This BC/UVa means everything

[Wanstash21]

SVP just jumped Lunardi and said it doesn’t make sense UVA is over Pitt. He said he watches basketball and understands the metrics but Pitt is clearly better. Lunardi didn’t have an answer and actually agreed Pitt wins in a 7 game series.

Now Greenberg is on and defending Pitt. Said they need to be in and can make a run.

National media is confused.

SVp is lobbying HARD right now for Pitt

 

[SteelBowl70]

Disagree. But now compare resumes. You can't spin Pitt's resume to be better.

uVA is 2-7 in Q1, will have a worse SOS after tomorrow and lost to Pitt by 11 on their home court.

Pitt is 4-5 in Q1 and has a higher NET.
UVA is 10-9 in Q1-2 and Pitt is 9-8.
Pitt has 4 Q1 road wins and UVA has 1.

UVA struggled to beat a tired BC team in OT that Pitt and smoked 90-65 at BC 12 days ago.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Disagree. But now compare resumes. You can't spin Pitt's resume to be better.

And the fact UVA finished 3rd in the league is a testament to just how horrible ACC basketball is this year.

But I agree, UVA is garbage.

Huh?

Pitt has 2 more Q1 wins
10 spots higher in NET (tomorrow)
Beat UVa head to head and on the road, to boot

In no universe should UVa be ahead of Pitt.

 

[TD_6082]

UVA struggled to beat a tired BC team in OT that Pitt and smoked 90-65 at BC 12 days ago.

True. But you can do lots of things if you start going there. Pitt struggled to beat a horrible Miami team that UVA destroyed. Pitt lost at Clemson. Pitt lost to Syracuse twice and UVA beat SU easily.

Pitt lost to Mizzou.

 

[SteelBowl70]

Lowe played a total of 30 minutes in the losses to Missouri, Clemson and Syracuse. The last 15 games, Pitt has a top 20 resume.

 

[TD_6082]

Lowe played a total of 30 minutes in the losses to Missouri, Clemson and Syracuse. The last 15 games, Pitt has a top 20 resume.

Do the invite and seed teams based on the entire season or the last 15 games?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Do the invite and seed teams based on the entire season or the last 15 games?

They dont officially consider the end of the season. However, being 12-3 could work slightly in our favor

 

[Atilla Cosby]

BC has scored 4 points in 11 minutes

Yes. Before that happened, I said BC is winning this game. I picked up BC +3.5 live, then I got moneyline +120 when they were winning by 2. They immediately went into a huge scoring drought.

But the Pitt moneyline +120 was all golden today. Tonight's game is +250. If we play well we can win this. Our guys are as confident as they have been all year. Dare I say our trio of guards are playing like a top 10 back court? Imagine this backcourt with Troutman and Chris Taft down low.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

uVA is 2-7 in Q1, will have a worse SOS after tomorrow and lost to Pitt by 11 on their home court.

Pitt is 4-5 in Q1 and has a higher NET.
UVA is 10-9 in Q1-2 and Pitt is 9-8.
Pitt has 4 Q1 road wins and UVA has 1.

UVA struggled to beat a tired BC team in OT that Pitt and smoked 90-65 at BC 12 days ago.

Thank you for this. I was going to request a resume comparison because I felt like Pitt had a better resume. And this kinda confirms it.

Huh?

Pitt has 2 more Q1 wins
10 spots higher in NET (tomorrow)
Beat UVa head to head and on the road, to boot

In no universe should UVa be ahead of Pitt.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Does anyone know if road wins are on the team sheet. I feel like that’s our only wild card.

 

[SteelBowl70]

Yes they look similar to this

Pittsburgh Panthers NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet 2024 Men's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com

NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet for Pittsburgh Panthers 2024 Men's College Basketball. This Is a Duplication of the report used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee to Determine At-Large Teams in the national championship tournament with quadrants

www.warrennolan.com

Also see this

Bracketology: Explaining the 'team sheets' the selection committee uses to compare NCAA Tournament résumés

What exactly is the selection committee looking at from each team when it builds the NCAA Tournament bracket?

www.cbssports.com

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Yes they look similar to this

Pittsburgh Panthers NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet 2024 Men's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com

NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet for Pittsburgh Panthers 2024 Men's College Basketball. This Is a Duplication of the report used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee to Determine At-Large Teams in the national championship tournament with quadrants

www.warrennolan.com

Also see this

Bracketology: Explaining the 'team sheets' the selection committee uses to compare NCAA Tournament résumés

What exactly is the selection committee looking at from each team when it builds the NCAA Tournament bracket?

www.cbssports.com

I find it interesting that “overall road and neutral records” are in the “most important” category…although alongside OOC strength.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

I find it interesting that “overall road and neutral records” are in the “most important” category…although alongside OOC strength.

Road/Neutral record should be meaningful for Pitt.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I find it interesting that “overall road and neutral records” are in the “most important” category…although alongside OOC strength.

