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No, i never brought up TV ratings..
More people watching doesnt mean its better either... Justin Bieber has a shit load of fans, it doesn't make him a great artist.
I stopped reading your posts because you're delusional and you back tracked.
Again, the people who are paid to talk about college football agree with me, not you. Have a nice life. Block
Too many pswho obsessed people on these boards...
Pitt could win the National Championship in a few years in very similar Fashion to Clemson with a strong, deep team on Offense and Defense and solid Special Teams, with say Kenny Pickett being a great athletic QB....
And some posters would immediately try and make the whole thing a comparison to penn state lol.
WHO CARES --- If I gave a CRAP about penn state except beating them when WE play them in Football or Basketball, I would have GONE THERE, and I would GIVE THEM MY MONEY lol, yikes!
Man, some people must have been Stalkers after a break-up.
pswho doesn't want to play Pitt --- TOO MUCH TO LOSE for an out-of conference they only want to focus 150% on Big-Ten, Big-Ten, Big-Ten, and they say and to heck with everything else! So FINE! Let it BE, time to move on! I care about PITT and what available options are best FOR PITT, Period!
WVU is Big-12 and Nationally Relevant now like Pitt being ACC --- they WANT to play ANNUALLY, home and home, Let's do IT!
Pitt could win the National Championship in a few years in very similar Fashion to Clemson with a strong, deep team on Offense and Defense and solid Special Teams, with say Kenny Pickett being a great athletic QB....
And some posters would immediately try and make the whole thing a comparison to penn state lol.
WHO CARES --- If I gave a CRAP about penn state except beating them when WE play them in Football or Basketball, I would have GONE THERE, and I would GIVE THEM MY MONEY lol, yikes!
Man, some people must have been Stalkers after a break-up.
pswho doesn't want to play Pitt --- TOO MUCH TO LOSE for an out-of conference they only want to focus 150% on Big-Ten, Big-Ten, Big-Ten, and they say and to heck with everything else! So FINE! Let it BE, time to move on! I care about PITT and what available options are best FOR PITT, Period!
WVU is Big-12 and Nationally Relevant now like Pitt being ACC --- they WANT to play ANNUALLY, home and home, Let's do IT!
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This is the whole problem. "Better" is not the issue. You claimed Pitt and West Virginia was one of the biggest rivalries nationally. It isn't. There are several rivalries that are bigger nationally.
That said, more people watching absolutely does mean one rivalry is bigger than the other. Being a good rivalry and being a nationally relevant rivalry are two different things.
Also, you did bring up TV ratings. You said:
You made claims about which games people would prefer to watch. You specifically said people would tune in to watch games like Cal/Stanford. Well, ratings are a direct measure of that, and the ratings don't back up this statement.
You quit reading my posts because you couldn't refute what I said.
I live on the hill near Stone & Lime.
Yeah, my Pitt gear gets a lot of comments but there's a few of us out here.
You didn't say the phrase "TV ratings" but you literally said:
So, what were you referencing when you said "watching" and "tune into". Did you mean attending the game when you said "watching"? Did you mean "tune into" the game via radio?
You are lying about what you posted. You were proven unequivocally wrong. Far, far, far more people are "tuning into" SEC regular season games with no rivalry dropback than are watching "bitter rivalries like Oregon vs. Oregon St., Pitt vs. WVU, and Cal vs. Stanford" and there are most definitely not "a lot of people" "tuning into" those "bitter rivalries".
Great recognized rivalries are more based on the consistent national relevance of one or both teams. Army/Navy or Harvard/Yale are quaint exceptions, but exactly that. That's more filler for the networks these days, nobody is really paying attention to those.
If Pitt and PSU had kept up their relative equality and high level of the late 70's early 80's it would be right up there. But heck, if Pitt had stayed relevant and WVU had risen, so would the Brawl. Neither happened. Pitt is more the common denominator there, unfortunately. Although of course, Paterno bears the blame that the former games don't happen.
If Pitt and PSU had kept up their relative equality and high level of the late 70's early 80's it would be right up there. But heck, if Pitt had stayed relevant and WVU had risen, so would the Brawl. Neither happened. Pitt is more the common denominator there, unfortunately. Although of course, Paterno bears the blame that the former games don't happen.
I already proved you wrong several days ago with provided links...yet here you still are...lol
Oops... Not according to the links i posted, and those people are paid to talk about college football, you aren't!
