Time to ban ALL public employee unions.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Heard a piece on Fox this morning raving about the success of Charter Schools. And while the data may support the statement that charter schools perform better than Public schools, as the saying goes, statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

There is no disputing that in General Charter schools do better. However, what everyone overlooks is Charter schools essentially get to hand pick the students and parents. When you can prescreen the students and pick only those who are totally committed to learning, of course your'e going to have more success.

Public schools have to take anyone and everyone and dont have the luxury of hand picking students. They also have to follow state and federal laws on education, which Charter schools dont have to.

The key factor in the success of any school is what happens outside the classroom, not in the classroom.

Not sure they always get to pick students. One study showed that the kids that entered a charter school lottery did far better than those that did not. Winning or losing the lottery had no impact.

I can say that different kids will do better in different environments. Giving lower middle class and poor kids options can be a great thing, IMO.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Heard a piece on Fox this morning raving about the success of Charter Schools. And while the data may support the statement that charter schools perform better than Public schools, as the saying goes, statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

There is no disputing that in General Charter schools do better. However, what everyone overlooks is Charter schools essentially get to hand pick the students and parents. When you can prescreen the students and pick only those who are totally committed to learning, of course your'e going to have more success.

Public schools have to take anyone and everyone and dont have the luxury of hand picking students. They also have to follow state and federal laws on education, which Charter schools dont have to.

The key factor in the success of any school is what happens outside the classroom, not in the classroom.

The real issue is they bleed tax revenue from local districts.

Say for instance - less funding for Pittsburgh Sci-Tech because of City Charter.

I'm not opposed to the concept- but it's better to improve the public school locally .

 

[pittbb80]

The real issue is they bleed tax revenue from local districts.

Say for instance - less funding for Pittsburgh Sci-Tech because of City Charter.

I'm not opposed to the concept- but it's better to improve the public school locally .

Agreed. And they do choose students whose parents are "involved". They dont just have a blind lottery. They also can do many things in education that public schools cannot.

The reality is, the quality of the student is directly related to his home life stability and the support he gets from his parents. Diverting money to charter schools and or dumping money into public schools is NOT going to solve the problems associated with kids growing up with crappy parents who dont provide the kind of environment or support needed to succeed. The ONLY way to give those kids a chance is to send them to boarding schools to get them out of the environment they live in and give them the support they need.

 

[pittbb80]

Not sure they always get to pick students. One study showed that the kids that entered a charter school lottery did far better than those that did not. Winning or losing the lottery had no impact.

I can say that different kids will do better in different environments. Giving lower middle class and poor kids options can be a great thing, IMO.

Uh they do. If the parents are not involved and supporting the kid they get kicked out.

You are not solving the core issues by skimming of the best students/parents from a school district and diverting those funds.

 

[NTOP]

Agreed. And they do choose students whose parents are "involved". They dont just have a blind lottery. They also can do many things in education that public schools cannot.

The reality is, the quality of the student is directly related to his home life stability and the support he gets from his parents. Diverting money to charter schools and or dumping money into public schools is NOT going to solve the problems associated with kids growing up with crappy parents who dont provide the kind of environment or support needed to succeed. The ONLY way to give those kids a chance is to send them to boarding schools to get them out of the environment they live in and give them the support they need.

Do you understand that the district hires those schools?? Do you understand that cronyism dictates who gets a charter? Do you understand that the district RETAINS 15-20% of the taxes for "administrative" burdens....for kids not inside their buildings. There have been lotteries used to determine who goes to the charter schools?
Charter have only a small edge.....but private schools, if tax-funded, would crush most city schools....they already do. Take all the wasted $$$ from the union-monopoly and invest them in vouchers for use at any certified school. Competition improves all results.
Whose fault is it that the parents aren't engaged?? 3 full generations of welfare slavery has demolished family values. So, let's send the kids off to boarding schools? Just wasting more trillions.....and parents would have to approve that.....ain't happening, sport. And poor rural districts are not much better, though they don't spend as much as city schools.

