Pitt could possibly run that table. We really have a lot of talent at offensive line with kids from Fla-NJ-and Pa stepping in. We are really going to be OK all around.
The football schedule says to me that
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Funny, recent history tells me Pitt will be 6 - 6. 2 Comments:. Hope Springs Eternal and we'll see.
I'm less concerned with the OL than I am with the QB.
Morrissey, Hargrove, and Houy will be fine. I'd like to see Drake and Warren battle it out for the other tackle spot and leave Van Lynne at TE. Brown and Ford battle it out for the other OG position.
RB, someone always steps up. When is the last time Pitt hasn't had a good back?
WR, they'll be good enough, but not game changers.
QB is the biggest question mark and can kill your season. Whipple is an experienced qb coach, hopefully he can work magic on KP. I personally don't have much faith in KP and see another 6-6 type year.
Morrissey, Hargrove, and Houy will be fine. I'd like to see Drake and Warren battle it out for the other tackle spot and leave Van Lynne at TE. Brown and Ford battle it out for the other OG position.
RB, someone always steps up. When is the last time Pitt hasn't had a good back?
WR, they'll be good enough, but not game changers.
QB is the biggest question mark and can kill your season. Whipple is an experienced qb coach, hopefully he can work magic on KP. I personally don't have much faith in KP and see another 6-6 type year.
Well we will probably find out if last year's problem was the OC, or was it the QB? This year should answer that.
It was 100% the OC... Kenny will look like a different player and prove the haters wrong.
It says 8-9 wins to me. They need to go 6-1 at home.
[QUOTEvenattheturn, post: 2579420, member: 4632"]Pitt could possibly run that table. We really have a lot of talent at offensive line with kids from Fla-NJ-and Pa stepping in. We are really going to be OK all around.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTEvenattheturn, post: 2579420, member: 4632"]Pitt could possibly run that table. We really have a lot of talent at offensive line with kids from Fla-NJ-and Pa stepping in. We are really going to be OK all around.[/QUOTE]
We literally have no idea what we have at qb. Can anyone say for sure that we have a P5 caliber qb on this roster? I can’t.
We might, watson could have been so bad that he destroyed Pickett. That’s a possibility But it’s also possible that pic it is exactly what we saw last year
We might, watson could have been so bad that he destroyed Pickett. That’s a possibility But it’s also possible that pic it is exactly what we saw last year
Exactly. I don’t remember anyone over-the-top bashing Pickett. He didn’t play well and needs to get much better.
ah, kids who have been Pitt fans for twelve minutes and have not been scarred by their history for decades...so cute, and so refreshing...(either that or a Pitt fan who has been one for decades now entering the final stages of dementia)
People who hate 8 yards passing a game are haters I guess. If so, Put my name on top of that list is a hater
A P5 caliber QB is a lower bar than most people think, simply because there are over 60 P5 teams and not all of those QBs are any good. What killed us last year was the scheme that did not help a developing QB, WR routes that didn't help the receivers get open, a bad pass-blocking oline that gave our young QB PTSD by mid season, and predictable play calling that allowed opposing defenses to guess every play and get pressure faster.
We can fix a lot of those things going into next year without changing the starting QB, and it looks like the new OC's scheme can accomplish a lot of it. I don't think the problems we saw with Pickett this year were very different from the problems we saw with Tino for his first two years, and Chryst was able to build a system his third year that minimized his weaknesses and allowed him to put up surprising numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if Whipple could do the same.
Pitt fans treatment towards Pickett has been ridiculously nice when you compare it to his on field performance.
We bashed Tino ten fold on here and he’s performed a thousand times better than Pickett.
Was it stull’s dad that couldn’t go to home games anymore cause pitt fans? Imagine if stull had put up performances like Pickett did. Stull’s poor old man would be in jail for man slaughter. Pickett has gotten the golden treatment and honestly, I have no idea why.
Lower the bar? We hit a 7 yard post pattern against Notre Dame on third down and this board celebrated in unison like we all lost our virginity to the homecoming queen.
