The Steelers Are Lowering The Bar

[BuffetParrothead]

Once upon a time the goal was winning Superbowls.
Not to many years ago the goal was winning the division.
A few years later the goal was to make the playoffs.
Today the goal as stated by many fans and Tomlin is having a winning season and morale victories (new Orleans) which he Tomlin spoke about after the Bengals game.

Once you start lowering the bar as the Steelers are it'll be difficult to reestablish excellence.

Today Tomlin said he was proud of the team going to to toe with New Orleans (Mike we lost) and having a winning record.

As the hosts of The Fan said today so now Tomlin and the Steelers are happy with Morale Victories.
The Fan hosts went on to say this was an epic collapse being 7-2 and leading the division not to long ago.They said this would be like a mlb team blowing a 20 game lead.

Incompetents love Lowering The Bar since the low goal setting matches their talent level.

This is perfect for Tomlin and his low level staff.

 

[Pitt79]

It's not Tomlin's fault, the Rooneys are the enablers, they are corporate shills who put other things above winning.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Once upon a time the goal was winning Superbowls.
Not to many years ago the goal was winning the division.
A few years later the goal was to make the playoffs.
Today the goal as stated by many fans and Tomlin is having a winning season and morale victories (new Orleans) which he Tomlin spoke about after the Bengals game.

Once you start lowering the bar as the Steelers are it'll be difficult to reestablish excellence.

Today Tomlin said he was proud of the team going to to toe with New Orleans (Mike we lost) and having a winning record.

As the hosts of The Fan said today so now Tomlin and the Steelers are happy with Morale Victories.
The Fan hosts went on to say this was an epic collapse being 7-2 and leading the division not to long ago.They said this would be like a mlb team blowing a 20 game lead.

Incompetents love Lowering The Bar since the low goal setting matches their talent level.

This is perfect for Tomlin and his low level staff.

Do you think John Harbaugh is a good coach? Who would you hire as the Steelers HC?

 

[UptownPrivileges]

So now the Steelers & the Rooney’s are happy with a pretty pink participation ribbon. How I wish the Ravens would come in and do the Steelers draft.

 

[pittdan77]

So now the Steelers & the Rooney’s are happy with a pretty pink participation ribbon. How I wish the Ravens would come in and do the Steelers draft.

Buffet read another thread and started this one. I don't think anyone is saying the outcome of this season is okay.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Do you think John Harbaugh is a good coach? Who would you hire as the Steelers HC?

When you or an organization has the outlook "we're terrible and we're afraid to make a change" you or that organization is a loser and on the way down which is actually happening.
Look at the Steelers playoff record recently.

 

[Jakey_John]

That kind of sucks but it’s not surprising. A lot of us expected that this franchise was on the decline and here we are. It’s probably going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[Pitt79]

Do you think John Harbaugh is a good coach? Who would you hire as the Steelers HC?

Someone like the Rams coach, a 30 something offensive minded mad scientist. Tomlin was a NOTHING and a NOBODY when he was hired, doesn't have to be anybody established.

 

[DiehardPanther]

When you or an organization has the outlook "we're terrible and we're afraid to make a change" you or that organization is a loser and on the way down which is actually happening.
Look at the Steelers playoff record recently.

You did not answer the questions.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Buffet read another thread and started this one. I don't think anyone is saying the outcome of this season is okay.

No Buffett did this .
I listened to The Fan and they are all in to the Steelers lowering the bar and standards , and Tomlin needs to step up his performance.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Buffet read another thread and started this one. I don't think anyone is saying the outcome of this season is okay.

He’s not good at picking up nuance and sarcasm

 

[BuffetParrothead]

You did not answer the questions.

