Don't get me wrong. You're a bulldog, much like Poker and SMF. I mean that in a good way. Love your insight. You're a reason I tolerate the free board.
The Twins……
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Hahaha. EJ Borghetti said something similar a few sundays ago regarding how he loved my Twitter.
I think we have a bet they'll be NBA dudes at some point... I'm not saying they're gone after this year. No chance. Give them a couple of years to pack on weight.
as for minutes in the ACC.. moot point in any draft argument. Pat Williams and Scottie Barnes played 20 min a game and were top 4 picks back to back years.... to clarify, I'm not saying these kids are top 4 picks.. I'm not saying they're getting drafted next year. Not even close to that yet.
I’m on record saying they have a ton of potential. But the talk of them leaving for pro’s or another school are silly
Really why would they leave ?
1) As freshman they’re seeing PT .
2) They’ve developed strong relationships with their teammates, coaches and fans
3) They realize they’re areas in their games that need to be addressed for their development
4) No ones offering ,at least as of now , any appreciable NIL money to sway them to leave
5) They’re playing for a winner and the future looks promising
They’re going nowhere !
1) As freshman they’re seeing PT .
2) They’ve developed strong relationships with their teammates, coaches and fans
3) They realize they’re areas in their games that need to be addressed for their development
4) No ones offering ,at least as of now , any appreciable NIL money to sway them to leave
5) They’re playing for a winner and the future looks promising
They’re going nowhere !
Holy hell. The rapture is nigh. The golf doctor made a coherent, intelligent post
saying you have as good a shot at the NBA as them isn't saying they have "a ton of potential" ... it's actually the opposite.
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Plus they are a package deal making it even more likely they will stay Panthers .... and why not PITTsburgh is pretty cool to most crappy college towns!
I think they have a ton of potential to be really good college players. I don’t think they’ll ever step foot in the NBA. Not mutually exclusivesaying you have as good a shot at the NBA as them isn't saying they have "a ton of potential" ... it's actually the opposite.
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The examples of guys coming off the bench at FSU aren’t close to comparable. They were known, scouted players in HS.
I think they could become like Levon Kendell.
but they are mutually exclusive when you're talking about two kids that are 7' tall and have their quickness/athleticism. If you think they're good enough to be really good college players, they will absolutely get a look at the NBA. That's not even a question...we aren't talking some 6' guard that in year 5 will be solid player... these guys have the mold, they just need refinement and weight..
they already have good touch and dribbling skills for their size and age... the grown up version of them is two kids that are thicker, can shoot lights out, and can move really well.. both 7' tall.. that's their version of being really good.. that is absolutely NBA material.
as for the FSU guys... it had nothing to do with scouting or who they are... your point was the twins don't get min... my point was that it doesn't matter if you play 15 min or 35 min, if you're good, you'll get your chance and get noticed.
maybe that's all they become, but that's not anywhere near the "really good" category. Levon was very, very , very average. Like very average.
I think they have a much higher ceiling.
It absolutely has to do with scouting. Scottie Barnes played on the best AAU teams and in the geico nationals etc. everyone knew who he was. Him accepting a role and playing it an elite way for a team that advanced far only cemented what he could bring to an NBA team.
There’s tons of guys who are big that are really good college players that don’t play in the NBA. There’s a better than average chance the twins don’t ever come close to their potential, as is the case with most bigs.
you said they have potential to be really good college players... to me, that's all conference type of player. Really good is two top players on a team.. so what's your definition of their ceiling?
who are some 7' bigs that move well and shoot well that aren't in the NBA? you said there a ton of guys, so I'm just curious... I don't know of any. 7' bigs that move like them, and are "really good" will touch the NBA floor 99% of the time.
I'm not arguing whether or not they'll hit their ceiling.. don't change the discussion now...
also, if Barnes didn't play on a top AAU team and just played highschool ball, I'd bet he'd still be a top 5 lottery pick playing the same min at FSU.