I will agree with you that the OC did not put him in the best posisiton, but you are giving Pickette too much leeway for the bad play. Yes there were breakdowns in protection and total jailbreaks sometimes. Most of the time it was just one defender and he couldn't avoid the 1 defender and throw. In other words he didn't help his OL much either. He also locked into one WR way too much and refused to look for other open options. He needs to improve his play or someone else needs to step up.
Honestly, if you knew nothing about the program and the associated failures and neuroses and specific individuals involved, you probably would legitimately see a chance for a big season looking at the schedule. Why not? Only PSU and UCF look really dubious.
But if you know that is Pitt and the history and aura of mediocrity that engulfs the program, and more importantly the latest characters involved, i think you would immediately reassess. It is really not about the opponent but about us.
QB is the most critical position.
The starting QB appears dubious. Seems to have tools and personality. But psyche appears to have been shattered in the PS game and never recovered.
Other programs, just move on to the next guy. We have multiple 3 or more star QBs on the roster after all.
Other programs, who are coming off a year with a really bad QB, or one who has graduated ... honestly assess who is the best guy in spring; pick the winner on merit (don't blindly anoint the previous guy); adjust the offense during the summer somewhat to fit the guy's strengths. Usually that produces effective results. At least what I know of football, and what I see with other teams ... the best teams, at that ... every week anyway.
Playing time at the top position has to be earned, not anointed based on one inspirational win in a game two years ago.
We have a new OC, yes, but I still don't have the slightest confidence in the anointed QB, or that a fair honest objective assessment will be performed.
So a lot is riding on what Pickett is truly capable of, and how much was Watson's fault.
But if you know that is Pitt and the history and aura of mediocrity that engulfs the program, and more importantly the latest characters involved, i think you would immediately reassess. It is really not about the opponent but about us.
QB is the most critical position.
The starting QB appears dubious. Seems to have tools and personality. But psyche appears to have been shattered in the PS game and never recovered.
Other programs, just move on to the next guy. We have multiple 3 or more star QBs on the roster after all.
Other programs, who are coming off a year with a really bad QB, or one who has graduated ... honestly assess who is the best guy in spring; pick the winner on merit (don't blindly anoint the previous guy); adjust the offense during the summer somewhat to fit the guy's strengths. Usually that produces effective results. At least what I know of football, and what I see with other teams ... the best teams, at that ... every week anyway.
Playing time at the top position has to be earned, not anointed based on one inspirational win in a game two years ago.
We have a new OC, yes, but I still don't have the slightest confidence in the anointed QB, or that a fair honest objective assessment will be performed.
So a lot is riding on what Pickett is truly capable of, and how much was Watson's fault.
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. My point is more that it's tough to judge how fit he will be for the job in the future based on this past year with all those other factors thrown in. They shouldn't have any commitment to him as a starter after spring ball. If anyone outplays him consistently in those practices, they need to move in another direction.
Pickett has admirable qualities, says and looks the part, willing to run and truck defenders over. "He's like Palko" is a refrain offen heard. And we liked Palko. We earnestly want this guy to be The One. And that extends to Narduzzi. He can't see past the things that are likable about the guy to seriously question and honestly assess if he really is salvageable.
Unfortunately I see too many more comparisons to Sunseri than Palko. And no, some decent completion percentage numbers and low picks in a senior season didn't make Sunseri a worthwhile QB. His tenure was a total waste of everyone's time.
I'm too old, and increasingly impatient with constant .500 years, to sit through two Sunseri-like seasons with this guy, just because the coach likes that he will try to run over linebackers.
188 330 57.0 2356 7.1 6.3 9 10 119.9
180 310 58.1 1969 6.4 6.3 12 6 120.3
223 346 64.5 2572 7.4 7.2 16 9 137.0
Let's look into the way, way back machine. Tino and Stull had the advantage of playing in the BE verses the ACC w/ a ridiculous OOC slate.
Does that really look 10 times better to you? You are lying if you say yes.
180 310 58.1 1969 6.4 6.3 12 6 120.3
223 346 64.5 2572 7.4 7.2 16 9 137.0
Let's look into the way, way back machine. Tino and Stull had the advantage of playing in the BE verses the ACC w/ a ridiculous OOC slate.