You losers use deflecting questions like that to confuse the issue.
It's not my job to select a new coach.
That's the Rooneys job.
Their franchise is on the decline, their on the field leader's performance is also on the decline and a change is requured.
It's clear Tomlin is failing

 

[pittdan77]

You losers use deflecting questions like that to confuse the issue.
It's not my job to select a new coach.
That's the Rooneys job.
Their franchise is on the decline, their on the field leader's performance is also on the decline and a change is requured.
It's clear Tomlin is failing

No, you started a pointless new thread when we already have one.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

He’s not good at picking up nuance and sarcasm

Just presenting the facts.
Actually at our beach casino with little time to read a free message board.
Just enough time for this brilliant post.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Just presenting the facts.
Actually at our beach casino with little time to read a free message board.
Just enough time for this brilliant post.

Of course.

 

[DiehardPanther]

You losers use deflecting questions like that to confuse the issue.
It's not my job to select a new coach.
That's the Rooneys job.
Their franchise is on the decline, their on the field leader's performance is also on the decline and a change is requured.
It's clear Tomlin is failing

The Steelers have had 3 head coaches over the last 50 years. They are one of the most successful franchises in all of sports. I put my trust in them rather than irrational fans.

Tomlin has a .660 winning %, Super Bowl ring, is only 46 years old, and has never had a losing season.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The Steelers have had 3 head coaches over the last 50 years. They are one of the most successful franchises in all of sports.

The past is the past/history.
Things aren't going well in the present.
Stay tuned to this channel things are slowly changing for the Steelers.
The dinosaurs were dominant until they decided to not change.

I have to laugh the posters in this thread are the people who lobby for Tomlin in every anti Tomlin post.Just because its Tomlin.
The usual suspect ?-Who would you hire?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The past is the past/history.
Things aren't going well in the present.
Stay tuned to this channel things are slowly changing for the Steelers.
The dinosaurs were dominant until they decided to not change.

I have to laugh the posters in this thread are the people who lobby for Tomlin in every anti Tomlin post.Just because its Tomlin.
The usual suspect ?-Who would you hire?

Same ones who have no short list of good coaches -but know tomlin is a problem.

Usual suspects

 

[Jakey_John]

The Steelers have had 3 head coaches over the last 50 years. They are one of the most successful franchises in all of sports. I put my trust in them rather than irrational fans.

Tomlin has a .660 winning %, Super Bowl ring, is only 46 years old, and has never had a losing season.

Stats are terrific when you don’t include the context around them. The Super Bowl won is inarguabe but it was a decade ago. However, .660% is not that great. That’s the equivalent of being satisfied with Pitt being 8-4 every year without considering any of the circumstances. Why is not having a losing season such a success? I get that it’s hard to but what does it amount to?

You keep asking who the Steelers should replace Tomlin with. I’m not necessarily sure he needs fired but he certainly needs a better supporting cast. He needs to take that step next and if that’s not the answer then you look to replace him. A guy from the Belichek coaching tree, like a Mike Vrabel is certainly a decent option.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Stats are terrific when you don’t include the context around them. The Super Bowl won is inarguabe but it was a decade ago. However, .660% is not that great. That’s the equivalent of being satisfied with Pitt being 8-4 every year without considering any of the circumstances. Why is not having a losing season such a success? I get that it’s hard to but what does it amount to?

You keep asking who the Steelers should replace Tomlin with. I’m not necessarily sure he needs fired but he certainly needs a better supporting cast. He needs to take that step next and if that’s not the answer then you look to replace him. A guy from the Belichek coaching tree, like a Mike Vrabel is certainly a decent option.

Chuck Noll - .572 winning %
Bill Cowher - .622 winning %
Mike Tomlin - .660 winning %

 

[FireballZ]

Chuck Noll - .572 winning %
Bill Cowher - .622 winning %
Mike Tomlin - .660 winning %

As an outsider, winning 66% of your games (10-6 average) when your division has included basically 3.5 - 4 gimmie wins a season (Browns and Bengals) for the past decade isn't all that wonderful.

 

[Jakey_John]

Chuck Noll- 4 Super Bowls
Bill Cowher- 1 Super Bowl, several AFC championships (he underachieved in this regard too, especially 2001)

You proved my point for me. Is Noll remembered for his regular season body of work?

