Don't worry, I'm putting you on ignore too.
Seriously who isn't on ignore by this guy? Why come on here if you ignore 80% of the board? Oh that is right you won't see this because I'm on ignore.
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Don't worry, I'm putting you on ignore too.
He get's his panties in a wad when people call him out. He thinks he's the only one that knows anything about PittSeriously who isn't on ignore by this guy? Why come on here if you ignore 80% of the board? Oh that is right you won't see this because I'm on ignore.
Just another nugget to show that Pitt has no intention of being big time in football.
It's only called "cheating" to give the charade that this isn't cutthroat professional sports... far more cutthroat than the "real" professional sports.All I will say is that if you are so willing to cheat to win at college sports, it says a lot about your individual character.
Not stealing donations is stuffy?
You're a man without integrity. It's just sad.
I think you are missing his point.
You are an owner of a business and that clueless? Do you even make money? That's called a F ing thief! Golden Panthers were good people, hard working not thieves. Apples and oranges
Golden Panthers I know would bust their assss for Pitt, most were 100% legit. Most Theives are not part of strong supporting alums
You are an owner of a business and that clueless? Do you even make money? That's called a F ing thief! Golden Panthers were good people, hard working not thieves. Apples and oranges
Golden Panthers I know would bust their assss for Pitt, most were 100% legit. Most Theives are not part of strong supporting alums
Maybe the Golden Panthers embezzling money was a mistake.
The Golden Panthers were generally a huge boost to Pitt athletics and were green lighted by Cas Myslinski and John Majors. They were integral in fund raising back in the last golden age of Pitt football. They effectively engaged big alumni booster and local big donors.No self respecting PITT alum is advocating "cheating" to improve our athletic programs. The Golden Panthers were more about organizing and mobilizing the alumni community. They made it a point to work with coaches and to open up recruiting networks prior to the "internet".
Crazy Paco is pushing a narrative that he determined caused the University to step in and eliminate the Golden Panthers...and to a point he is correct. But long term, the dissolution of the Golden Panthers has hurt all the athletic programs.
I think Corporate Panther explained that the Golden Panthers could reform but it would be more "select" in membership and influence. The everyday functions of fundraising should stay within the confines of the University. The progressive movement of a reformed Golden Panthers would work indirectly with Coaches and with friends of the program who are like minded.
In the 80s it was corrupt and mismanaged. By the 90s it was disorganized and completely ineffectual. It had become an indisputable failure at fundraising. It was rightly ended and relaunched under the university as to maintain its image and integrity as a professional fundraising arm of the university. Some people don't like when their fiefdoms go away and show themselves to be more interested in self than interested in helping what they claim to support.
You mix a lot of facts with fiction. The Golden Panthers was the name of a University of Pittsburgh fundraising arm/booster organization. The head of the GP, an University employee, ultimately resigned in 1990, and paid restitution to the University [not a dollar of donated money was lost]. There is not a shred of public facts or documents that suggests the organization was in any way corrupt...other than the head, who was a University employee. After Heddleston resigned, you are right, the fundraising had become inept and incredibly disorganized [which may also be attributed to the Chancellor and the downgrading of athletic priorities at the time--not to mention some really bad football teams].
Rather than attempt to fix or reorganize, Steve blew it up when he arrived in 1997. He formed Team Pittsburgh at the time...but it was largely a name, not a real organization with events, meetings or fund raising functions. Pitt needs, as do all Division I universities, an active booster club. Whatever the name may be, and frankly, Golden Panthers was a great name, you will likely see something similar come to pass under AD Lyke. Hail to Pitt!
Dixon hung himself because he couldn’t recruit and left town to escape the mess he made. More lies...You don't think big boosters have influence now? What do you think happened to Jamie Dixon?
Money buys influence everywhere. It doesn't matter who is cashing the checks or doing the accounting.
If UNC could manufacturer phantom courses, Pitt can manufacture phantom losses.It's only called "cheating" to give the charade that this isn't cutthroat professional sports... far more cutthroat than the "real" professional sports.
The body supposed to govern and discipline it has gleefully thrown up its arms, doesn't even pretend anymore.
There are way too many examples to cite that prove that it's not only condoned but expected, but the blatant paying 6 figures (at least) to Cam Newton that resulted in a NC for Auburn but absolutely no ramifications ... is probably is near the top. UNCs phony "athletes college" is next. Pitt should not have 3 losses today, because UNC sports teams should be in the middle of their Death Penalty. Somehow we'd likely still find a way to lose to them however...
Pitt is worse than hypocritical about it because the university (along with others like us) should be screaming louder than any school about stopping these things, since we won't engage in it. But Pitt just stays quiet, gets reamed up the rear by the likes of UNC, and cashes the checks.
