Tim Brando believes ND joins ACC within 3 years and
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Acc football would be legit. No clue why they would do it from their perspective though
Only way the money is right is if they can keep their own TV deal without their NBC-TV deal the money is nowhere near right
I don't believe this one. He is speculating obviously, but I don't see ND giving up independence.
If the football $ is the same, then they would get a lot more exposure for the rest of their athletic programs and their University through the ACC Network.
ND would be heavily involved in the ACC network no matter what...everything but their home football game broadcasts. ND is a full legal member of the ACC. They would get a cut of the network minus what would be calculated to be earned from football broadcasts (likely a healthy chunk).
If you take a cue from the existing ACC Digital Network, their football program will even get covered; just won't have games broadcast. The ACC/ESPN could feasibly put the 2 to 3 ND-ACC away games on the ACCN each year anyway.
Take what Brando says with a grain of salt. He's just speculating...no more than any internet blogger does. ThePanthers knows more about realignment, conference, and network/media issues than Brando does (and I'm being totally serious).
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If there is an ACC network, the other programs would be a part of it as they are a full member of the ACC.
I bet you see an NBC/ESPN (ABC) deal for broadcast rights where NBC really becomes relevant in College sports.
Texas or Penn State comes in with ND. My guess would be Texas but both would really provide a huge docket of coverage to throw at many channels. You would not need an ACC Network.
I have been saying for a long time there is a reason Dallas is America's Team and its because they play in the NFC East ( which makes zero sense) but it works. It will for the Longhorns too.
I don't want to get too greedy but Georgia and Kentucky sure would be nice too.
They are "America's team" only because Art Rooney declined being tabbed as "America's team". This has nothing to do with anything past a marketing ploy.
They play NY,Philly,Washington twice per year and they played in Super Bowl often when they got the name.
My point is Dallas is not in the East but play in the East often. Texas could also in the ACC.
Sounds like Dude from WV. Damn guy was all over the map till his act got old.
I wonder how much he earned off the web hits?
It is an extra chance to lose, but at the same time it is an opportunity against a top 12 opponent. Big 12 studies indicated the best model for placing a team in the College Football Playoff is a 12-team conference playing eight league games plus a championship game. Who knows if their simulations were accurate, but that information is out there.
SO......it wasnt wins on the field that got them to the Super Bowl? It was the moniker "America's Team" that got them Super Bowl rings........
I never knew that.
I kind of thought you could connect the dots and realize it takes a lot of wins to go to the Super Bowl, WIN the Super Bowl and win more games to go to more Super Bowls.
A lot of wins plus winning those games in the East Coast with Eyeballs watching East Coast teams equals the media centers of the United States and large portion of NFL fans liking Dallas so much they become America's Team. It would not of happened if eyeballs from their games were in the NFC West. Yes,winning is the most important ingredient. They keep the name like Pittsburgh is the Steel City when we don't produce Steel and Dallas fails to win much any longer.
He's speculating but there are a couple of reasons I lend it a little bit of credence.
Besides ND, NBC doesn't have much of a CFB presence outside of the Ivy and Colonial leagues. If they chose to go after the ACC, ND would be the right vehicle. I don't think ND can get that kind of money outside of NBC so they would have to listen to NBC if that's the way the network wanted to go. NBC has a bunch of channels that they could use (think Olympics) that are already on nationally plus a radio network. Would be a huge hammer to swing when getting providers to pay more for that package.
The only thing that has really kept ND out of a conference (besides cash) is the old guard alumni that hate change. I'd compare this group to some of the PSU guys that think the old looking uniforms add some degree of class or who would freak out if they tried to install field turf in Beaver Stadium.
The ACC is being patient about a network. There has to be a reason in the works or they would be actively laying the ground work.
One of my best friends is an ND guy and he thinks that the conference deal gets done eventually and the ACC is the only place ND feels at home. I don't see ND coming in alone though. I can't imagine the ACC expanding to an odd number and I'd bet my last nickel they'd look towards the state of Texas. Houston market at worst. That part is a SWAG at best.
Besides ND, NBC doesn't have much of a CFB presence outside of the Ivy and Colonial leagues. If they chose to go after the ACC, ND would be the right vehicle. I don't think ND can get that kind of money outside of NBC so they would have to listen to NBC if that's the way the network wanted to go. NBC has a bunch of channels that they could use (think Olympics) that are already on nationally plus a radio network. Would be a huge hammer to swing when getting providers to pay more for that package.