Jesus Christ. You posted "watching" and "tune into". Yes, 11M viewers vs. 727k most definitely means there is unbelievably more national draw for the former than the latter. It isn't just the southeast "tuning into" those games. A better argument would be made that it is just the individual states for the rivalries you mentioned because their ratings are atrocious. Essentially no one is watching the Oregon vs. Oregon State game, no matter their region or allegiances.
So your telling me whatever game has the most viewers is the best college football rivalry then?? Lmao
What you telling me makes absolutely zero sense, and this conversation was over days ago.
Look at the links i posted those games are considered the best rivalries.. not by me but by the experts. Leave it at that.
I bet Alabama and Ohio State would get monster ratings...so in your world that must be a great college football rivalry! Lol
You can't be this dumb. You literally said "outside of the southeast most people aren't watching SEC regular season games" and "A lot of people would however tune into a good bitter rivalry like Oregon vs Oregon St, Pitt vs WVU and Cal vs Stanford".
Do you acknowledge you posted those things?
I posted SEC regular season games, which you said no one outside of the southeast watches. You are 100% wrong. You said Oregon vs. Oregon St would draw a lot of people to tune in. You were 100% wrong.
Florida vs. Vandy (absolutely no rivalry and not even a good or important SEC regular season matchup) draws almost 4 times as many viewers as Oregon vs. Oregon State. Explain how Oregon vs. Oregon State moves the "needle nationally" or draws "a lot of people to tune in" when they can't even get 1M people to "tune into" the game.
You brought up moving the "needle nationally". You brought up that "outside of the southeast most people aren't watching SEC regular season games". You said "a lot of people would however tune into a good bitter rivalry like Oregon vs Oregon St, Pitt vs WVU and Cal vs Stanford".
You posted this, which is absolutely not a "fact"
You are a liar.
Alabama vs FSU is about to become the best rivalry in college football!! (since high ratings is all that makes a top rivalry obviously) lol
I couldn't even imagine being this delusional.
I couldn't even imagine being this delusional.
Even at that, if both schools were rolling off consistent Top 10 seasons (as in the late 70s/early 80s) --- an annual PSU/Pitt game would still "suffer" (somewhat) from being in September vs. November.
Is what it is. That era was fun, but an annual 2010s-era PSU/Pitt game would never quite be like that ever again.
I get being embarrassed because you posted some very, very, very dumb comments, but you did it. Now, instead of just being dumb, you are dumb and a liar.
That isnt true at all... you and your buddy are trying desperately to convince me that higher ratings equals a better college football rivalry when we both know thats not the case at all.
So your ridiculous argument was proven wrong days ago, yet here you still are. Lol
Exactly correct... it was a different era back when Pitt vs Penn State was supposedly a big game!
Pitt already has one of the greatest national rivalry games in the Backyard Brawl! A game that moves the needle on a national level. Let's embrace that game and stop trying to make the "Keystone Classic" into something it hasn't been in over 20 years!! Move forward, not backwards!! H2P!
No, you stated "outside of the south east most people arent even watching sec regular season games at all!" which was obviously wrong via the ratings presented. You stated: "A lot of people would however tune into a good bitter rivalry like Oregon vs Oregon St, Pitt vs WVU and Cal vs Stanford" which was obviously wrong via the ratings presented.
You also tried to make an argument about "moving the needle nationally" but the TV ratings don't back that up either.
All of this doesn't even incorporate the opinion (that the nation obviously doesn't share or they would watch) about what rivalries are "better", but it does completely and totally refute your ridiculous and entirely unfounded statements about which games people are "tuning into" and what moves the "needle nationally". The fact you can't even acknowledge you posted those things (in this very thread and quoted on this page) is unbelievable. It clearly shows you are a lying simpleton.
All I did was completely and totally refute your unfounded statements and prove you are a liar. I did not say TV ratings meant a rivalry was "better" than another because that is entirely subjective.
The ACC already has good rivalry games on the last weekend of the year, although Pitt v. Miami is a bit of an outlier in that regard.
An idea --- the odds of this happening are about 1,000,000:1, but this would be interesting for annual match-ups on the last weekend of the year.
1) Pittsburgh and Penn State.
2) Virginia and Maryland. These 2 schools sort of had a rivalry in the ACC days??? At the least, they're geographical neighbors.
3) Virginia Tech (instead of playing Virginia) plays Miami FLA. They're not geographically close but this was a fairly good series in the Big East days. Would still often have implications on the Coastal Division race.
