What record do you have to see to be happy before a bowl game. Is 7-5 enough to keep everyone happy if we lose to PSU, UCF, ND, VT, and Miami? Or do we need to beat one of them for people to be happy
To Be Happy at Season End
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I think most reasonable fans predicted 7-5 or 8-4. Either finish is acceptable with this schedule.
I predicted 7-6 and sticking with it. I would be okay with it due to the difficulty of the schedule.
There’s no shame in going 7-5 and losing to the schools mentioned above. If you win the bowl and get to 8 wins, that sets the program nicely for 2019.
After watching ND vs Vanderbilt I think we can beat the Dame.
Glad to see Pitt fans except mediocrity once again. What the hell! I guess the last 35 years have beaten them down.
I sure was hoping better than 7 wins in year 4 of this regime. Oh well
I sure was hoping better than 7 wins in year 4 of this regime. Oh well
I think everyone is hoping for more than 7 but realistically it’s not too probable.
7+ wins including the bowl game and I'll call it a step forward.
Another 5 win season and Lyke has to have a serious conversation with Narduzzi. Not a conversation about heart, or effort or dedication. Just a conversation about results. Two 5 win seasons in a row is rough, 3 I'm not sure we can stomach.
Another 5 win season and Lyke has to have a serious conversation with Narduzzi. Not a conversation about heart, or effort or dedication. Just a conversation about results. Two 5 win seasons in a row is rough, 3 I'm not sure we can stomach.
I want no wtf games this year. It starts by beating a putrid unc team, something they couldn’t do last year. Also beating one decent team out of UCF, nd, by, Miami. Even games with Syracuse, wake, and duke look really challenging this year. After unc. Pitt’s remaining schedule is 19-3
Here were my preseason happy marks:
-Beat PSU and win 8 games OR
-Lose to PSU and win the ACC coastal
When I said lose to PSU, I didn’t mean be epically embarrassed on national TV.
For me to be happy, I think they would need to win the whole conference. Win the coastal and then upset Clemson in the Championship. Short of that, after the PSU nightmare, this season is already a failure.
-Beat PSU and win 8 games OR
-Lose to PSU and win the ACC coastal
When I said lose to PSU, I didn’t mean be epically embarrassed on national TV.
For me to be happy, I think they would need to win the whole conference. Win the coastal and then upset Clemson in the Championship. Short of that, after the PSU nightmare, this season is already a failure.
I'm not impressed with Notre Dame either. That's a very winnable game, imo.
I'd be happy with 9-3. 8-4 would be okay. 7-5 is meh. 6 would be disappointing. 5 or less is unacceptable.
Offense would need to take a big leap to expect more than 7-5. Blame whatever, but it is a struggle to score. I see it improving, but not markedly or linearly this season. There are some frustrating games ahead I think.
For Year 4, 7-5 doesn't make me happy. But I'm thinking more of what is needed to avoid a complete fallout. That's happiness in the Pitt sports world.
For Year 4, 7-5 doesn't make me happy. But I'm thinking more of what is needed to avoid a complete fallout. That's happiness in the Pitt sports world.
- Pre-season I predicted 6-6 or 7-5.
- So if we win 8 or more games it would be better than expected and I would be happy for this year.
- 6 or 7 wins (and thus a bowl game) would be as expected and acceptable for this year.
- 5 or less wins would be less than expected and unacceptable/disappointment.
- So if we win 8 or more games it would be better than expected and I would be happy for this year.
- 6 or 7 wins (and thus a bowl game) would be as expected and acceptable for this year.
- 5 or less wins would be less than expected and unacceptable/disappointment.
The only wtf game on our whole schedule is Albany, and we already beat them. So you won’t see any.
LOL! You must live in a legalized state...
8 wins? Win the ACC?!? I would only consider this season a success if Pitt went undefeated and won the MNC. I could accept if they were 13-1 as long as that 1 didn’t come against PSU.
Why do fans like you accept mediocrity?
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I would like to see them beat the teams they are supposed to. Duke, GTech etc and be very competitive in the others. If we are ever going to trend up we need to knock off one of the "Better teams" I actually told some close friends 4-8 and 5-7. I was and am still concerned with the OLine and linebacking core. So....7-5 I'm optimistic...8-4 feeling pretty good.....9-3 looking forward to '19
Happy in year 4 at 7-5? No, but it certainly isn't enough to fire HCPN. There is also a big difference in how we get to that 7-5 and what it means for the next year. If we go 7-5 and are still playing all these low talent SRs and not younger guys to get them experience for next year, then that really lowers the ceiling for 2019 and 2020. That will be very disappointing. 2019 is going to have to be much, much better than 7-5 and if we are replacing 6 starters on defense and 7 on offense, including 4 on the OL, how is that likely?