Yeah it doesn't make sense from a comparing basketball teams standpoint, only from a "the NCAA doesn't like when teams only schedule easy home games" standpoint.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

SVP just jumped Lunardi and said it doesn’t make sense UVA is over Pitt. He said he watches basketball and understands the metrics but Pitt is clearly better. Lunardi didn’t have an answer and actually agreed Pitt wins in a 7 game series.

Now Greenberg is on and defending Pitt. Said they need to be in and can make a run.

National media is confused.

SVp is lobbying HARD right now for Pitt

Yeah they were really lobbying for Pitt. And I agree, it is not just about the metrics, you look at Pitt, and they are a top 25-30 team right now. Wake is good. Pitt is really good.

 

[thebadby2]

And poorly coached. How do you not get Post touches down low.

UVA shoved Post way off the block and completely neutralized him in the last 3 mins. They wouldn't let him catch it anywhere where he could do anything with it. He still kept forcing stuff way outside his range, essentially turning the ball over every time he touched it with wild contested shots. Probably something to the exhaustion factor because UVA did whatever they wanted to BC in the last couple minutes defensively. .

 

[thebadby2]

SVP just jumped Lunardi and said it doesn’t make sense UVA is over Pitt. He said he watches basketball and understands the metrics but Pitt is clearly better. Lunardi didn’t have an answer and actually agreed Pitt wins in a 7 game series.

Now Greenberg is on and defending Pitt. Said they need to be in and can make a run.

National media is confused.

SVp is lobbying HARD right now for Pitt

SVp is lobbying HARD right now for Pitt

No he's not. He's doing his job, as is Lunardi, Seth and everyone else on TV, which is to generate discussion and controversy where the opportunity arises to keep the viewers engaged.

 

[Pitt79]

Beat UVa head to head and on the road, to boot

Actual games are the least meaningful metric. Go check your NET and KENPOM, count your Qs and quit watching games and checking scores and standings.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Actual games are the least meaningful metric. Go check your NET and KENPOM, count your Qs and quit watching games and checking scores and standings.

Right. And these AD's with 80 hour/week jobs certainly arent watching any of these teams play before this week.

 

[DruidTM]

Pitt took UVA to school

Shut. Up.

 

[Pitt2009]

Actual games are the least meaningful metric. Go check your NET and KENPOM, count your Qs and quit watching games and checking scores and standings.

I completely agree. There’s absolutely no reason we should care if NC State beats Syracuse to move to a quad 1 win or if Mizzou keeps it a close loss so they don’t fall into a quad 4 loss.

The question should be “how good is your team?”. Not “how good were the teams you played against the teams they played against the teams they played?”.

 

[Wanstash21]

SVp is lobbying HARD right now for Pitt

No he's not. He's doing his job, as is Lunardi, Seth and everyone else on TV, which is to generate discussion and controversy where the opportunity arises to keep the viewers engaged.

yes all the viewers who care about the 10000th segment of Lunardi .. and all of those viewers who give a rats ass about Pitt hoops. Not really sure why you're trying to debate this.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I completely agree. There’s absolutely no reason we should care if NC State beats Syracuse to move to a quad 1 win or if Mizzou keeps it a close loss so they don’t fall into a quad 4 loss.

The question should be “how good is your team?”. Not “how good were the teams you played against the teams they played against the teams they played?”.

I know some people dont but I love Jay Bilas. Everything that ever comes out of his mouth, I agree with. He is such a common sense dude. He said with all the advanced analytics, cant they put a value on a game based on the time it was played? Like losing to Missouri as a 7 poiny favorite before they lost Caleb Grill for the season, before Lowe started playing a lot, and after they won at Minnesota, really wasnt a terrible loss at that time.

 

[H-Burg Panther]

Yeah they were really lobbying for Pitt. And I agree, it is not just about the metrics, you look at Pitt, and they are a top 25-30 team right now. Wake is good. Pitt is really good.

I agree. That's another thing. Obviously, we should be a lock, but Wake should too. So many of those mediocre Big 10/12/East teams that the media anoints as safely in, Wake certainly takes them out on a neutral floor. I mean Northwestern? Oklahoma? Seton Hall? Dreck.

 

[H-Burg Panther]

Actual games are the least meaningful metric. Go check your NET and KENPOM, count your Qs and quit watching games and checking scores and standings.

Post of the week right here! Exactly. What are we even doing? What happened to the NCAA Tournament we all grew up and loved? Analytics have ruined a lot of sports.

 

[pittbb80]

True. But you can do lots of things if you start going there. Pitt struggled to beat a horrible Miami team that UVA destroyed. Pitt lost at Clemson. Pitt lost to Syracuse twice and UVA beat SU easily.

Pitt lost to Mizzou.

Head to head completion. Should count. We beat them handily on their home court not long ago.

 

[Pitt79]

I know some people dont but I love Jay Bilas. Everything that ever comes out of his mouth, I agree with. He is such a common sense dude. He said with all the advanced analytics, cant they put a value on a game based on the time it was played? Like losing to Missouri as a 7 poiny favorite before they lost Caleb Grill for the season, before Lowe started playing a lot, and after they won at Minnesota, really wasnt a terrible loss at that time.

