Twins & Delalic gone

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I'm talking about only basketball here. How much do you think Alabama's basketball payroll will be next season?

I think everything will go up as a result of this revenue sharing. And I think Alabama enjoys being good at basketball and makes money off it. So $8M/year within the next few years wouldn't surprise me.

I don't think they care as little about basketball as some people think.

I mean, I agree that if BC just says F football and sinks a ton of money into basketball they can close the gap. But how is that any different from how it is now? Pitt could have paid its football team much less and doubled its basketball money if they really wanted to (provided the people who donated the money and had a say in where it went were okay with it).

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think everything will go up as a result of this revenue sharing. And I think Alabama enjoys being good at basketball and makes money off it. So $8M/year within the next few years wouldn't surprise me.

I don't think they care as little about basketball as some people want to believe they do.

I mean, I agree that if BC just says F football and sinks a ton of money into basketball they can close the gap. But how is that any different from how it is now? Pitt could have paid its football team much less and doubled its basketball money if they really wanted to (provided the people who donated the money were okay with it).

You are saying $8 million/year for Alabama. Is that next year? And if I'm saying $5 million/year for BC, that gives them the ability to sign 1 or 2 really good players for 7 figures. Or maybe they buy 3 elite players for $4.5 million and fill in with lower-lebel players. But if those lower-level players turn out to be good (Mo Gueye?) or their Big 3 turn out to be really good then

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

You are saying $8 million/year for Alabama. Is that next year? And if I'm saying $5 million/year for BC, that gives them the ability to sign 1 or 2 really good players for 7 figures. Or maybe they buy 3 elite players for $4.5 million and fill in with lower-lebel players. But if those lower-level players turn out to be good (Mo Gueye?) or their Big 3 turn out to be really good then

All I'm saying is that Alabama has, and will continue to have, a significant resources advantage over BC. Quantifying exactly what the team payrolls will be is useless, because we don't know.

What I do know is that SEC schools are projected to receive something in the neighborhood of $75M this year, and that's expected to exceed $100M by 2028. This ACC, as we know, is and will be significantly less. And that's even before things hitting the fan and the conference dismantling.

On top of that, NIL isn't going away. And since Alabama's NIL is estimated to be in the top dozen or so in the country, while BC's NIL is obviously nowhere near that (it was estimated to be 65th in one article I found), I think the only way BC's total pool of player monies is going to be competing with Alabama's any time soon would be in one's imagination. That conference payout money is absolutely going to find its way to the NIL sector if it has to (i.e. if the $20M cap holds up in court), thus creating a gap that is even larger than the already huge gap that exists.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

All I'm saying is that Alabama has, and will continue to have, a significant resources advantage over BC. Quantifying exactly what the team payrolls will be is useless, because we don't know.

What I do know is that SEC schools are projected to receive something in the neighborhood of $75M this year, and that's expected to exceed $100M by 2028. This ACC, as we know, is and will be significantly less. And that's even before things hitting the fan and the conference dismantling.

On top of that, NIL isn't going away. And since Alabama's NIL is estimated to be in the top dozen or so in the country, while BC's NIL is obviously nowhere near that (it was estimated to be 65th in one article I found), I think the only way BC's total pool of player monies is going to be competing with Alabama's any time soon would be in one's imagination. That conference payout money is absolutely going to find its way to the NIL sector if it has to (i.e. if the $20M cap holds up in court), thus creating a gap that is even larger than the already huge gap that exists.

The TV revenue money doesn't win an extra game. It's essentially useless. I mean, OK, yes, it can buy better coaches and that's really important but that's all it can do.

If the $20 million salary cap holds, all I am saying is that Bama basketball and BC basketball will be on a more level playing field if BC chooses to pay their basketball players more per player than their football team. Maybe there's a school out there who says eff football for a year or 2 and let's try to win a bball NC. I wished Pitt would do this.

Off subject but would you take 1 year of 0-12 Pitt football for a $20 million bball player payroll and Final Four? I would.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

The TV revenue money doesn't win an extra game. It's essentially useless. I mean, OK, yes, it can buy better coaches and that's really important but that's all it can do.

If the $20 million salary cap holds, all I am saying is that Bama basketball and BC basketball will be on a more level playing field if BC chooses to pay their basketball players more per player than their football team. Maybe there's a school out there who says eff football for a year or 2 and let's try to win a bball NC. I wished Pitt would do this.

Off subject but would you take 1 year of 0-12 Pitt football for a $20 million bball player payroll and Final Four? I would.