We also can't lose anymore games like PSU. That was unbelievably embarrassing.
The schedule is "difficult" mostly because we aren't very good. PSU is a good team, although much of this board spent lots of time saying PSU was overrated and predicting a Pitt win. Then we got absolutely mushroom stomped. UCF and ND aren't anything special. Miami and VT are solid, but do not seem like great teams. Should we schedule 3 good OOC teams like PSU, ND, and UCF all in the same year? Absolutely not. Does that mean we should lose to every better than average team on our schedule in year 4? Absolutely not.
Depends on what you mean by "happy". I was very happy 2 years ago beating PSU and Clemson.
I would be ok with 7 wins, and content. But, I would hardly be 'happy". I think 9 wins would be happy with a win against the Dames.
Or I can say I would be a Pitt fan whether we are 2-10 or 10-2, so in that regard, still happy following my alma mater.
I tend to agree with the general consensus that if we are 5-7 then Narduzzi will and should be on the hot seat (and I am a huge Narduzzi fan and homer as y'all know). Although, I think that would set Pitt back another 5 years. I would prefer to just have him coach here for 10 years and get consistency for once.
Also, over 7 wins, then its a really good season for us.
6 or 7 wins then its ehhh... ok, we dont suck.
There is a thing called reality as well. Fans that just yell and scream "accept mediocrity" are f'd up IMO. It's just yelling to yell.
The reality of this team and the schedule THIS YEAR is that 7 or 8 wins would be acceptable.
The program long term has to do better to improve, and that is what I feel they are striving for. But there are realities around each individual season. 2009 is an example. I was actually disappointed in the 10 wins, because I feel we could have done better and had a BE championship. This year if you are expecting 10 or 11 wins you are delusional.
The "oh they are accepting mediocrity", "administration is not trying", etc etc just yell to yell and honestly can go to hell.
I predicted a 5-7 season and still think that is about as well as we do. I'd like to see a 7-5 and 8-4 would be a shock to me. I certainly hope my prediction for this year is wrong but so far there doesn't seem to be evidence that we will improve in the w/l over last season.
Agree with that other posters that this is inane.
As fans, we should be fans. We have no say in the decisions, and to abandon is silly too. However, Heather Lyke has shown she is not happy with mediocrity, and she wont be. I truly dont think you have to worry if we go 4-8 this year, you will get your wish. Or if we go 6-6 the next couple years. You can tell she will not stand long for it based on the other coaching positions at Pitt.
I'm happy now and what Pitt does has no bearing on my happiness. It's more a question of what we think THEY would be happy with.
In my mind, if they win less than 8 games in the regular season, they shouldn't be happy with that in year 4 of the Narduzzi regime. And going to a bowl game with less than 8 wins is a sham anyhow. So it should be 8 wins or more, or they're very unhappy with their season.
My expectation is that we'll get to 5 wins. That's unacceptable in year 4 under Narduzzi.
In my mind, if they win less than 8 games in the regular season, they shouldn't be happy with that in year 4 of the Narduzzi regime. And going to a bowl game with less than 8 wins is a sham anyhow. So it should be 8 wins or more, or they're very unhappy with their season.
My expectation is that we'll get to 5 wins. That's unacceptable in year 4 under Narduzzi.
The question was, "what will make me happy," not what do i predict. I predict 6 wins but I am not happy that and getting blown out and embarrassed by our rival. Not in year 4 of Narduzzi.
We fired Walt and Wanny for 8 win seasons because it wasn't good enough. The expectation is higher now.
It doesn't look good for Narduzzi right now. His recruiting is mostly to blame for that.
We fired Walt and Wanny for 8 win seasons because it wasn't good enough. The expectation is higher now.
It doesn't look good for Narduzzi right now. His recruiting is mostly to blame for that.
Get my wish? WTF is that supposed to mean.
I want Narduzzi to succeed. However, if he only wins 6 or 7 games in year 4. I consider that a disappointment. Any fan happy with that or below is a cancer to the program.
I understand what you are saying and the OOC games are certainly not something HCPN could control, and shouldn't be replicated, but in year 4 of a program 7-5 is not acceptable and has to be worrying. 7-5, like is being discussed in this thread, would include losing to every better than average team we play and at least 1 (the only one we have played so far) getting absolutely demolished. When you then start evaluating this as part of the future it gets worrisome, and fast. Next year it looks like (as of today) we are replacing 13 starters and 4 OL. Even for an uber talented team (which we most certainly do not qualify as) how could you predict 9+ wins that next season? So, then the ceiling next year is, again, 7 or 8 wins in year 5, despite a very middle of the road, maybe even easy (considering PSU and VT are the only better than average road opponents), schedule.
