What about Temple to the ACC

[Sean Miller Fan]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at first. I remember when a lot of us thought we were going to the Big Teb 6-7 years ago, I said no way because its a duplicate market and Rutgers would be much more likely.

I'm not predicting Temple to the ACC but its very possible that when running the numbers for the new network, ESPN tells the ACC they need more markets to make it viable. Although nobody cares about Temple in Philly, you would have thought the same about RU and MD in their markets.

Temple is studying an on-campus stadium and any move to the ACC would have to be contingent on it but I think if the ACC said they're in if they build a stadium, they'd surely do it.

This conference expansion stuff is really wacky. Temple has been a laughing stocl forever but so were RU, who is now in the Big Ten and Cincy, who is one of the best G5 programs out there. If they can be relevant, so can Temple.

ESPN might really want that Philly market for the new network and it would open up new recruiting markets in football and basketball and give the league greater bbal visibility on the 95 corridor.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Yes, it is very far-fetched and no, it has no chance of happening.

 

[eastcoasthoops]

The ACC gets more Philadelphia and eastern PA media traction from its relationship with Notre Dame than it EVER would from absorbing Temple.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

It's a rare occasion when one can say, "No way - never." And this is one of those rare occasions.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It's a rare occasion when one can say, "No way - never." And this is one of those rare occasions.

Sounds a lot like when I suggested RU to the Big Ten. TV markets are the only thing that matters.

Just saying, the ACC wants a network and ESPN may ask for more POTENTIAL eyeballs.

 

[ThePanthers]

No. And it's not even comparable to Rutgers to the BIG.

Hell, the BTN doesn't have instate carriage in Philly and it has PSU. Temple isn't even going to make a dent.

If the ACC would ever expand again, it would be for ND as full membership and UConn would probably be the second best option.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Could you imagine telling Florida St they now have to play Temple?
I wouldn't mind maybe Pitt playing them now and then.

 

[WNYPanther]

Its not even close to RU to the B1G. First of all, whether or not RU delivered NYC tvs was always irrelevant as adding RU did put NYC into the B1G's footprint & that is what the B1G wanted as actual viewers doesn't mean jack when it comes to carriage agreement negotiations for your conference network with the cable & sat providers, its potential viewers within the conferences footprint that holds the value (which is a huge reason why theres no Big XII Network at the moment and really no steps being taken to start one). While the ACC doesnt have a member in Philly technically the city is within the conferences fooprint when it comes to negotiating tv carriage charges (if they ever get an ACC Network running) because they do have a member in the state.

RU also regularly packs their stadium, Temple can't get 20K unless they are playing PSU or ND (keep in mind it wasnt that long ago they were tossed from the Big East because of attendance and its really not a whole lot better now.

 

[Panthertag]

I'm in grad school at Temple. I'd love to see it, but it will never happen. The AAC is a perfect fit for them, though.

 

[tps48]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at first. I remember when a lot of us thought we were going to the Big Teb 6-7 years ago, I said no way because its a duplicate market and Rutgers would be much more likely.

I'm not predicting Temple to the ACC but its very possible that when running the numbers for the new network, ESPN tells the ACC they need more markets to make it viable. Although nobody cares about Temple in Philly, you would have thought the same about RU and MD in their markets.

Temple is studying an on-campus stadium and any move to the ACC would have to be contingent on it but I think if the ACC said they're in if they build a stadium, they'd surely do it.

This conference expansion stuff is really wacky. Temple has been a laughing stocl forever but so were RU, who is now in the Big Ten and Cincy, who is one of the best G5 programs out there. If they can be relevant, so can Temple.

ESPN might really want that Philly market for the new network and it would open up new recruiting markets in football and basketball and give the league greater bbal visibility on the 95 corridor.

yuk

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No. And it's not even comparable to Rutgers to the BIG.

Hell, the BTN doesn't have instate carriage in Philly and it has PSU. Temple isn't even going to make a dent.

If the ACC would ever expand again, it would be for ND as full membership and UConn would probably be the second best option.

OK, you are ESPN. You tell the ACC you need 2 more teams/markets. Assuming no ND, which 2 teams have the most potential for ESPN? For me, its Temple and UConn. Cincy isnt big enough and their fanbase may be worse than Temple's. For as good as they've been, they never sell out their HS stadium.