It's not useless. We have an "Athletic Director's Fund" where you donate to it and the school decides where the money goes. One of the places it could end up, if I understand correctly, is A412. So schools are already funding NIL in a roundabout way. Look at OK State with Gundy, for instance.

And even if they weren't funding NIL, it still wouldn't be different because Alabama's NIL would be ahead of BC's by exactly what it is now. If Alabama has $20M total in NIL and BC has $2M, the new total player salaries would just be $40M and $22M.

And yes I would take that, because I don't see much difference in going 6-6 vs 0-12. But it'll never happen because football rosters are harder to manage than basketball. You can't just replace the entire team in one offseason as easily.

 

[ebonylover40]

I think everything will go up as a result of this revenue sharing. And I think Alabama enjoys being good at basketball and makes money off it. So $8M/year within the next few years wouldn't surprise me.

I don't think they care as little about basketball as some people want to believe they do.

I mean, I agree that if BC just says F football and sinks a ton of money into basketball they can close the gap. But how is that any different from how it is now? Pitt could have paid its football team much less and doubled its basketball money if they really wanted to (provided the people who donated the money were okay with it).

Because the money maker for the university is not basketball, its football. That is why teams invest more to football. If BC does go all in on basketball, the university well suffer. Basketball simply do not generate enough revenue to recoup the money put into it. It is foolish for a university to put most if not all the money in basketball.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It's not useless. We have an "Athletic Director's Fund" where you donate to it and the school decides where the money goes. One of the places it could end up, if I understand correctly, is A412. So schools are already funding NIL in a roundabout way. Look at OK State with Gundy, for instance.

And even if they weren't funding NIL, it still wouldn't be different because Alabama's NIL would be ahead of BC's by exactly what it is now. If Alabama has $20M total in NIL and BC has $2M, the new total player salaries would just be $40M and $22M.

And yes I would take that, because I don't see much difference in going 6-6 vs 0-12. But it'll never happen because football rosters are harder to manage than basketball. You can't just replace the entire team in one offseason as easily.

The AD Fund email was written intentionally vague because the House settlement isn't final. The way I understand it, the AD Fund is the player/payroll Fund. Pitt is going to pay $20 million so if it can raise $5 million from boosters, then they only have to pay $15 million. Pitt doesn't have the donor base to fund this AND a booster collective so my feeling is that A412 will be done.

What you suggest makes no sense but then again, none of this does. You are suggesting that instead of me donating to A412, I donate to Pitt and then they give my money to A412 so that my contribution isn't counted toward the $20 million. So why not just donate directly to A412 if that's where the money is going? I think A412 is done.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

The AD Fund email was written intentionally vague because the House settlement isn't final. The way I understand it, the AD Fund is the player/payroll Fund. Pitt is going to pay $20 million so if it can raise $5 million from boosters, then they only have to pay $15 million. Pitt doesn't have the donor base to fund this AND a booster collective so my feeling is that A412 will be done.

What you suggest makes no sense but then again, none of this does. You are suggesting that instead of me donating to A412, I donate to Pitt and then they give my money to A412 so that my contribution isn't counted toward the $20 million. So why not just donate directly to A412 if that's where the money is going? I think A412 is done.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there are three parts to this:

1) The revenue sharing piece, of which schools are permitted to pay up to $20.5M however they see fit

2) NIL - no cap

3) NIL backpay settlement - I believe the NCAA is handling the schools' portions due in the form of lesser payouts over the next ten years

So, yeah, Pitt will probably need donor support just to be able to reach that $20.5M figure in #1. We are in agreement there. And yeah - it very well may decimate their NIL collective.

However, Alabama and company will not need any help hitting the $20.5M. They will cover that easily with the conference payout. And they will have plenty left over to cover athletic dept expenses (coaching salaries, travel, facility upgrades, etc.), because they're about to receive exorbitant amounts of money for this new TV deal.

So, whereas Pitt will be lucky to hit the $20.5 figure, Alabama will hit it and tell all their donors to only donate to NIL, not the athletic dept. Multiple schools (Ole Miss was one) have already done that this past year.

So, at the end of the day, the total player payment disparity is going to be AT LEAST the same as it is now. Probably more, because as you mentioned yourself, Pitt may need to direct funds away from its NIL just to cover the first $20.5M.

And then I said that I don't think the schools are as restricted from funding NIL as people think (that's the only reason I used the AD Fund example at Pitt; I wasn't saying what you interpreted it as). So, since Alabama will probably have some money left over, they'll probably throw that into NIL on top of it all.

