Vader Recruiting: Horton, Odukale, And Early Thoughts on Next Year
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Man, am I glad this thread from April was responded to today
by Murphy. If you have time, go back and read through it. The
OP (Vader) provides a lot of analysis and conjecture, but is
"over exuberant" in regards to our recruits and transfers.
According to him Horton is going to start and "open up our
entire offense." He also projects him to have an offensive rating
of" around 110 or better." Hmm...."over exuberant maybe? LOL
Now, it's only two games in so far and a lot can change.
Seriously though, ask your self.....How do our panthers look at
this point and how do you feel about their chances this year?
It's interesting to see what we posted April 11 and 12th as
opposed to what we're seeing at this point.
Karim Coulibaly is 12th in the entire country with an offensive power rating of 177.5 ORTG with 2 games played. If the minimum sample size of at least 2 games played is used by every single player in all of D1 basketball, Coulibaly is ranked 1st in the entire Nation on offense in ORTG right now over everybody.
For clarification purposes, I said again the other day and said I expect Horton to be between 100-110+ ORTG for the entire season.
If your goal is to say I told you so we can revisit this after this season and after his career is over. If I am wrong, lll own it. To judge anything after 2 games is asinine.
I would have thought some of you would have calmed down after Trey Mcgowens looked like a hero against Mcneese State (352nd worst defense in the entire country out of 357 total teams) only to put up a 0 point with 4 foul game against Nevada with an ORTG of 22 when he collapsed again against a team with an actual pulse.
Yeah, we Pitt fans can all be ‘exuberantly’ happy that these transfers and recruits haven’t turned out near as well as Vader or anyone else made em out to be!!
Don't be so defensive. The "goal" isn't to say "I told you so"....the
point made was about you being "over exuberant" regarding
recruits and transfers. I posted it then, and stand by it today.
Go re read it, it was reposted by another poster today.
You had Horton as the reason our offense is going to improve
dramatically. I posted today...it's still early and "a lot can
change." I didn't say he had no chance....but I did say based
on what we've seen so far, doesn't look that good.
Coulibaly??.....you can use any set of statistics you want,
but he is a far cry from the player you're touting. His play
last year supports that. Actually I like him, he works hard,
hustles and due to our limitations inside, will start...at least
for the time being.
Those are my opinions, they differ from yours, no biggie.
IMO you're gonna look silly with this in a couple months. At least the Horton part.
Well it wouldn't be the first time in my life.
Don't take my word for it.....check out some of
the other posters who disagree with you.
Now, once again...if you read my post you'd notice
that I said it's only two games and a lot can
change. Didn't exactly throw him under the bus.
So far though...he doesn't look like how he was
cracked up to be.
He sure doesn't. But he will at least be a solid scorer when he settles in IMO. Like the shot, like the 1st step, don't like the "jitters", or the poor defense. I predict his adjustment period will take several more games.
Some of this dialogue has me LMFAO. I remember the Post of Vader wrecking on his hover board. That shit is funny as hell. Right now I have to agree that Vader may have been a bit over exuberant about our recruits.
What I like tho, is this year I think there is more overall talent on this team and there is more size and length also. Because of that, I think we are going to be able to really evaluate Capel and his staff because this team should make progress as the year goes on.
I have been told by the almighty Bballinsider that the staff sucks. Therefore, perhaps we will get worse and lose every ACC game and he will come on here and say I told you so. Myself, I think Capel might find the right combinations, but, it will take time. If we don't improve, then I will name Bballinsider as the new professor of the Lair.
What I like tho, is this year I think there is more overall talent on this team and there is more size and length also. Because of that, I think we are going to be able to really evaluate Capel and his staff because this team should make progress as the year goes on.
I have been told by the almighty Bballinsider that the staff sucks. Therefore, perhaps we will get worse and lose every ACC game and he will come on here and say I told you so. Myself, I think Capel might find the right combinations, but, it will take time. If we don't improve, then I will name Bballinsider as the new professor of the Lair.
Agree. I hold out hope that this team can come together and play as a unit of five, most especially on defense. If we defend and rebound 3-5 ACC wins shouldn't be to big a stretch. Here is to hoping the staff does not totally suck. If you are right, it could be another last place finish.
Ok, I can go along with that. I hope he does come around.
Let's calm down and step back for a couple of months, at least. None of these freshmen has proven a thing yet. And the upperclassmen haven't either. To be honest, neither has Capel going into his third year. But it's to the point now that things have to change this year and dramatically or a lot of people will be asking a lot of questions.
Yup, can’t understand how people are ready to boot Capel but at the same time are okay with Narduzzi, pathetic football and another garbage bowl game???
I’m not ok with either but Narduzzi has won the 3rd most ACC games in his tenure. Capel is 9-29 in the ACC with two last place finishes and people are talking about him going to Duke.
Do we live in reality?
Not right now, it’s about the same as saying Narduzzi is taking over for Saban...and that sure isn’t going to happen. This being said, Capel is only in year three. Agree he needs to get this going but holy smoker smackers!
I’m not saying to fire Capel by any stretch of the imagination. You can’t even discuss it until year 5. I’m saying it would be insane to fire Narduzzi as basically a top 3-4 ACC program while employing a BBall coach who has accomplished nothing to date.
And this comes as a fan who absolutely loathes Narduzzi and thinks he sucks.
agreed. 2 games in and jumping to conclusions based on performance. You can see who will get minutes and who won't, but judging a kid based on 2 games when a) hasn't play in 2 years b) playing for a new team c) playing in an unprecedented pandemic is extremely amateur analysis.
I disagree w you a lot but agree here. Capel going to Duke at this point is laughable. That said I think he can win here, but the clock is ticking.
I'd like to bury the hatchet. I've said some stuff on here to offend you, but rather than continuing to fight, lets just have some genuine convo's about our beloved Panthers. We both are rooting for the same outcome.
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Love the holiday spirit... what’s next , PittPoker and CMUandPitt making up????
Lol no worries man. Spirited arguments about Pitt and inside info is just as good as anything else to keep us sane during these times
PS: life ain’t worth livin without rivalries
The two yrs prior to getting the Duke job Coach K was 14-11 and 9-17 at Army so anything is possible .
Not Duke.bb , but Paul Christ was 19-19 over 3 yrs at Pitt and Wisconsin isnt a bad job .
If Coach K retires tomorrow JC has no chance , in two yrs from now who knows if he‘s able to make Pitt a representative ACC team what could he do at Duke ?
Some good points made in your post, especially the comparison to
Chryst going to Wisconsin.
Chryst coached at Wisconsin, was an Assistant there, and played there.
Capel coached at Duke, was an assistant there, and played there.
Like you said, "in two years who knows." But I personally doubt it.
On the other hand since you called Chryst, Christ...who knows, maybe
they both walk on water.
Never been good with names !Some good points made in your post, especially the comparison to
Chryst going to Wisconsin.
Chryst coached at Wisconsin, was an Assistant there, and played there.
Capel coached at Duke, was an assistant there, and played there.
Like you said, "in two years who knows." But I personally doubt it.
On the other hand since you called Chryst, Christ...who knows, maybe
they both walk on water.