4) Michigan State and Rutgers. Somebody's gotta be left over, and it's these two.
That's about the only way I could see Pittsburgh/PSU becoming an annual November game. Not sure if the B1G would go for it (much less the individual schools).
Would like to play WVU to open the season when they are on the schedule next ( 2020 - ?)
Backyard Brawl was a classic
Backyard Brawl was a classic
Actually if you wanted to stay on topic of PSU and WVU rivalries versus Pitt, you would post the television ratings of those respective games, in addition to ticket sales. I suspect there will be crickets...as the data is not going to support your position. Hail to Pitt!
Your links aren't proof. They are OPINIONS of "journalists," and I use that term loosely.
Again, your links are not proof. They are subjective opinions.
No, I am telling you that whichever games have the most viewers are the most relevant nationally, which was your original claim about Pitt/West Virginia.
Yes the opinion of those who are paid to talk about college football, that is correct.
Ill take their opinions over yours every day of the week and twice on Saturdays.
You do realize Penn State has 99k students and more alumni than every school in America right? Of course the ratings will be high for any game they are involved in.
Meh...it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
I just want WVU back on the schedule every year... the season hasn't been the same w/o the Brawl.
That's fair. I understand that. You're entitled to your opinion; one I'm sure other Pitt fans share.
But, you've gone overboard suggesting that your opinion is undisputed fact.
And I'll take hard numbers over opinions, which contradict everything you say.
I'll only say that Pitt-PSU would have gotten a prime time evening network spot this season if it were considered a top rivalry any more. Especially with PSU ranked highly this season.
But it wasn't.
And in two more years odds are it will be the absolute last time they'll play again in most of our lifetimes, unless college football is radically reconfigured, current structure overhauled and the two schools are placed in the same conference (PSU would still seek to avoid playing).
Meanwhile WVU-Pitt doesn't move the needle as much as Pitt-PSU as a rivalry. It simply doesn't. But it has one thing that the other doesn't: it can happen every year, forever, starting next year, if our gal made the call (they have telephones in that state by now don't they?)
But it wasn't.
And in two more years odds are it will be the absolute last time they'll play again in most of our lifetimes, unless college football is radically reconfigured, current structure overhauled and the two schools are placed in the same conference (PSU would still seek to avoid playing).
Meanwhile WVU-Pitt doesn't move the needle as much as Pitt-PSU as a rivalry. It simply doesn't. But it has one thing that the other doesn't: it can happen every year, forever, starting next year, if our gal made the call (they have telephones in that state by now don't they?)
There you go again... high ratings do not necessarily make it a great rivalry game!
Is FSU vs Bama a rivalry game?? Because those ratings will be through the roof!!
Not always... and it absolutely doesn't measure which is the greatest rivalry.
Yes, it absolutely does measure the national interest. That was your claim about Cal/Stanford and Oregon/Oregon St (and Pitt/West Virginia). Those rivalries don't get anywhere near the amount of national interest as the others I've listed, and the TV numbers back that up.
Doesnt gauge national interest... it tells you # of viewers... the vast majority of the ppl watching the sec games are in the south east obviously.
Fsu vs bama and other games will have tons of national interest... doesn't make them a great rivalry game. One doesnt = the other.. get it yet?
Yes, it does tell you the level of national interest. The number of viewers is a direct measure of that.
Cal/Stanford can't even get people in their own backyard to watch, much less nationally.
Nobody said Florida St/Alabama was a rivalry game. What YOU don't get is that when Florida/Georgia draws 5 million viewers, and Cal/Stanford only draws 400k, there simply is much more interest in the former than the latter.
No, it doesn't. It tells you the number of viewers... now since probably 90% of those viewers are in SEC country, its not very relevant on a national level. Its really not a hard concept to grasp...higher ratings dont always equal a great rivalry game.
Fsu vs Bama will have higer ratings than most every game this year... that obviously isn't a rivalry game so you see how dumb your "higher ratings = better rivalry" argument is. Its just ridiculous.
As ive told you, the links I've posted agree with me, not you... why don't you go take your ridiculous argument up with the writers at Athlon, Fox Sports, CBS Sports...etc. Go explain to them how wrong they are. Lmao
As ive told you, the links I've posted agree with me, not you... why don't you go take your ridiculous argument up with the writers at Athlon, Fox Sports, CBS Sports...etc. Go explain to them how wrong they are. Lmao