The only thing that has really kept ND out of a conference (besides cash) is the old guard alumni that hate change. I'd compare this group to some of the PSU guys that think the old looking uniforms add some degree of class or who would freak out if they tried to install field turf in Beaver Stadium.
The ACC is being patient about a network. There has to be a reason in the works or they would be actively laying the ground work.
One of my best friends is an ND guy and he thinks that the conference deal gets done eventually and the ACC is the only place ND feels at home. I don't see ND coming in alone though. I can't imagine the ACC expanding to an odd number and I'd bet my last nickel they'd look towards the state of Texas. Houston market at worst. That part is a SWAG at best.
I just don't see what leverage the ACC has or why ND would feel any pressure whatsoever to change anything? Without some sort of game-changing leverage, it's just not going to happen...ever.
I'd love to be proven wrong here, but I don't think that I am.
I'd love to be proven wrong here, but I don't think that I am.
I don't think the ACC has any leverage with ND. NBC on the other hand does. My whole premise is based on NBC pushing the relationship. They'd have to convince ND to lock up and they'd have to convince the ACC that the pie can't be an even split.
Not saying it's ever going to happen but it's the only viable scenario (IMO) where it does happen.
There would actually be more money. Notre Dame gets about $15 million from their NBC deal. Then they get $6 million from the ACC. By contrast, the ACC paid out about $26 million to the other schools last year. The thing is, the ACC would get to increase its TV contract if Notre Dame joins, since currently they don't have the rights to Notre Dame's home football games. Regarding the network issue, Notre Dame would only get a small amount from the network as it stands. That's because, again, no rights for home football games. (There isn't any payment for road games, since the home team owns those rights.) No question, there is more money for Notre Dame by joining a conference. The question is, is that money enough to get them to join? So far, it hasn't been.
If Notre Dame is undefeated they're going to the playoffs no matter if they're in a conference or not. Most likely same if they're a 1 loss team. When the playoffs expand to 8 teams, that will be less incentive to join.
No team will ever leave SEC. UGA never in a million years. And UK is a dud! The rest of your post would be incredibly awesome!!!
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This almost came to a head last year. If ND had beaten Stanford in the last game of the season, they would have been ranked #6. Certainly they would have leap-frogged the loser of the Michigan State-Iowa Big 10 championship game. But that would have left them firmly at #5 and out of the playoffs. And with no conference championship game of their own, they would have no way to advance their position.
There would have been a lot of Irish fans howling.
Exactly. Their road right now to the CFP is harder as an independent in many ways.
I don't see this happening. Pitt fans should know from the BE days how important independence is to ND. And the principals that govern these types of moves -- stability and money -- wouldn't apply (to ND). What's in it for ND to join the ACC as a full member? They don't need the money. They already recruit nationwide. And a one loss or undefeated ND team is most likely in the current playoff structure (given their historical branding).
But if it did happen, I could see that as a possible catalyst for grabbing a pod of current B12 schools, Texas and some others, like the move to the Pac that almost occurred.
But if it did happen, I could see that as a possible catalyst for grabbing a pod of current B12 schools, Texas and some others, like the move to the Pac that almost occurred.
I totally agree, but Va Tech and Miami thought the same thing about the BCS... Texas could see that and use it as a negative not to make that leap of faith.
The $15 million a year figure was from the old NBC deal that ran from 2010-15. The rumors out of ND (not public since ND is private) is that the Irish are getting $22-23 million/year from the new 2015-25 NBC deal.
ND got $9 million a year prior to the 2010 five year renewal when it went up to $15 million. The new deal's increase to $22-23 million reflects the market at the time of renewal, plus the fact that this extension is twice as long as any previous ND/NBC deal from 1991 until 2015.
ND got $9 million a year prior to the 2010 five year renewal when it went up to $15 million. The new deal's increase to $22-23 million reflects the market at the time of renewal, plus the fact that this extension is twice as long as any previous ND/NBC deal from 1991 until 2015.
Lose the sand in the vag.
Someone mentions that Brando has contradicting posts, and I comment that was the Dude of WV's MO, but I have the issue? Piss off with your little man complex. My post had nothing to do with ND.
Simple: If Notre Dame has 1 loss and every other Conference Champ only has 1 loss, then Notre Dame has a hard time getting in at 11-1 vs a 12-1 Conference Champ unless Notre Dame's Strength of Schedule is so much better than the Conference Champ's that it warrants Notre Dame being in the Top 4.
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