Does that really look 10 times better to you? You are lying if you say yes.
Worse, it was never attempted again, in that game, or really any others, until the Wake freaking Forest game like two months later. Then never again after that. I do recall an attempt that resembled that in the bowl, but it was thrown so far behind Mack it was tough to really know for sure.
Tino also had 3 HC and 4 different OC's all with different systems 1 of them a horrible fit for his skill set in his time here. Basically that was a tough ask of anyone.
It was attempted several times, they were incomplete or Pickett checked down and screwed up the read.
Actually was tried again in that Notre Dame game on a crucial third down play in 4th quarter. Same exact play and ironically enough, the same safety blitz which opened up the post to Matthews perfectly. But Pickett panicked, threw it to Hall for a loss and we had to punt.
Ok. So the million dollar question is, who was at fault. Firing Watson suggests it was him. Let's hope the new guy can fix it. Or they'll be willing to play the QB who is capable of doing it, even if he doesn't 'swag' as well as Pickett.
can it be that Watson wasnt' a very good OC and pickett played poorly as well? I mean, it cant be a little bit of both with a sprinkle of poor pass protection thrown in there as well. why does it have to be 100% on one thing and everyone else is free of blame?
I don't think that's how the real world works.. I agree with your last line though. The new OC has to be able to play the qb who is capable of making simple reads.. the new OC has no allegiance to any player or incoming recruit so everyone should be, SHOULD BE on equal footing with regards to the QB Battle.
Let the best man win..
No it doesn't, but one guy is gone and the other has been anointed Da Man by the head coach (which at Pitt usually means he's entrenched until death or graduation). So we're left to hope the new OC can work wonders.
Honestly, it's 9 wins or it's time to sh*t-can Narduzzi - 5 years in I think it's time to get to 9 or we should start looking elsewhere.
Narduzzi needs to learn the most important attribute of a head coach is delegating responsibility and trusting your coordinators to make these decisions.
I'm not sold on it being all Watson's fault. KP was throwing slants into the ground against Stanford. Like Zelda says, I'm sure it falls on both. But, if the QB can't hit a slant consistently, there isn't a lot to be optimistic about with KP.
Well that was my thought too. I suppose that's hate-speak, per above. So label me a hater, if need be. Remember: you can hate the sin, but love the sinner! Unless you're at Penn State, where you just all agree the sin never happened.
Question is, and it obviously can't be answered here, QB is a real, serious deficiency; can the new coach and the player combine to rectify it? Otherwise predicting victory numbers is folly.
This schedule says to me we finally need to win our OOC games because it’s not as grueling of a schedule as usual. If we can win the division again while adding in a winning OOC record it will be looked at as a much better season. If Pickett can improve under Whipple’s toutilege I think it’s very, very doable.
Because they don't think he has the ability to succeed, when he clearly does to anyone who understands football.
Insults aren't necessary. The doubters have a full season plus of real, mostly negative game experience to base that concern on. As far as I can tell, those with the opposite view have the bootleg in the Miami game 2 years ago and the td pass to Mack at Wake Forest game to base their optimism on. Both end up being opinions, though. No need to get hostile on the other.
facts? you said: "Because they don't think he has the ability to succeed, when he clearly does to anyone who understands football."
that's a fact?
If you're honest with yourself, it's easy to imagine Pitt being 2-3 heading in to rest of conference play and we know that there are always one or two really stupid losses that happen there. I'll stick with the 6-8 wins until I see evidence to the contrary. It's possible for an outlier scenario but I don't see it. Sorry.
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fair enough. I too, think he has the physical tools to play. kid looks like an athlete. just needs to learn how to play the position mentally, learn how to not run into the pressure, ease up a bit on short passes, put air under deep passes and make the right reads..
he does that, your opinion will be fact.. we are all rooting for him..
While neither may occur, Pitt is more likely to lose the opener than go 12-0. A lot of talent on the OL? Want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn for ten bucks?
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