He was announcing yesterday's Pitt game wasn't he? I remember that was said during that game and thinking, yes! That makes total sense!

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Bilas is entertaining, smart, makes fun of himself, and truly loves college hoops above all. Don't really know why he gets the hate except that people don't like Duke (I mean me neither) or hold grudges about everyone in the media. This time of the year, I look forward to hearing from a few people, especially Charles Barkley (who clearly knows nothing about college basketball, which is quite entertaining), Bilas, and hearing games called by Bill Raftery and Stan Van Gundy.

 

[DruidTM]

True. But you can do lots of things if you start going there. Pitt struggled to beat a horrible Miami team that UVA destroyed. Pitt lost at Clemson. Pitt lost to Syracuse twice and UVA beat SU easily.

Pitt lost to Mizzou.

Pitt smoked UVA

Shut.Up.

 

[BFo8]

I know some people dont but I love Jay Bilas. Everything that ever comes out of his mouth, I agree with. He is such a common sense dude. He said with all the advanced analytics, cant they put a value on a game based on the time it was played? Like losing to Missouri as a 7 poiny favorite before they lost Caleb Grill for the season, before Lowe started playing a lot, and after they won at Minnesota, really wasnt a terrible loss at that time.

Please stop with the Caleb Grill stuff. He is and always has been a mediocre player that’s never been a major factor for any of the 3 teams he’s been on. Was thrown off the team at Iowa St and was a headache in his one season at UNLV, guy is a problem in the locker room.

 

[TD_6082]

Yeah they were really lobbying for Pitt. And I agree, it is not just about the metrics, you look at Pitt, and they are a top 25-30 team right now. Wake is good. Pitt is really good.

Wake Forest isn't very good. They just recently lost 3 in a row to Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech.

 

[TD_6082]

Pitt smoked UVA

Shut.Up.

Yes they did. And other than the win at Duke, UVA is probably Pitt's most impressive win.

See the problem?

 

[Pitt2009]

Yes they did. And other than the win at Duke, UVA is probably Pitt's most impressive win.

See the problem?

You can’t just discredit the win at Duke. Three teams won at Duke. #4 UNC, #6 Arizona, and Pitt.

Can you name another bubble team that has a top 10 win on the road?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Yes they did. And other than the win at Duke, UVA is probably Pitt's most impressive win.

See the problem?

Indiana State is 0-2 against major conference teams, both 10+ loss teams, losing by a combined 34 points. Their best win is against Drake, who beat them twice.

How's that most impressive win?

 

[thebadby2]

I know some people dont but I love Jay Bilas. Everything that ever comes out of his mouth, I agree with. He is such a common sense dude. He said with all the advanced analytics, cant they put a value on a game based on the time it was played? Like losing to Missouri as a 7 poiny favorite before they lost Caleb Grill for the season, before Lowe started playing a lot, and after they won at Minnesota, really wasnt a terrible loss at that time.

Bilas is the Herbstreit of college basketball. The best analyst in the business.

If you don't respect either of them or believe that they know what they are talking about, or if you consider them shills for this or that, that tells me everything about you from a fan knowledge standpoint.

 

[TD_6082]

Indiana State is 0-2 against major conference teams, both 10+ loss teams, losing by a combined 34 points. Their best win is against Drake, who beat them twice.

How's that most impressive win?

I didn't say it was.

I certainly don't think Indiana State should be in over Pitt. My whole point is that I don't understand how so many people can think Pitt should be safely in with their resume. I mean if it were dependent on the last 15 games - absolutely. Based on the overall resume, that can go either way. Totally dependent on the whims of the selection committee.

A lot of people like to point out how bad Virginia is, which I don't disagree with... but I would argue that the UVA win is probably Pitt's most impressive win outside of Duke. Duke may be the only team Pitt has beaten that is safely in the tourney.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I didn't say it was.

I certainly don't think Indiana State should be in over Pitt. My whole point is that I don't understand how so many people can think Pitt should be safely in with their resume. I mean if it were dependent on the last 15 games - absolutely. Based on the overall resume, that can go either way. Totally dependent on the whims of the selection committee.

A lot of people like to point out how bad Virginia is, which I don't disagree with... but I would argue that the UVA win is probably Pitt's most impressive win outside of Duke. Duke may be the only team Pitt has beaten that is safely in the tourney.

I think many bracketologists have made it clear Pitt is in trouble. And I understand that unfortunately for Pitt, recency bias is officially out. I am just reserving the right to be angry if e.g. Indiana State gets in over us with no big wins.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Please stop with the Caleb Grill stuff. He is and always has been a mediocre player that’s never been a major factor for any of the 3 teams he’s been on. Was thrown off the team at Iowa St and was a headache in his one season at UNLV, guy is a problem in the locker room.

He was their 3rd best player. He gets hot for a game or 2 and they go 1-17 or 2-18 with him.