 

[pittbb80]

Do you understand that the district hires those schools?? Do you understand that cronyism dictates who gets a charter? Do you understand that the district RETAINS 15-20% of the taxes for "administrative" burdens....for kids not inside their buildings. There have been lotteries used to determine who goes to the charter schools?
Charter have only a small edge.....but private schools, if tax-funded, would crush most city schools....they already do. Take all the wasted $$$ from the union-monopoly and invest them in vouchers for use at any certified school. Competition improves all results.
Whose fault is it that the parents aren't engaged?? 3 full generations of welfare slavery has demolished family values. So, let's send the kids off to boarding schools? Just wasting more trillions.....and parents would have to approve that.....ain't happening, sport. And poor rural districts are not much better, though they don't spend as much as city schools.

Let public schools hand select the kids whose parents are engaged and support them like private (through the cost of the school) and charter schools do and they;d have the same results. Most public schools get a bad rap.

If you were to look at the cost of a boarding school versus the cost of high crime, perpetual welfare, etc associated with these kids dropping out of school and failing to get a proper education and I think you'd get a high return on investment. Simply providing vouchers for parents who dont give two shits about a kids education is NOT going to solve the problem with education.

 

[pittbb80]

.....and parents would have to approve that.....ain't happening, sport.


I dont disagree with that. However I do think it would solve the problem. As an aside, for parents to send their kids to this kind of school, they'd have to give up their welfare check. IT would be interesting to see how many of these parents value their kids future.

 

[NTOP]

Let public schools hand select the kids whose parents are engaged and support them like private (through the cost of the school) and charter schools do and they;d have the same results. Most public schools get a bad rap.

If you were to look at the cost of a boarding school versus the cost of high crime, perpetual welfare, etc associated with these kids dropping out of school and failing to get a proper education and I think you'd get a high return on investment. Simply providing vouchers for parents who dont give two shits about a kids education is NOT going to solve the problem with education.

What planet do you inhabit?? NEVER give ANY governmental body the right to make an objective decision like that.....NEVER. Would you take input from one of the dog-faced teachers who have affairs with 13-year old boys? The union organizer whose main job is patronage?? The school board Daddy who wants to fire the FB coach?? The soccer Mom who likes serving Gatorade to little kids?? Why does Pgh spend 50% more per pupil than Mt. Lebo, USC, NA or P-R, with a larger enrollment?
Handpicking those who get the better schools...what a fine way to improve results. Hell, pay the 50% extra to bus the kids with engaged parents to the burbs, shut down the rest of the operation and let the other kids run wild. Liberal elitists.....eugenics follows shortly??

 

[BPKY]

Let public schools hand select the kids whose parents are engaged and support them like private (through the cost of the school) and charter schools do and they;d have the same results. Most public schools get a bad rap.

If you were to look at the cost of a boarding school versus the cost of high crime, perpetual welfare, etc associated with these kids dropping out of school and failing to get a proper education and I think you'd get a high return on investment. Simply providing vouchers for parents who dont give two shits about a kids education is NOT going to solve the problem with education.

80, my man, it sounds like you want to solve a problem for people who don't think there is a problem....or don't care enough to address it.

If public schools could pick...there would be no public schools. Until people face that fact, nothing will change.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Let public schools hand select the kids whose parents are engaged and support them like private (through the cost of the school) and charter schools do and they;d have the same results. Most public schools get a bad rap.

If you were to look at the cost of a boarding school versus the cost of high crime, perpetual welfare, etc associated with these kids dropping out of school and failing to get a proper education and I think you'd get a high return on investment. Simply providing vouchers for parents who dont give two shits about a kids education is NOT going to solve the problem with education.

Be very careful to not to paint with a broad brush. Lincoln Park - charter - isn't taking away 'top' students. They are taking away kids that would go to CAPA - public, picks students - if they lived in the city.

It really isn't about better or worse for me. It is about options. A big diverse public school served me very well. However, that doesn't make it a great fit for all kids. If I had a magic wand, I would make the state one school system and try to give as many options as possible. Would bus up to xx miles from all homes.

