their conference has proven to be weak and they went 0-2 against OOC power 5 schools Pitt and USC. Need to step up and play some better competition and be prepared to compete.
UPS needs to play a better schedule
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They have to join the ACC to do it!
Why bother when you can pile up wins against low tier competition and land in the rose bowl?
The B1G schedule is made for them, and they did play Mich, OSU, and Wisconsin in the title game. Even though the B1G was weaker than perceived, those teams were still good. The OOC of Kent St, Pitt, and Temple is not overwhelming, but Temple was not bad and beat them the year before. Let's just give them credit for finishing the season strong and having a good year, probably ending in top 10. Personally I will lay low till next Sept, as they think they will crush Pitt. So, Pitt has nothing to lose in the on-going discussion between the two schools. Pitt will be the underdog, and a revenge motive for them. A Pitt win will be unexpected there, and certainly gratifying.
ups needs to be expelled from college football for what happened
in their showers!
That is what needs to happen!
in their showers!
That is what needs to happen!
I think the top of the big ten had good teams, but we saw what the problem was. It was tough to tell how good they were compared to the top teams in America because they won so many games against cupcakes. It's not a bad conference at all, but saying best from top to bottom is the dumbest statement ever made in sports. The bottom is an embarrassment, that right there disqualifies the conference from that statement being true.
Wake me up when they beat a quality team on the their field. Spare me the Wiscy discussion since the QB that played due to Hornibrook being hurt could not throw the ball more than 15 yards down field.
yes, that weak one.
NW finding a way to defeat us by one score with our scout team QB playing the 4th quarter in no way invalidates the statement that the Big Ten is weak.
This silly idea that because Pitt lost to Northwestern that somehow comments about the Big Ten being weak are not valid is ridiculous.
The Big Ten sycophants all said that the top of the big 10 was better than any conference in America.
Well, the top six teams in the Big Ten went 1-5 in the bowls, and the one win was over a MAC team.
The b1g bowl record was poor. UPS was banging their chests going into their bowl game about how great they were and this post is simply stating the fact that while they beat many teams in the b1g this season, the overall league was not very good.
As long as slippin Jimmy is at PSU he will schedule cupcakes out of conference. When the current series is over Penn St will avoid Pitt like the plague and Duzz will continue to take a real challenge ooc.
Yes, penn State is good. But they beat a bunch of lousy teams for the most part. That's undeniable.
Well, interesting that Penn State only 3 losses were by 3 points to PITT & USC in high scoring games and blow out by Michigan. The In Between Weak Big Ten Cupcakes were close second half wins much like Temple too.
So, Penn State's close Loss to PITT early on was not much different than Penn State last game loss to USC? Everything in between were Lucky catches against weaker Teams and Programs to be honest.
Funny, Penn State loss its Bowl Game by 3, Pitt by 7, and WVU blown away! Again, the Teams & Programs were very even as I suspected all year long and not much difference between 11-3, 10-3, and 8-5 when one looks at the Schedules and PITT Beat the Tougher Teams and in Close Losses & wins, versus Penn State with an easier Schedule and WVU in a Conference that had only 4 Winning teams and WVU was one of those 4 Teams?
Penn State was the best in the Big Ten at 11-3, PITT was the Best 8-5 Team in CFB beating and playing better Teams, and WVU at 10-3 with beating no ranked teams at 10-3 was the weakest. But all 3 are very even, with PSU getting edge for 2017, and PITT and WVU should having Winning Seasons again in 2017.
We shall see and i will put up an Analysis of all 3 after the final rankings for counterpoints, arguments and analysis by other posters and hope many comment on it.
They thought they scheduled a cupcake when they scheduled Pitt.
Yep bad loss to a mediocre team...who took out Pitt's QB and top RB with illegal helmet to helmet hits, best OL by rolling up his leg, starting safety with a cut block by Carr and our the best run stuffing DL by rolling up his leg as well
..... is 2-0 against James from State College.