 

[JS School]

Chuck Noll - .572 winning %
Bill Cowher - .622 winning %
Mike Tomlin - .660 winning %

Sure, but Cowher did it with Noll's players.

I think that's how the argument goes.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Chuck Noll - .572 winning %
Bill Cowher - .622 winning %
Mike Tomlin - .660 winning %

So what.
Those guys aren't here and won't be.
We're talking about today,now!
Stats are just that stats.
It's difficult to judge strength of division and strenght of schedule when you compare coaches records.
Tomlin has been competing in a weak division the past four years, is near the top of the coaching list for losing, division and out of conference games to teams with a .500 or worse record.
His play off win loss record for the last five years is dismal.

Tell your boss I'm marginally better than my predecessors, I'm not getting it done today ,so dont fire me?

Denver just fired their hc after winning a Superbowl a few years ago.

 

[Jakey_John]

Sure, but Cowher did it with Noll's players.

I think that's how the argument goes.

That’s a silly argument and I will never make that claim.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Chuck Noll- 4 Super Bowls
Bill Cowher- 1 Super Bowl, several AFC championships (he underachieved in this regard too, especially 2001)

You proved my point for me. Is Noll remembered for his regular season body of work?

The point is a .660 winning % is very good in the NFL.

Also - The Belicheck Coaching tree has had a ton of failures. Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Al Groh, Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, etc. That has been a losing bet.

 

[Jakey_John]

The point is a .660 winning % is very good in the NFL.

Also - The Belicheck Coaching tree has had a ton of failures. Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Al Groh, Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, etc. That has been a losing bet.

I don’t particularly care to argue the coaching tree because I’m not advocating getting rid of Tomlin yet. You’re right .660 is commendable but it has proven to mean nothing. Tomlin came out of the gate on fire and has gone downhill since.

 

[bayardstreet]

Big Ben is going to get passed up as a top 5-6 QB. The young guys in the league are going to blow by him. By the end of next season the Steelers will be 9-7 at best and #7 will be at the bottom of the top 15 QB’s in the league.

He will be middle of the pack. Old and inconsistent. The Steelers better hope the Okie State fellow can develop into a top flight QB because Cleveland and Baltimore have that already going for them.

I don’t want to debate whether Tomlin should stay or go but I just don’t think Tomlin has improved in the very noticeable areas of clock management, time out usage, replay challenges, final two minute strategy, play calls on 4th and short situations, etc. I hope the big Rooney sees that same because if he doesn’t then it’s okay to mediocre.

 

[maxxwell]

I said this in a thread a few weeks back and still think it is true (and I speak as a non-Steeler fan): the situation with the Steelers and Tomlin is not unlike it was with Pitt and Wanny. Near the end of Wanny's tenure Pitt was winning at a pretty high rate by recent history but it was becoming clear that Wanny was unlikely to take them to the next level. If you're a Steeler fan how much confidence do you have that Tomlin will win another Super Bowl in the Ben Era? As a football fan without emotional attachment, I don't have much and it does seem to be trending in the wrong direction and the AFC North is getting more competitive, not less. Getting a new coach is risky. It can go either way. But the Ben window isn't going to be open forever.

It is largely an academic exercise because Tomlin won't be fired until it's too late for this Era. If you're a Steeler fan you have to hope it "all comes together" next year. Maybe it will.

 

[BFo8]

Sure, but Cowher did it with Noll's players.

I think that's how the argument goes.

Actually the players Noll left Cowher weren’t very good.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Tomlin isn't going anywhere now and is probably safe until Ben retires. This team is on the precipice of becoming the pre-Watson Texans unless they can find the next QB in a hurry.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The point is a .660 winning % is very good in the NFL.

Also - The Belicheck Coaching tree has had a ton of failures. Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Al Groh, Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, etc. That has been a losing bet.

Wow you are just stuck on Tomlin and wouldn't accept anything anti Tomlin which takes you out if the discussion due to lack of objectivity.

So let's say the Steelers go 9-8 and miss the playoffs again next season.
I guess all you Tomlin supporters are all in again.
Wow great another winning season?