 

[pittbb80]

What planet do you inhabit?? NEVER give ANY governmental body the right to make an objective decision like that.....NEVER. Would you take input from one of the dog-faced teachers who have affairs with 13-year old boys? The union organizer whose main job is patronage?? The school board Daddy who wants to fire the FB coach?? The soccer Mom who likes serving Gatorade to little kids?? Why does Pgh spend 50% more per pupil than Mt. Lebo, USC, NA or P-R, with a larger enrollment?
Handpicking those who get the better schools...what a fine way to improve results. Hell, pay the 50% extra to bus the kids with engaged parents to the burbs, shut down the rest of the operation and let the other kids run wild. Liberal elitists.....eugenics follows shortly??

You totally missed my point which was Public schools are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They are only as good as the kids and parents they are REQUIRED to serve. The dont get to pass on kids/parents who care less about education.

Didnt mean to trigger you............LOL J/k

 

[pittbb80]

Be very careful to not to paint with a broad brush. Lincoln Park - charter - isn't taking away 'top' students. They are taking away kids that would go to CAPA - public, picks students - if they lived in the city.

It really isn't about better or worse for me. It is about options. A big diverse public school served me very well. However, that doesn't make it a great fit for all kids. If I had a magic wand, I would make the state one school system and try to give as many options as possible. Would bus up to xx miles from all homes.

My point is, you can give a kid/parent the choice of going to upper saint claire, or any other charter/private school but as long as that kid goes home to the same environment the "quality of the school" will have little to no affect on 95% of those kids. Conversely, take a kid who his highly motivated and has parents who support him in a great environment at home and hed still succeed, regardless of where he went.

Again school choice and school quality have little to do with failing Public schools. People act as if school choice is the silver bullet to solving the education problem in the country. Its not. The problem is the kids family environment.

 

[NTOP]

You totally missed my point which was Public schools are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They are only as good as the kids and parents they are REQUIRED to serve. The dont get to pass on kids/parents who care less about education.

Didnt mean to trigger you............LOL J/k

We keep falling further behind other developed nations.......why?

 

[pittbb80]

We keep falling further behind other developed nations.......why?

Sure as heck isnt the boogie man in the room the public school system.

Also I'd ask by what measure.......average test scores? Pretty sure the US is still the most innovative country in the world, even though the Chinese out test the US.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Be very careful to not to paint with a broad brush. Lincoln Park - charter - isn't taking away 'top' students. They are taking away kids that would go to CAPA - public, picks students - if they lived in the city.

It really isn't about better or worse for me. It is about options. A big diverse public school served me very well. However, that doesn't make it a great fit for all kids. If I had a magic wand, I would make the state one school system and try to give as many options as possible. Would bus up to xx miles from all homes.

Capa is a magnet that students have to audition to be admitted ...not a fair comparison.
Likewise, Obama requires testing into the language programs.

I'm thrilled with our magnet , Dilworth , so far- which is a pure lottery.

Of course - parents intersted enough to fill out the forms and put their kids into the lottery- are involved enough their kid will likely succeed.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

We keep falling further behind other developed nations.......why?

By what measures??

 

[PeetWeet1]

Capa is a magnet that students have to audition to be admitted ...not a fair comparison.
Likewise, Obama requires testing into the language programs.

I'm thrilled with our magnet , Dilworth , so far- which is a pure lottery.

Of course - parents intersted enough to fill out the forms and put their kids into the lottery- are involved enough their kid will likely succeed.

Perfect comparison. CAPA = public with admission. Lincoln Park = magnet with admission. I agree that magnets are overrated and public schools are underrated. Just know that my two kids have two different needs. Suspect many others do as well. Just ot a fan of one size fits all.

Glad you like Dilworth.

 

[paulbl99]

By what measures??

Many measures

Lazy teachers protected by arcane union rules ,

Lazy parents.
Single parent rearing one or more kid after getting knocked up and dad abstains from responsibility.