What would've happened to your team had your starting QB and your outstanding running back gotten knocked-out of the game by cheap shots?
Your Cryin' Coach screamed and wailed like a little girl when Pitt's defense was clapping their hands. Imagine how he would've responded had your best players gotten targeted - and if no penalties were called - which is what happened to Pitt in its bowl game.
But what's more important is that when Pitt played their starters, Pitt beat Penn State.
In head-to-head competition, on September 10, 2016 (and I'll type it slowly, so that it's easier for you to read and understand):
Pitt. Beat. Penn State.
Once again, you couldn't be further from the truth. No one was beating their chests, and knew USC was a really good team. Everyone said they were, and you said they would kill Penn State. Both teams proved they are the real deal. Unfortunately, you never give any team their just due no matter who they are.
The topic is schedule. The bowl game was not part of the schedule. Try to follow the ball.
You specifically stated they were going into the bowl game beating their chests. First off, they would be the team. Fans don't matter. They were not beating their chests, quite the opposite. The players said nothing about the playoff, and stated that publically.
My post stated Ped St was beating their chests going into the bowl game and the teams they preyed on were in the crappy b1g.
I thought Ped st played very well in the bowl game.
Since you hang on our board and are a Ped st fan I would like to know your thoughts on Godwin declaring. He is a beast and a game changer.
I thought Ped st played very well in the bowl game.
Since you hang on our board and are a Ped st fan I would like to know your thoughts on Godwin declaring. He is a beast and a game changer.
Godwin was the Nits' Tyler Boyd - their "go to, catch anything" guy. After his performance in the Rose Bowl, he should have nothing more to prove, but it's his call.
If he decides to stay, I'm sure that the Carnival Barker will break-out in sobs and give him a big smooch.
I think he's more of a possession receiver in the NFL. Great hands. Right know, I know he is back and forth on going. He also knows what comes back, and an upgraded O line. I believe he goes as he has nothing left to prove.
If "fans don't matter" why do you nitters constantly beat your chests (and you do) about attendance????
So it matters, when you say it matters?
No. Fans don't matter representing what the team does and says. Fans are not in the locker room.
But fans in the stands are not on the field, but according to nitters, they are some how a measuring stick as to the success of a program. Does attendance represent the success of program or is it what the players do that ultimately determines success or failure?
All they did, they just did not know it was the Big Ten that was the Big Pretend Cake in 2016 and like an Old Stale Cake, had stiff Crumbs falling apart on the Big Pretend Edges when exposed to Real Teams in the Bowl Games even with flaws and all!
As stated many times, going by the Records is what a Child looks at and defends and yells and cries about, but Adult know better and looks at a closer analysis of how those games are won and lost and against whom and the Big Ten needs to take on more SEC & ACC Teams too. Same with Big-12!
Winning & Losing Close Games against Bigger & Better Competition is more than Wins. If not, then just declare Western Michigan at 13-1 the National Championships.
The CFB Invite Playoff Committee needs to cause it to happen, if it wants better Playoffs! Thank goodnessCLEMSON at 13-1 and BAMA at 14-0 are still playing.