And there is a very big difference between 7-5 with 13 SR starters and 10-2/11-1. No one expected the latter and to suggest they did is ridiculous.
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I personally would love to see Pitt go 8-4 ...beat Miami & VT (style of play helps us)...UCF away loss....ND...too talented....win a bowl game and that's 9. I don't think that is unreasonable for this team. They have shown they can play at that level. They haven't shown they can play at that level consistently. So I'd say 9 wins and finishing the last 3 games with 2 top 25 wins makes us look focused on stepping up in the coastal.
I agree that this year seemed like a 5 to 7 win season year. The issue is whether that should be the team in Year 4?
Some of the ceiling is due to dumb scheduling, but some of that is the team Narduzzi has built in Year 4. It’s fair to ask whether the the talent and the quality of coaching of that talent that has us projecting a 5 to 7 win season as “realistic,” is where the program should be fours years into the regime?
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Not sure what you guys are smoking, but your SOS is really pathetic. Pitt plays in the weakest P5 division and the SOS is about what is expected. Your SOS is ranked at 52, which isn't impressive.
Yeah as a whole, but our non conference schedule is one of the hardest in the country. I say 7-5, 8-4 with no losses to inferior teams is acceptable. It's not about accepting mediocrity, it's about being realistic.
Happy: 9 wins or above would make me happy. I still believe it is achievable.
Content: Considering the schedule, 8 wins
Disappointed: 6-7 wins.
Pissed: Anything below 6 wins
It is year 4. We need to show progress. I believe the team will get better as the season goes on.
UNC, Duke, VA, WF, Syracuse, are all very winnable games. That gets you to 7 wins.
ND, UCF, VT and Miami are the tough ones left. If you win two, that gets you to 9 wins. I believe by the time we play VT at home, we will be a good football team.
Barring injuries, I don't believe that's asking a lot.
Content: Considering the schedule, 8 wins
Disappointed: 6-7 wins.
Pissed: Anything below 6 wins
It is year 4. We need to show progress. I believe the team will get better as the season goes on.
UNC, Duke, VA, WF, Syracuse, are all very winnable games. That gets you to 7 wins.
ND, UCF, VT and Miami are the tough ones left. If you win two, that gets you to 9 wins. I believe by the time we play VT at home, we will be a good football team.
Barring injuries, I don't believe that's asking a lot.
Truly happy? 14-0. No points scored on us in the entire season. Pickett and Ford win co-Heisman and immediately set us as NC favorites next year as well. PSU and UNC placed on the Death Penalty they deserve.
I have high thresholds for joy.
Seriously, I'm never happy with ANY loss of any kind, so it's disingenuous to say even 10-2 or 11-1 now would make me "happy" because i'd recalibrate my expectations like a Garmin ... i'd have a corner of my head irked that we lost that 1 game (really, just lost that 2nd half). Face it all sports fans are wired like that, or they really aren't fans, just followers.
So I'm not going to say 8-4 makes me happy. It would be among the top shockers I've experienced in sports, because no way does it appear on 9/18 that offense, defense or special teams can produce more than barely .500. But say they do somehow, my immediate gripe would be, why not 9-3...
I truly do think a 5-7 or less means serious problems for the coming year. There will be loud factions calling for Narduzzi to be let go but it isn't likely, if only due to Stallings and Capel, and the need for continuity, but it will also likely mean an already shaky recruiting campaign will end poorly and season ticket sales will drop to tragic lows. That would make all of us NOT HAPPY.
So he's just gotta at least hit .500, at least nab a bowl of any kind.
I have high thresholds for joy.
Seriously, I'm never happy with ANY loss of any kind, so it's disingenuous to say even 10-2 or 11-1 now would make me "happy" because i'd recalibrate my expectations like a Garmin ... i'd have a corner of my head irked that we lost that 1 game (really, just lost that 2nd half). Face it all sports fans are wired like that, or they really aren't fans, just followers.
So I'm not going to say 8-4 makes me happy. It would be among the top shockers I've experienced in sports, because no way does it appear on 9/18 that offense, defense or special teams can produce more than barely .500. But say they do somehow, my immediate gripe would be, why not 9-3...
I truly do think a 5-7 or less means serious problems for the coming year. There will be loud factions calling for Narduzzi to be let go but it isn't likely, if only due to Stallings and Capel, and the need for continuity, but it will also likely mean an already shaky recruiting campaign will end poorly and season ticket sales will drop to tragic lows. That would make all of us NOT HAPPY.
So he's just gotta at least hit .500, at least nab a bowl of any kind.
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Not too much to disagree with. Nine is the bar but I am less optimistic given the talent and depth, but that is why they play the games.
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