 

[NTOP]

Sure as heck isnt the boogie man in the room the public school system.

Also I'd ask by what measure.......average test scores? Pretty sure the US is still the most innovative country in the world, even though the Chinese out test the US.

27th worldwide?? The public school system IS failing us.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Heard a piece on Fox this morning raving about the success of Charter Schools. And while the data may support the statement that charter schools perform better than Public schools, as the saying goes, statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

There is no disputing that in General Charter schools do better. However, what everyone overlooks is Charter schools essentially get to hand pick the students and parents. When you can prescreen the students and pick only those who are totally committed to learning, of course your'e going to have more success.

Public schools have to take anyone and everyone and dont have the luxury of hand picking students. They also have to follow state and federal laws on education, which Charter schools dont have to.

The key factor in the success of any school is what happens outside the classroom, not in the classroom.

Right. On the same note, test scores are higher in Upper St. Clair than in Clairton. This proves beyond any doubt that the teachers are better at USC. I mean the stats dont lie.

 

[NTOP]

Right. On the same note, test scores are higher in Upper St. Clair than in Clairton. This proves beyond any doubt that the teachers are better at USC. I mean the stats dont lie.

You obviously killed it at Belle Vernon.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Perfect comparison. CAPA = public with admission. Lincoln Park = magnet with admission. I agree that magnets are overrated and public schools are underrated. Just know that my two kids have two different needs. Suspect many others do as well. Just ot a fan of one size fits all.

Glad you like Dilworth.

I certainly aren't looking down my nose, peet..
Hope you didn't misunderstand.

Ours just started kindergarten.
Under no illusions that we have a gameplan for the long term.
Couple of our neighborhood kids are gifted and go to and enjoying Obama.

We are digging being able to walk to school... wouldn't mind keeping it up, and the scores are soaring .

The schools are catching up to the neighborhood.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Charter schools have to meet the same standards. In PA, Charter schools are supervised & financed by the local districts. Unfortunately, the big city honchos are totally controlled by the same union teachers that perform pretty badly, then control the Boards. See: Philly, Pgh, HBG, Erie, etc. Charters are given to "friendly" operators. Might even be a kickback or two.
Time to ban ALL public employee unions.

It sounds like you have an issue with the quality of teachers educating children. What incentives would you put in place to attract good, young teachers? How would you protect the good teachers from powerful parents that want to bully the teacher into giving their child an A or simply do not like teacher and have an agenda against them? Similar to how some parents act towards coaches.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

It sounds like you have an issue with the quality of teachers educating children. What incentives would you put in place to attract good, young teachers? How would you protect the good teachers from powerful parents that want to bully the teacher into giving their child an A or simply do not like teacher and have an agenda against them? Similar to how some parents act towards coaches.

Getting my popcorn ready

 

[NTOP]

It sounds like you have an issue with the quality of teachers educating children. What incentives would you put in place to attract good, young teachers? How would you protect the good teachers from powerful parents that want to bully the teacher into giving their child an A or simply do not like teacher and have an agenda against them? Similar to how some parents act towards coaches.

Gee, I guess the unions don't protect them very much?? The unions have encouraged teachers to not get their hands dirty, or be involved in the kids; lives. And the administrators and boards have been cowering in submission, or worse, collusion, with the unions under threat of a picket line.
As for incentives, there are none. My belief is that competition breeds improvement, the current monopoly impedes it. Teachers that perform well keep their jobs, those that don't lose them to other, better schools.
Teachers who care about the kids stand up to bullies. My youngest taught for 2 years in a Native village in Alaska.....stood up to bullying parents and racial discrimination....hint, she's white.....got good support from the principal her first year. A new principal in year 2 just avoided any "issue", so she did it herself. Loved her kids, did her best. Most teachers are fine...but the corrupt monopoly needs to be held accountable.
Pgh's school board has 9 members....7 are either current or retired union teachers....blatant conflict of interest. The results aren't good.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Gee, I guess the unions don't protect them very much?? The unions have encouraged teachers to not get their hands dirty, or be involved in the kids; lives. And the administrators and boards have been cowering in submission, or worse, collusion, with the unions under threat of a picket line.
As for incentives, there are none. My belief is that competition breeds improvement, the current monopoly impedes it. Teachers that perform well keep their jobs, those that don't lose them to other, better schools.
Teachers who care about the kids stand up to bullies. My youngest taught for 2 years in a Native village in Alaska.....stood up to bullying parents and racial discrimination....hint, she's white.....got good support from the principal her first year. A new principal in year 2 just avoided any "issue", so she did it herself. Loved her kids, did her best. Most teachers are fine...but the corrupt monopoly needs to be held accountable.
Pgh's school board has 9 members....7 are either current or retired union teachers....blatant conflict of interest. The results aren't good.