That's what I call lowering the bar.

 

[BFo8]

Big Ben is going to get passed up as a top 5-6 QB. The young guys in the league are going to blow by him. By the end of next season the Steelers will be 9-7 at best and #7 will be at the bottom of the top 15 QB’s in the league.

He will be middle of the pack. Old and inconsistent. The Steelers better hope the Okie State fellow can develop into a top flight QB because Cleveland and Baltimore have that already going for them.

I don’t want to debate whether Tomlin should stay or go but I just don’t think Tomlin has improved in the very noticeable areas of clock management, time out usage, replay challenges, final two minute strategy, play calls on 4th and short situations, etc. I hope the big Rooney sees that same because if he doesn’t then it’s okay to mediocre.

He’s already been passed up as a top 5-6 QB. He’s not as good as:

Goff
Brady
Mahomes
Rivers
Luck
Wentz
Wilson
Rodgers
Brees

Guys like Matt Ryan and Deshaun Watson were better this season, Baker Mayfield was good and going to get better. The whole top 5-6 QB thing everyone mentions just isn’t true, we’re not talking career but the here and now. I just don’t think people realize how good some of these other guys are.

 

[Las Panteras]

As an outsider, winning 66% of your games (10-6 average) when your division has included basically 3.5 - 4 gimmie wins a season (Browns and Bengals) for the past decade isn't all that wonderful.

Well,

The Patriots for years could annually count 6 wins from Buffalo, NY Jets and Dolphins in the putrid AFC east

That is simply an excuse and doesnt explain how successful that franchise has been.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

He’s already been passed up as a top 5-6 QB. He’s not as good as:

Goff
Brady
Mahomes
Rivers
Luck
Wentz
Wilson
Rodgers
Brees

Guys like Matt Ryan and Deshaun Watson were better this season, Baker Mayfield was good and going to get better. The whole top 5-6 QB thing everyone mentions just isn’t true, we’re not talking career but the here and now. I just don’t think people realize how good some of these other guys are.

I might even throw late-season/playoff Foles in there.

 

[FireballZ]

Well,

The Patriots for years could annually count 6 wins from Buffalo, NY Jets and Dolphins in the putrid AFC east

That is simply an excuse and doesnt explain how successful that franchise has been.

This is true, but how many Super Bowl appearances do the Pats have in that time? A 66% win percentage is excellent if you're also winning in the playoffs.

 

[Jakey_John]

Big Ben is going to get passed up as a top 5-6 QB. The young guys in the league are going to blow by him. By the end of next season the Steelers will be 9-7 at best and #7 will be at the bottom of the top 15 QB’s in the league.

He will be middle of the pack. Old and inconsistent. The Steelers better hope the Okie State fellow can develop into a top flight QB because Cleveland and Baltimore have that already going for them.

I don’t want to debate whether Tomlin should stay or go but I just don’t think Tomlin has improved in the very noticeable areas of clock management, time out usage, replay challenges, final two minute strategy, play calls on 4th and short situations, etc. I hope the big Rooney sees that same because if he doesn’t then it’s okay to mediocre.

I agree with your thoughts on BR but it’s way too early to predict Jackson and Mayfield will be elite.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Actually the players Noll left Cowher weren’t very good.

They were good, Bill started winning out if the gate.
He brought in a cutting edge defense and brought a power run game identity to the offense.
He also had a more modern balance as a coach between task master and player coach.
That is Tomlins chink, he is mostly a players coach, had his best success with the normative system/players from cowher, he has brought no innovation to the offensive or defensive systems, and allowed the organziation to become insular.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Just presenting the facts.
Actually at our beach casino with little time to read a free message board.
Just enough time for this brilliant post.

OK, Mr. International Man of Mystery.

 

[rmf05]

The bar hasn't changed. Its a press conference answer which means it isn't worth listening to. Is there anything more useless than an NFL coach's press conference. Before Bill Parcells, maybe you could get info in one of them but since the 90's they are mind numbing.