They were fantastic in the semi final, but this was so bad it nearly kills their once in life season. At least in the short term like the past super bowl annihilation games. Oh well
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$40???So now SMF is defending his opinions with Tik Tok videos? I wouldn't be surprised if someone in China drains his bank account within 72 hours.
TBF, OSU didn't win its division either.What bearing did the outcome have on the decision to include them in the four team tournament? Then they beat the defending champion. Just because they crapped the bead in the final doesn't mean they weren't deserving.
I know you're just trying to incite comments but you're trying to tell us that a team that couldn't even win it's own division should have been in the CFP. It's a pretty incredible leap. Might as well say Penn State should have been there. Same credentials, essentially, but they were in the conference that had the most teams in the CFP.
Michigan’s loss to TCU was poor coaching / lack of prep by a overrated head case coach who was spending the time before that game trying to connive his way back to an NFL job. They were overconfident and unprepared. Even with all that they still should have won if not for a bad officiating mistake. TCU was about the level of Pitt perhaps with a better QB. Never should have been ranked anywhere near there. A charity choice to avoid criticism.TCU got lucky all year. Michigan was no different. They failed got 0 points from 2 drives inside their 2 yard line and threw 2 pick 6's. That's a 28 point swing right there, 42 if you consider they may have scored TDs on the pick 6 drives.
Respectfully, if TCU wasn’t worthy, why would Alabama be worthy? Like you said, they had two losses. It shouldn’t just be the Blue Chip Invitational. The regular season ought to still have some meaning and importance.
Remember, it was me that said it should be Bama. TCU played a very weak schedule and had a chance in their title game to leave no doubt. Just beat 3 loss Kansas State on a neutral field 18 miles from campus and there's no doubt. They lost. Alabama had 2 losses, both on the road, both on the last play and would have been a 2 TD favorite over TCU. Shoulda listened to the 🐐
Respectfully, if TCU wasn’t worthy, why would Alabama be worthy? Like you said, they had two losses. It shouldn’t just be the Blue Chip Invitational. The regular season ought to still have some meaning and importance.
I am no Bama fan and I love to see them left out. But when you lose your title game to 3 loss Alt-Kansas, you cant be playing your next game in the CFP. Want to make the CFP? Beat Kansas State.
Harbaugh had them horribly ill-prepared for that game. They’re notorious for losing bad games under him. This was another one.They justified their inclusion by beating Michigan.
They justified their inclusion by beating Michigan.
0 points inside the 2 twice. 2 pick 6s. TCU was lucky all year. And Michigan barely beat Illinois.
Who won the game, TCU or Michigan?
And you can be lucky for a game. Maybe 2. Perhaps 3. But you don’t win 12 games by luck.
You are kind of an if’s and but’s guy. Never let the facts get in the way of a good message board argument, right SMF?
TCU is Pitt more/less
4 wins for getting off the bus
6 50/50 games
2 games where the other team has significantly more talent
They went 8-1 in games that could have went either way and then Michigan shit the bed.
Because they lost to a 3 loss team in a defacto home game in their final game. The "eye test" tells you they werent very good. As Ole Six Fiver said, they were about the level that we were this year and certainly not as good as we were last year. If you are going to be "Pitt," you cant lose your last game to a 3 loss team with Bama sitting there.
The DUMBEST idea has always been, select the 4 BEST TEAMS, meaning subjectively best, who you would bet on in a hypothetical matchup, then that divorces game results from who you would select. And the truth is that is not sports. How often do the 4 #1 seeds reach the basketball Final 4, not every time right, so in the end you usually don't get the 4 BEST TEAMS. So, what it's normal. That's where this football playoff is abnormal. A team loses their conference, or loses their championship game, or gets upset in another game, and the reaction isn't, OKAY they had their chance and blew it, its that's OKAY let's give them more chances because we know they are REALLY BETTER, any other sports league work that way?If only there was a simple solution for Alabama to get themselves in the playoff.... oh yeah, I remember, it's called win. They didn't, too bad.