So, for the entire athletic dept, let's say right now it is:

Alabama
Paying players $0 from the school
Paying players $20M from the NIL collective

Pitt
Paying players $0 from the school
Paying players $7M from the NIL collective

$13M difference

What I am saying to you is the future is probably going to look something more like this:

Alabama
Paying players $20.5M from the school
Paying players $32M from the NIL collective

Pitt
Paying players $20.5 from the school
Paying players $2M from the NIL collective

$30M difference

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there are three parts to this:

1) The revenue sharing piece, of which schools are permitted to pay up to $20.5M however they see fit

2) NIL - no cap

3) NIL backpay settlement - I believe the NCAA is handling the schools' portions due in the form of lesser payouts over the next ten years

So, yeah, Pitt will probably need donor support just to be able to reach that $20.5M figure in #1. We are in agreement there. And yeah - it very well may decimate their NIL collective.

However, Alabama and company will not need any help hitting the $20.5M. They will cover that easily with the conference payout. And they will have plenty left over to cover athletic dept expenses (coaching salaries, travel, facility upgrades, etc.), because they're about to receive exorbitant amounts of money for this new TV deal.

So, whereas Pitt will be lucky to hit the $20.5 figure, Alabama will hit it and tell all their donors to only donate to NIL, not the athletic dept. Multiple schools (Ole Miss was one) have already done that this past year.

So, at the end of the day, the total player payment disparity is going to be AT LEAST the same as it is now. Probably more, because as you mentioned yourself, Pitt may need to direct funds away from its NIL just to cover the first $20.5M.

And then I said that I don't think the schools are as restricted from funding NIL as people think (that's the only reason I used the AD Fund example at Pitt; I wasn't saying what you interpreted it as). So, since Alabama will probably have some money left over, they'll probably throw that into NIL on top of it all.

So, for the entire athletic dept, let's say right now it is:

Alabama
Paying players $0 from the school
Paying players $20M from the NIL collective

Pitt
Paying players $0 from the school
Paying players $7M from the NIL collective

$13M difference

What I am saying to you is the future is probably going to look something more like this:

Alabama
Paying players $20.5M from the school
Paying players $32M from the NIL collective

Pitt
Paying players $20.5 from the school
Paying players $2M from the NIL collective

$30M difference

Run those numbers again just as bball only. Football is a lost cause and I'm not thinking about football.

 

[12162022]

Yes, his passing ability and court vision are good. He just needs time. Freshman are freshman. He'll do well somewhere.

Isn't he 22 or so?

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Run those numbers again just as bball only. Football is a lost cause and I'm not thinking about football.

What's to run? Alabama has a lot more money than BC now, and that number is only going up as the TV revenue increases.

If Alabama's NIL is $20M right now and $4M is going to basketball, why would that ratio change much? What you're suggesting is BC only caring about basketball, not football, and I'm saying schools (like Pitt) could do that right now if they really wanted to. They're not, so why would that change in the next few years?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What's to run? Alabama has a lot more money than BC now, and that number is only going up as the TV revenue increases.

If Alabama's NIL is $20M right now and $4M is going to basketball, why would that ratio change much? What you're suggesting is BC only caring about basketball, not football, and I'm saying schools (like Pitt) could do that right now if they really wanted to. They're not, so why would that change in the next few years?

Because I think a place like Alabama is going to devote a higher percentage of rev share and higher percentage of booster NIL to football than BC will. I think basketball money between Bama and BC will be somewhat close and keep in mind we are talking about 2 extremes here. How about Pitt and Vanderbilt? Pitt and Missouri. Pitt and Mississippi or Mississippi State. Pitt will be right there.

 

[Atilla Cosby]

Isn't he 22 or so?

20 last I heard. He's still a freshman in another country playing what he described as a different and more physical game. I'm 46 and I'd still be a bad freshman if I started playing today.

 

[Black_Man_Panther]

The AD Fund email was written intentionally vague because the House settlement isn't final. The way I understand it, the AD Fund is the player/payroll Fund. Pitt is going to pay $20 million so if it can raise $5 million from boosters, then they only have to pay $15 million. Pitt doesn't have the donor base to fund this AND a booster collective so my feeling is that A412 will be done.

What you suggest makes no sense but then again, none of this does. You are suggesting that instead of me donating to A412, I donate to Pitt and then they give my money to A412 so that my contribution isn't counted toward the $20 million. So why not just donate directly to A412 if that's where the money is going? I think A412 is done.

Where do you get your information? Because it is WRONG. NIL Collectives are NOT going away. Read and learn:
https://businessofcollegesports.com/legal/10-questions-answered-about-the-ncaas-house-settlement/

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Where do you get your information? Because it is WRONG. NIL Collectives are NOT going away. Read and learn:
https://businessofcollegesports.com/legal/10-questions-answered-about-the-ncaas-house-settlement/

I mean places like Pitt can't have both. So the AD Fund seems like it will replace A412.