You know as well as I that any interpretation of Pitt history, whether related to athletics or not, which even tangentially casts a negative light on Nordenberg, compels this poster to aggressively assume a defensive position. Anything he says about the events that transpired during this time period are biased and in many instances completely inaccurate.Not a factually accurate comment. The University employee that headed that organization ran afoul of the law, not the organization itself. Surprised at your imprecision, or do you have an axe to grind? Hail to Pitt!
He did leave of his own volition but Barnes effectively pushed him out.Dixon hung himself because he couldn’t recruit and left town to escape the mess he made. More lies...
Dixon hung himself because he couldn’t recruit and left town to escape the mess he made. More lies...
Right. I was there. I was friends with a whole bunch of players. It was cash from no show jobs...cars from local dealers...nice off campus apartments rent free...food and nice meals without a bill...etc. In other words the same shit that goes on at big schools...Actually the real Golden Panthers , the guys who funneled $$ to the players were more a shadow organization. Meaning the guys that raised money did it among themselves. Cas and Johny were not involved in raising the money. I am assuming they worked with the HC in directing the funds. But they never ever went through Pitt. The money was in the form of cash. The Golden Panther organization which CP refers to was not involved in the direct raising of money to be paid to the players. Players did get paid .Just like at many of our ACC rival schools. I was there . CP was not. I was friends with a GP that was involved from the start. Many of you would know his name. Reality is tough for some of you to deal with. Bagmen do exist. All over college athletics.
Well a National Title helped.The second post above is the truth. Back then, there were the Golden Panthers, and there was also the GOLDEN PANTHERS, if you get my drift. Both flavors existed.
How else would anybody explain why all of a sudden high school All-Americans from the deep South were coming to Pitt in droves?
Correct - and we should go back to doing it.Right. I was there. I was friends with a whole bunch of players. It was cash from no show jobs...cars from local dealers...nice off campus apartments rent free...food and nice meals without a bill...etc. In other words the same shit that goes on at big schools...
Oh.... yea, right...nonsenseHe did leave of his own volition but Barnes effectively pushed him out.
Believe what you want. Everybody here could use a laugh right about nowOh.... yea, right...nonsense
Yeah, right. And, the line of about 30 new Monte Carlos parked outside wherever the Football Training Table was being served was PURELY coincidental. (Sarcasm Font)The second post above is the truth. Back then, there were the Golden Panthers, and there was also the GOLDEN PANTHERS, if you get my drift. Both flavors existed.
How else would anybody explain why all of a sudden high school All-Americans from the deep South were coming to Pitt in droves?
spot on !You know as well as I that any interpretation of Pitt history, whether related to athletics or not, which even tangentially casts a negative light on Nordenberg, compels this poster to aggressively assume a defensive position. Anything he says about the events that transpired during this time period are biased and in many instances completely inaccurate.
Not stealing donations is stuffy?
You're a man without integrity. It's just sad.
Right. I was there. I was friends with a whole bunch of players. It was cash from no show jobs...cars from local dealers...nice off campus apartments rent free...food and nice meals without a bill...etc. In other words the same shit that goes on at big schools...
So cheating? And you’re ok with it?
You mix a lot of facts with fiction. The Golden Panthers was the name of a University of Pittsburgh fundraising arm/booster organization. The head of the GP, an University employee, ultimately resigned in 1990, and paid restitution to the University [not a dollar of donated money was lost]. There is not a shred of public facts or documents that suggests the organization was in any way corrupt...other than the head, who was a University employee. After Heddleston resigned, you are right, the fundraising had become inept and incredibly disorganized [which may also be attributed to the Chancellor and the downgrading of athletic priorities at the time--not to mention some really bad football teams].
Rather than attempt to fix or reorganize, Steve blew it up when he arrived in 1997. He formed Team Pittsburgh at the time...but it was largely a name, not a real organization with events, meetings or fund raising functions. Pitt needs, as do all Division I universities, an active booster club. Whatever the name may be, and frankly, Golden Panthers was a great name, you will likely see something similar come to pass under AD Lyke. Hail to Pitt!
Our family, well, my father specifically, had donations of his that went missing in the Golden Panther records when the Great Bob Heddelston (sp) ran the group.
It was up to him, rather me, to go through my dad's bank records and prove to the Golden Panthers that Dad had indeed been a Golden Panther since the group was founded.
My personal values have nothing to do with the business of College football. You can go f@ck yourself as well. Don't make a statement when you don't even know me ****waddAll I will say is that if you are so willing to cheat to win at college sports, it says a lot about your individual character.