The DUMBEST idea has always been, select the 4 BEST TEAMS, meaning subjectively best, who you would bet on in a hypothetical matchup, then that divorces game results from who you would select. And the truth is that is not sports. How often do the 4 #1 seeds reach the basketball Final 4, not every time right, so in the end you usually don't get the 4 BEST TEAMS. So, what it's normal. That's where this football playoff is abnormal. A team loses their conference, or loses their championship game, or gets upset in another game, and the reaction isn't, OKAY they had their chance and blew it, its that's OKAY let's give them more chances because we know they are REALLY BETTER, any other sports league work that way?
Then do something about it, break it up into smaller divisions or something? This whole thing where game results shouldn't be the #1 determining factor of who advances is ridiculous. Make FBS like high school football, break it into 4 or 6 divisions? I don't know what the solution is other than just selecting Bama every time just because.There’s no other sport leagues like college football though.
Professional sports are a poor comparison because of the parity.
And college basketball isn’t close because of how many teams are let into the tournament, and the difference between teams isn’t as great, and the difference between conferences isn’t as great.
College football is unique among sports.
Then do something about it, break it up into smaller divisions or something? This whole thing where game results shouldn't be the #1 determining factor of who advances is ridiculous. Make FBS like high school football, break it into 4 or 6 divisions? I don't know what the solution is other than just selecting Bama every time just because.
Did I say it mattered? Do I say that I expect them to do what I say? No, I haven't. I'm not even talking about having parity, I would just like OBJECTIVE ways (no eye tests) for teams to get into the playoffs, like win a conference you're in, you have 4 losses? No problem you won the conference you're in. Or if some REALLY BEST TEAM like Bama this year fails, they are OUT-it was great that they left them out, because you should be punished for losing actual games even if you are better than everyone else by 1000 miles. That's just what I would like- NOT SAYING ANYONE WILL LISTEN TO ME- DON'T THINK THAT. And it sounds like they might do that to some degree, putting conference champs in I mean. That will make it closer to being a real sport.Why would anything you’re talking about matter?
God did not say, “and thou shalt have parity in college football.”
It’s just a sport that doesn’t lend itself to what you want.
Did I say it mattered? Do I say that I expect them to do what I say? No, I haven't. I'm not even talking about having parity, I would just like OBJECTIVE ways (no eye tests) for teams to get into the playoffs, like win a conference you're in, you have 4 losses? No problem you won the conference you're in. Or if some REALLY BEST TEAM like Bama this year fails, they are OUT-it was great that they left them out, because you should be punished for losing actual games even if you are better than everyone else by 1000 miles. That's just what I would like- NOT SAYING ANYONE WILL LISTEN TO ME- DON'T THINK THAT. And it sounds like they might do that to some degree, putting conference champs in I mean. That will make it closer to being a real sport.
The real devoted fans like you who love college football will watch BAMA vs Georgia 10 years straight and actually care, and I'll just watch every Pitt game from beginning to end and rewatch the better ones, like I have for decades, no matter what they do with the playoffs.
Heck... I remember a year in the 90s in which Florida lost to FSU in their last game then played them AGAIN for the national title a month later and best them something like 56-20. Shit happens.
This year? No. I think everything went right for tOSU until the missed kick and UGa played very down and still beat them. If UGa brings their B game, no one from this year would ever beat their championship team this year. They're an exceptional team. I think same applies to the year Clemson blew out Bama and Burrows won with LSU and Bana won with DaVonta Smith. No one was beating those teams if they showed up those years. Those are just the recent ones. USC and Miami and FSU had trans like this too going back 25 years.Do you think TCU ever could have beat UGA?
I would say that playoff selection should still be done like in other sports, even if better teams are left out in favor of lesser teams, because that too often happens in the other sports.You’re ranting too much.