Sounds like your actual issue is with inept adminstators.

But , you can't help but grind your political ax

 

[shrugginatlas]

Heard a piece on Fox this morning raving about the success of Charter Schools. And while the data may support the statement that charter schools perform better than Public schools, as the saying goes, statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

There is no disputing that in General Charter schools do better. However, what everyone overlooks is Charter schools essentially get to hand pick the students and parents. When you can prescreen the students and pick only those who are totally committed to learning, of course your'e going to have more success.

Public schools have to take anyone and everyone and dont have the luxury of hand picking students. They also have to follow state and federal laws on education, which Charter schools dont have to.

The key factor in the success of any school is what happens outside the classroom, not in the classroom.

This is not true. There once was a cottage industry (in the academic sense of the word) in demonstrating the effectiveness of charter schools even when the students were chosen via a lottery. I say "there once" because it is no longer a cottage industry---it's an industry.

So, yes, there are selection effects for most charter schools, but the best scholarship avoids these problems. And, in the absence of such problems, we're left with a simple, interpretable, powerful statement: character schools cause better performance.

 

[PeetWeet1]

I certainly aren't looking down my nose, peet..
Hope you didn't misunderstand.

Ours just started kindergarten.
Under no illusions that we have a gameplan for the long term.
Couple of our neighborhood kids are gifted and go to and enjoying Obama.

We are digging being able to walk to school... wouldn't mind keeping it up, and the scores are soaring .

The schools are catching up to the neighborhood.

No worries, definitely didn't think you were. Main difference for mine has nothing to do with academics, and everything to do with a mile wide gap in emotional intelligence. One can read a situationa and manipulate it to get just about whatever she wants if teachers aren't careful. The other could witness a car bomb going off and not look up from her book.

A couple of younger kids box with my 13 year old. Both are quite young go to Obama and their favorite thing to do is read. Didn't realize it was a gifted school, but it makes sense now.

PS I am having a hard time understanding how teaching kids became an R vs. D issue. The 3Rs + recess ought not be partisan issues.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

No worries, definitely didn't think you were. Main difference for mine has nothing to do with academics, and everything to do with a mile wide gap in emotional intelligence. One can read a situationa and manipulate it to get just about whatever she wants if teachers aren't careful. The other could witness a car bomb going off and not look up from her book.

A couple of younger kids box with my 13 year old. Both are quite young go to Obama and their favorite thing to do is read. Didn't realize it was a gifted school, but it makes sense now.

PS I am having a hard time understanding how teaching kids became an R vs. D issue. The 3Rs + recess ought not be partisan issues.

It shouldn't be.

Some people can't help themselves

 

[DiehardPanther]

Gee, I guess the unions don't protect them very much?? The unions have encouraged teachers to not get their hands dirty, or be involved in the kids; lives. And the administrators and boards have been cowering in submission, or worse, collusion, with the unions under threat of a picket line.
As for incentives, there are none. My belief is that competition breeds improvement, the current monopoly impedes it. Teachers that perform well keep their jobs, those that don't lose them to other, better schools.
Teachers who care about the kids stand up to bullies. My youngest taught for 2 years in a Native village in Alaska.....stood up to bullying parents and racial discrimination....hint, she's white.....got good support from the principal her first year. A new principal in year 2 just avoided any "issue", so she did it herself. Loved her kids, did her best. Most teachers are fine...but the corrupt monopoly needs to be held accountable.
Pgh's school board has 9 members....7 are either current or retired union teachers....blatant conflict of interest. The results aren't good.