LINK TO THINK:
ACC 50-17 0.70594%*
SEC 48-18 0.66946%*
P12 29-13 0.64635%
B10 35-17 0.64626%
B12 23-13 0.58828%
AAC 33-22 0.55107%
ACC-B10-SEC GAMES:
ACC WINS OVER SEC:
1. Clemson 19, Auburn 13
2. Florida St 45, Mississippi 34
3. Georgia Tech 38, Vanderbilt 7
4. Clemson 56, South Carolina 7
5. Florida St 31, Florida 13
6. Georgia Tech 28, Georgia 27
7. Virginia Tech 35, Arkansas 24
8. Georgia Tech 33, Kentucky 18
9. NC State 41, Vanderbilt 17
ACC WINS OVER BIG TEN:
1. North Carolina 48, Illinois 23
2. Pittsburgh 42, Penn St 39
3. Wake Forest 33, Indiana 28
4. Boston Coll 36, Maryland 30
5. Clemson 31, Ohio St 0
6. Florida St 33, Michigan 32
SEC WINS OVER ACC:
1. North Carolina 24, Georgia 33
2. Virginia Tech 24, Tennessee 45
3. Louisville 38, Kentucky 41
4. Louisville 9, LSU 29
BAMA-CLEMSON PENDING*
BIG TEN WINS OVER ACC:
1. Northwestern 24, Duke 13
2. Northwestern 31, Pittsburgh 24
SEC WINS OVER BIG TEN:
1. Florida 30, Iowa 3
2. Tennessee 38, Nebraska 24
BIG TEN WINS OVER SEC:
1. LSU 14, Wisconsin 16
LINK:
http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html
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Ultimately, it's the players and staff as far as winning. However, no fans, no game. They still don't speak for the team.
So to be clear: Players and coaches ultimately determines success as far as winning on the field.
However...
You are also saying "no fans, no game". Which I interpret as meaning that attendance does reflect a sense of program success as well. Correct?
So let me pose this question: Has the success of the football programs at Boise St and TCU over the last 15 years been marginalized because their attendance has been less than desirable? Boise St around 35,000 and TCU 46,000 in 2015.
there you go again, seeking validation from Pitt fans on a Pitt board.
Well they loaded up their 2017 schedule with Pitt, Akron and Georgia.......State that is, all at home. Appalachian State and Kent State coming to Beaver stadium in 2018. There ya go.
It looks to me like all other things equal, a win over something like FIU or ODU (all while listening to ELO or OMD!) instead of a loss to Pitt probably would have landed them in the playoff this year.
That's not going to encourage them or anyone else to schedule tougher ooc schedules.
That's not going to encourage them or anyone else to schedule tougher ooc schedules.
Here's the bottom line. If Penn st played Pitt schedule. They would of had 5 losses in the very least.
And as far as Pitt's bowl loss, I am not one who is looking to denigrate the Big 10 or pump up the ACC, I'm not wired that way...all P5 have generally good quality teams up and down, imo.
But the NW loss was far far far more due to Pitt's own self-inflicted miscues, big plays that we didn't finish (long Henderson runs where he didn't score), missed FG, and the huge late drop by Orndoff, normally a clutch guy. And the key injuries of course (not gonna gripe about the targeting or lack thereof...injuries happen).
They did some things well, but Northwestern happened to be the lucky recipient. They weren't particularly impressive (or unimpressive for that matter).
And that's largely the reason we lost. Imo ANY opponent likely beats us last week.
I think that's true of the Miami loss too, frankly. Miami got lucky getting us on a crappy day. The UNC and Ok st were more "legit" losses to me. And to be fair, we got PSU on a "B" or worse for the first half of that game (and the final pass of course). Perhaps it would have forced us to keep our foot on the pedal longer in that game (as we should have) so I'm not going to say we'd have lost otherwise. Just that sometimes it's more their bad play rather than your good play, and vice versa.
But the NW loss was far far far more due to Pitt's own self-inflicted miscues, big plays that we didn't finish (long Henderson runs where he didn't score), missed FG, and the huge late drop by Orndoff, normally a clutch guy. And the key injuries of course (not gonna gripe about the targeting or lack thereof...injuries happen).
They did some things well, but Northwestern happened to be the lucky recipient. They weren't particularly impressive (or unimpressive for that matter).
And that's largely the reason we lost. Imo ANY opponent likely beats us last week.
I think that's true of the Miami loss too, frankly. Miami got lucky getting us on a crappy day. The UNC and Ok st were more "legit" losses to me. And to be fair, we got PSU on a "B" or worse for the first half of that game (and the final pass of course). Perhaps it would have forced us to keep our foot on the pedal longer in that game (as we should have) so I'm not going to say we'd have lost otherwise. Just that sometimes it's more their bad play rather than your good play, and vice versa.
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