I’m not advocating we use Power Polls to pick the playoffs.
But you asked why wouldn’t we do college football like other sports? Why is this “eye test” so unique to college football. I merely answered your question. One reason why this argument is unique to college football is because college football is so unique.
It’s not a sport that lends itself to balance and parity. So there is an argument to having that in mind as you judge teams.
I would say that playoff selection should still be done like in other sports, even if better teams are left out in favor of lesser teams, because that too often happens in the other sports.
That's cool, I may just have a different mentality, I agree Alabama is always among the 4 best in recent years and agree they can probably beat anyone. But I'd rather see Alabama while being the best, pay consequences for losing, even if it means the playoff is not the 4 best. I don't want Alabama included just to have a more competitive game. What's the use of having a season if we know Alabama is best and if they lose that won't cost them anything?That’s fine.
Once again, you were asking *why* don’t people necessarily have the same mentality as they do in every other sport? Why is college football unique.
I was merely answering, not necessarily advocating. The answer is because college football is so unique amongst sports.
None quite as bad as the 65-7 drubbing but there have been plenty of complete crap, dud blowout title games
I agree 100% ALABAMA IS BETTER than TCU, better than almost anyone! Not up for debate, they likely will kick everyone's ass! But sorry, to me the whole idea of handing them that playoff spot is WELFARE for the RICH. It's offensive to me that because they are BETTER and THEY ARE BETTER BY FAR, that when they fail they get no consequences, no punishment for what they did, which was FAILING, by losing actual games. I'd rather they be punished, and the playoffs have blowouts. I'd always go for most deserving or OBJECTIVE qualification, like automatic qualifying for ANY ALL TEAMS THAT WIN A CONFERENCE TITLE GAME, no matter how "BEST" they are, even if they push out BETTER teams, because that's real sports.I think 100% of us would have agreed that Alabama was better than TCU before the selections were made. That isn't really up for debate.
"Both teams had a great season but we felt TCU had a chance to win their way in by winning their championship game but they lost on a neutral field to a 3 loss team. Alabama's 2 losses both were on the road and on the final play and we were confident that they were the better team."
Its a question of best vs most deserving.
But TCU is not a non champion. They won the regular season title. Bama didn't. That is much more difficult to do than a one game playoff. I keep hearing this stuff about TCU didn't belong there crap at work. It's really convenient how people wait till the game has been played to try and re-write history just because of the outcome.Not quite as bad? It was the biggest blowout in bowl history, ANY bowl including the crappy ones. Its ok to admit I was right and the CFP got it wrong. I think 100% of us would have agreed that Alabama was better than TCU before the selections were made. That isn't really up for debate. Quality/talent/eye test is a factor though not THE deciding factor. TCU probably had the better resume based on B12 teams being rated higher than they deserved to be. However, I think it would have been the right decision to go with 10-2 Bama over 12-1 TCU and when they ask the director why, he says this:
"Both teams had a great season but we felt TCU had a chance to win their way in by winning their championship game but they lost on a neutral field to a 3 loss team. Alabama's 2 losses both were on the road and on the final play and we were confident that they were the better team."
Its a question of best vs most deserving. I would agree that in most cases, most deserving should go over best. But when its as close as this, and you are selecting between 2 non-champions (or 3 if you count Ohio State), you have to use common sense and go with the best teams. You simply cannot lose a neutral site game go KST on the last day.
But TCU is not a non champion. They won the regular season title. Bama didn't. That is much more difficult to do than a one game playoff. I keep hearing this stuff about TCU didn't belong there crap at work. It's really convenient how people wait till the game has been played to try and re-write history just because of the outcome.
But TCU is not a non champion. They won the regular season title. Bama didn't. That is much more difficult to do than a one game playoff. I keep hearing this stuff about TCU didn't belong there crap at work. It's really convenient how people wait till the game has been played to try and re-write history just because of the outcome.