One twin has hit 10 out of his last 10 free throws. Another has hit 4 out of 7 last 3s. For 7 footers the NBA would take a chance. I’m not saying they would be a lottery pick or make it, but the fundamentals are there for potential. I mean why not go the Champ route and not get drafted but still get a decent contract.
Eh. There are only so many roster sports to go around, and these guys are 7 feet tall, not 8. There are plenty of guys around that height and general skill set who did well in college but weren't quite NBA-caliber. Whether these guys will or won't be, I don't know. But it's hardly as rare as you're making it out to be.
It was after the Louisville game was well in hand, but I was surprised at how quickly and decisively Jorge's drives to the rim were. He looked good getting there but appears to need some work finishing. Am looking forward to their development and think they're going to be great contributors here.
who??? we're not talking 7' plodders that can't shoot... these are 7' kids that can run the floor very well, can dribble, and can shoot.. have such a high ceiling with their shooting... so who are these guys that do all of this and aren't in the NBA? I don't know of any...
Yes and they can still declare for draft, not be drafted, and get a contract like JC. It’s very low risk for an NBA team given their age and size. Now using a lottery pick or even 1st/2nd would be highly risky, but kudos to them that this is even be debated.
Okay, how about the aforementioned Kevin Pittsnogle? Dude was making $9,000/year playing for the Pittsburgh Xplosion after averaging 19.3/game and being First Team All Big East.
There are 7 footers who are agile and can shoot threes in EuroLeague...a lot of them are guys who played a year or two in the NBA but had a hard time getting playing time so they went to Europe, presumably for similar money. Mike Tobey, Miroslav Raduljica, Johannes Voigtmann, Dimitrios Agravanis. Yes I had to look up how to spell their names.
Either way, playing for Real Madrid or the Portland Trailblazers for big money seems entirely possible for our twins.
Either way, playing for Real Madrid or the Portland Trailblazers for big money seems entirely possible for our twins.
I’ve been on their bandwagon from the beginning …..have you ?
Jorge's ceiling is maybe like Luke Kornet of Stallings/Vandy who had a cup of coffee in the NBA. Really good college player.
Jorge and his brother need to add a lot of muscle, really improve their lateral quickness for defense, must shoot near 40-42 percent in college, and develop a mid range shot. And learn to pick and roll up top and off dribble drive handoffs.
That’s a crap load of things for them to improve even for scouts to take notice for the nba and they will need all the eligibility at Pitt they can get for all that development.
That’s a crap load of things for them to improve even for scouts to take notice for the nba and they will need all the eligibility at Pitt they can get for all that development.
I can’t think of even a few current NBA players they can develop into with their physical traits even if they can be a stretch 4 three point shooters. And I mean nba players that actually get on the court.
This sentence confused me lol.
Maybe too many weed pills today???
Ok. They won’t play in the NBA. They’re not even close. Not remotely close. Federiko has a better shot of making the NBA, honestly
I do have a comp for Fede and that would be Nic Claxton for the Nets. A shot blocker, rim runner, high effort guy, unselfish. Fede just needs to become a better offensive rebounder and develop a better touch to finish around the basket.
Don’t tell my wife. Or employer
I am saying I just don’t see any comps in the nba for the twins with how they play and their athletic ability.
do you remember watching him play? do you see how well these twins move? the one is a wing. Pittsnogle was a good 260 and didn't move great... but I will say this, if he played today, he'd be on an NBA team. He was before his time. He could stroke it.
The twins aren't centers.
Sometimes I think Wantash knows a little about basketball evaluation. This analysis is not one of those times.
take that stance.. that's fine.. but don't say they have a ton of potential.. you can't seriously believe they can be really good college players but not make the NBA.
That makes a ton of sense. There’s no middle ground between being busts and being NBA players apparently.
This isn’t politics. There is middle ground.
They could develop into really good college players and be 23 years old by the time they go to the draft. I don’t think they’d be drafted at that point, and then it’s a tough road to hoe to get to the NBA.
If they’re about where I think their ceiling is, they’ll make a good living in Spain once their careers are over.
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