And even if they kept A412, it would have to be for legitimate business deals not paying $1 million to appear at an animal shelter. Only fair market value deals run through a clearinghouse. And like none of these are real, actual, business deals. College athletes aren't marketable.

 

[Pitt79]

Twins were fun and unique. Just disappointing because I through we would eventually would have two high level ACC staters on the floor together. Just never got strong enough.

A little sad too because I think they were part of the recent better culture. Never forget them going absolutely nuts when the manager white kid got a layup against Cuse

The seemed like good, team-oriented dudes for sure, but they were the body type where they could eat at Primanti's 3 times a day and not gain weight.

 

[TD_6082]

Revenue sharing isn't going to level a damn thing when we're talking about the elite schools. The BIG and SEC schools will comfortably cover all athletic dept/revenue sharing costs from their tv contracts alone, and they'll devote every fan/booster dollar to NIL.

Schools like BC will be telling their fans to give to some general fund where they can distribute to the athletic dept vs revenue sharing vs NIL... and, ultimately, they'll need almost every dollar just to get up to that $20M. So everything will be the same in relativity.

Yes.

I think it will actually help the Big 10 and SEC put more distance between them and everyone else.

 

[neench]

The $20 million is for all sports. And yes, a school that only has basketball will have an advantage. They could, in theory, spend $20 million on a basketball roster but it's doubtful that any of them will do that. $10 million? Yea, maybe.

Don't you think that some BB only schools like Bradley, Xavier, Villanova or Marquette with dedicated alumni will be able to match $20M?

 

[PittPharm2002]

The TV revenue money doesn't win an extra game. It's essentially useless. I mean, OK, yes, it can buy better coaches and that's really important but that's all it can do.

If the $20 million salary cap holds, all I am saying is that Bama basketball and BC basketball will be on a more level playing field if BC chooses to pay their basketball players more per player than their football team. Maybe there's a school out there who says eff football for a year or 2 and let's try to win a bball NC. I wished Pitt would do this.

Off subject but would you take 1 year of 0-12 Pitt football for a $20 million bball player payroll and Final Four? I would.

You’re taking stupid , again

 

[PittPharm2002]

Where do you get your information? Because it is WRONG. NIL Collectives are NOT going away. Read and learn:
https://businessofcollegesports.com/legal/10-questions-answered-about-the-ncaas-house-settlement/

His info always comes from the same place .
He bowel movements

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

His info always comes from the same place .
He bowel movements

That article is 1 year old.

Of course the House Settlement doesn't eliminate booster collectives but it does 2 things that could make them obsolete at most schools:

1. The establishment of a clearinghouse where all NIL deals will have to be reported to see if they are at fair market value. Right now, these are all pay for play, which is still against NCAA rules but they are looking the other way. The "pay for play" NIL will move to the universities. So Pitt can pay a player $1 million for the use of his NIL on a billboard and although that isnt worth $1 million, the NCAA wont monitor that. They will monitor booster payments now, until they lose a lawsuit.

2. Schools like Pitt (most schools) don't have the booster base to do both. Some SEC and B10 schools do where OSU can pay out $20 million and then their donors can donate another $20 million to the collective. Places like Pitt will just tell donors to donate to that Athletic Director's Fund and that will be the $20 million pool to pay the players. So maybe Pitt donors donate $5 million to the AD Fund and then Pitt pays the other $15 million. Its rather silly for a school like Pitt to have 2 of these player payment funds. A412 may still exist but, until a lawsuit is won, will have to pay fair market value deals. So if you want to pay a player $2500 to do a commercial for your roofing company, maybe you pay A412 as the intermediary.

 

[PittPharm2002]

That article is 1 year old.

Of course the House Settlement doesn't eliminate booster collectives but it does 2 things that could make them obsolete at most schools:

1. The establishment of a clearinghouse where all NIL deals will have to be reported to see if they are at fair market value. Right now, these are all pay for play, which is still against NCAA rules but they are looking the other way. The "pay for play" NIL will move to the universities. So Pitt can pay a player $1 million for the use of his NIL on a billboard and although that isnt worth $1 million, the NCAA wont monitor that. They will monitor booster payments now, until they lose a lawsuit.