So your plan to attract good, young teachers is to tell them they are going to make 30k a year, and have no protection against crazy parents. Well...that plan is flawless. I am sure quality teachers will be lining up out the door.

 

[The Zeke]

So your plan to attract good, young teachers is to tell them they are going to make 30k a year, and have no protection against crazy parents. Well...that plan is flawless. I am sure quality teachers will be lining up out the door.

Where does a teacher make 30 K per year?

 

[The Zeke]

So your plan to attract good, young teachers is to tell them they are going to make 30k a year, and have no protection against crazy parents. Well...that plan is flawless. I am sure quality teachers will be lining up out the door.

From an article on newsworks.org...."So now, Pennsylvania ranks ninth for starting teacher salaries, and about the same for an overall salary average of $63,521. Factor in cost-of-living, and Pennsylvania teachers salaries might look even a little better — since some of the higher salary states tend to be considerably more expensive to live in."

 

[DiehardPanther]

Where does a teacher make 30 K per year?

Private/Charter Schools

 

[DiehardPanther]

From an article on newsworks.org...."So now, Pennsylvania ranks ninth for starting teacher salaries, and about the same for an overall salary average of $63,521. Factor in cost-of-living, and Pennsylvania teachers salaries might look even a little better — since some of the higher salary states tend to be considerably more expensive to live in."

You need to reread all the posts because I was addressing a specific poster. Feel free to answer the questions I asked him.

 

[The Zeke]

You need to reread all the posts because I was addressing a specific poster. Feel free to answer the questions I asked him.

He wasn't talking charter schools skippy. You might need to reread the post as well. There isn't an issue with teachers pay at charter schools.

 

[DiehardPanther]

He wasn't talking charter schools skippy. You might need to reread the post as well. There isn't an issue with teachers pay at charter schools.

He is insisting that getting rid of teacher unions will help fix the problem with public schools. Ok, fine. The unions are gone. Teacher salaries will be lowered, there won't be any large pay steps anymore for teachers, nobody to protect good teachers from whack job parents, and the current pension system will be gone.

What incentives would you put in place to attract good, young teachers? How would you protect the good teachers from powerful parents that want to bully the teacher into giving their child an A or simply do not like the teacher and have an agenda against them? Similar to how some parents act towards coaches.

 

[paulbl99]

He is insisting that getting rid of teacher unions will help fix the problem with public schools. Ok, fine. The unions are gone. Teacher salaries will be lowered, there won't be any large pay steps anymore for teachers, nobody to protect good teachers from whack job parents, and the current pension system will be gone.

What incentives would you put in place to attract good, young teachers? How would you protect the good teachers from powerful parents that want to bully the teacher into giving their child an A or simply do not like the teacher and have an agenda against them? Similar to how some parents act towards coaches.

Unions gone from public schools.
That would be a bingo.

The pensions in PA at least are absolutely unsustainable and at some point have to come back to reality.

As for giving As...I'd stop giving grades altogether and just pass or fail them.
Force colleges or whatever to decide based on rigorous exams and life experience achievements.

Then when these bullying parents have the kiddies at home &!flipping burgers because they didn't really learn sh!t and can't get into college then........

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Unions gone from public schools.
That would be a bingo.

The pensions in PA at least are absolutely unsustainable and at some point have to come back to reality.

As for giving As...I'd stop giving grades altogether and just pass or fail them.
Force colleges or whatever to decide based on rigorous exams and life experience achievements.

Then when these bullying parents have the kiddies at home &!flipping burgers because they didn't really learn sh!t and can't get into college then........

You missed his point and ignored his question,