2. Schools like Pitt (most schools) don't have the booster base to do both. Some SEC and B10 schools do where OSU can pay out $20 million and then their donors can donate another $20 million to the collective. Places like Pitt will just tell donors to donate to that Athletic Director's Fund and that will be the $20 million pool to pay the players. So maybe Pitt donors donate $5 million to the AD Fund and then Pitt pays the other $15 million. Its rather silly for a school like Pitt to have 2 of these player payment funds. A412 may still exist but, until a lawsuit is won, will have to pay fair market value deals. So if you want to pay a player $2500 to do a commercial for your roofing company, maybe you pay A412 as the intermediary.

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[thebadby2]

Sad to lose Delalic. Kid has potential. Wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him thrive someplace else.

Delacic could have become a good player in a better-coached system, and probably will become one somewhere else. If anyone's still waiting for Capel to deliver at Pitt, I have news for you.....

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I saw the twins in a practice as freshman just knocking down threes like they were layups . They just never were able to do it when it counts enough to be real assets . Their body types just don’t allow them to gain the strength and bulk one needs to play underneath at this level . They put out 100% effort unfortunately they just aren’t good enough to be difference makers at this level . Wish them well wherever they end up . Can’t see this as a positive for Pitt because nobody on the bench took PT away from them .

Amsal coming in was too hyped , he’s talented , but not enough so to instantly make an impact . The speed of the game was too fast for him this year . Will it slow down for him , who knows . Will he be better in a more structured offense , who knows . I’d have liked to see him stay another season to find out . This is a loss for the program.

All three were on student visa’s which means their NIL payments were limited …just putting that out there .

Forcing schools to fund their athletes to the tune of 20 million doesn’t mean it equalizes the playing field , there will still be the haves and the have nots and schools like Pitt who will fall somewhere in the middle who can’t compete with the haves .

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

All three were on student visa’s which means their NIL payments were limited …just putting that out there .

How many times do I have to say this isn't true. The only limitations they had is they couldn't do real "work" for real NIL. Inotherwords, they couldn't do commercials or guest appearances. And how many of those did you see Lowe, Leggett, etc doing? The answer is 0 because the true market value of college players is close to $0. That's why they have to do the booster pay for play NILs because they have no value to businesses. A412 sent the foreign kids back home to appear at a fake basketball camp to get their $100K or whatever they got. That's the workaround

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Don't you think that some BB only schools like Bradley, Xavier, Villanova or Marquette with dedicated alumni will be able to match $20M?

The Big East level schools might be able to, but if someone does it at a much lower level than that they will surely be an outlier.

The AAC, which is pretty high level after the P5 and which also plays football, has told their membership that if the House settlement gets approved they will need to pay out $10 million in "House money". Not each year, over a three year period. So $3.3 million per year.

Most schools at that level aren't going to have the money, barring a sugar daddy writing a huge check every year, to come anywhere close to $20 million per year from the school like the power conference schools are going to spend.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The Big East level schools might be able to, but if someone does it at a much lower level than that they will surely be an outlier.

The AAC, which is pretty high level after the P5 and which also plays football, has told their membership that if the House settlement gets approved they will need to pay out $10 million in "House money". Not each year, over a three year period. So $3.3 million per year.

Most schools at that level aren't going to have the money, barring a sugar daddy writing a huge check every year, to come anywhere close to $20 million per year from the school like the power conference schools are going to spend.

Heard Nova is telling prospective coaches that the player budget is $6 million/year.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Heard Nova is telling prospective coaches that the player budget is $6 million/year.

That would have been impressive this year. It will be much less impressive, but still competitive, in the next few.

 

[JD1976]

Heard Nova is telling prospective coaches that the player budget is $6 million/year.

Kevin Willard seems to be looking for a new start so maybe there’s a fit there.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Kevin Willard seems to be looking for a new start so maybe there’s a fit there.

Yea it's probably going to be Willard to Nova. I wonder who Maryland goes after? Brownell? Chris Mack? Jerrod Calhoun? If I'm ADAG, I tell Maryland that I waive his buyout and pay half his salary if they take Capel.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Yea it's probably going to be Willard to Nova. I wonder who Maryland goes after? Brownell? Chris Mack? Jerrod Calhoun? If I'm ADAG, I tell Maryland that I waive his buyout and pay half his salary if they take Capel.

And if he does that, ADAG will be laughed at far and wide.

You’re better off sticking with your “maybe he’ll be honorable and quit” gag. That’s at least a bit less insane in terms of realistically happening.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

GDG to San Francisco

 

[FireballZ]

GDG to San Francisco

Better than I thought. Solid program. He's going to need a pretty large tent.

 

[JD1976]

BBInsider will no doubt be volunteering to handle the scouting report for Pepperdine’s 2 meetings with them.