 

[malenko]

It is a lot more likely than fans on this board seem to think if the ACC is creating a network.

 

[OH Pete]

I don't think getting ND in football does much if anything for an ACC Network. At most, they'd play on the ACC network maybe 1 more time than they would if they weren't a football playing member. The impact of ND on an ACC network is already in place for the other sports and the fact that ACC teams will play between 2 & 3 home games against ND every season.

 

[Panthertag]

The one team people need to stop bringing up is Cincy, they're a glorified MAC team...

 

[Panthertag]

Why doesn't the ACC stick it to ESPN and go for a deal with NBC...wouldn't this help get Notre Dame in as a full member?

 

[NTOP]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at first. I remember when a lot of us thought we were going to the Big Teb 6-7 years ago, I said no way because its a duplicate market and Rutgers would be much more likely.

I'm not predicting Temple to the ACC but its very possible that when running the numbers for the new network, ESPN tells the ACC they need more markets to make it viable. Although nobody cares about Temple in Philly, you would have thought the same about RU and MD in their markets.

Temple is studying an on-campus stadium and any move to the ACC would have to be contingent on it but I think if the ACC said they're in if they build a stadium, they'd surely do it.

This conference expansion stuff is really wacky. Temple has been a laughing stocl forever but so were RU, who is now in the Big Ten and Cincy, who is one of the best G5 programs out there. If they can be relevant, so can Temple.

ESPN might really want that Philly market for the new network and it would open up new recruiting markets in football and basketball and give the league greater bbal visibility on the 95 corridor.

Weren't you pushing hard for Nova and/or UMASS to the BE for FB?? I grew up in Philly......they will always be irrelevant there. Their old Stadium wasn't even on campus....a bit bigger than Nova's 13K, but really just a H.S. venue. Actually saw a Continental League game there...Philly Bulldogs. No defense allowed.
I don't think Temple meets the academic target for the ACC.

 

[heybandguy]

There are plenty of eyeballs for the Philly market, but Temple has done little to build a culture of excellence on the football side of things since...forever. There would be minimal interest and bump in ratings - this isn't field of dreams "If you build it they will come". The interest by a network is where the intersection of money meets a school with a culture of commitment to their programs. I can see UConn before Temple to the ACC, and that is only really because of hoops. If the ACC wanted to get serious, force ND hand and tell them to become a full member in all sports or take a hike.

 

[WNYPanther]

OK, you are ESPN. You tell the ACC you need 2 more teams/markets. Assuming no ND, which 2 teams have the most potential for ESPN? For me, its Temple and UConn. Cincy isnt big enough and their fanbase may be worse than Temple's. For as good as they've been, they never sell out their HS stadium.

Cincy adds Ohio to the conference footprint Temple adds nothing as PA is already within the ACC footprint. This is at least in part why schools like ECU, USF & UCF were never seriously considered by the ACC and probably never will be. In this day and age where TV revenue dictates everything if you're looking at expanding you look to get a program that is a power or has a huge fan base, if neither of the first 2 are available you look to expand the conference footprint by adding schools that play in a state outside of your current area.

 

[WNYPanther]

Why doesn't the ACC stick it to ESPN and go for a deal with NBC...wouldn't this help get Notre Dame in as a full member?

Because they are under contract with ESPN/ABC until the mid or late 2020's.

 

[Pittx9]

I still really want to get UConn in the ACC. They're the one team from the old Big East we could get that would solidify the ACC as the best basketball conference. Of course, then we'd have to find another team, preferably one good at football. I don't see them ever expanding though unless Notre Dame says they want to become a full member... and there's a better chance of Notre Dame teaching a class on Satanism than joining a conference so...

 

[ThePanthers]

OK, you are ESPN. You tell the ACC you need 2 more teams/markets. Assuming no ND, which 2 teams have the most potential for ESPN? For me, its Temple and UConn. Cincy isnt big enough and their fanbase may be worse than Temple's. For as good as they've been, they never sell out their HS stadium.

Why is ESPN asking for 2 more markets?

And for me, if no ND, UConn and Cincy.

 

[ThePanthers]

Why doesn't the ACC stick it to ESPN and go for a deal with NBC...wouldn't this help get Notre Dame in as a full member?

Why do they need to stick it to ESPN? They have a great partnership with them.

NBC has very little presence outside of the main network with regard to sports. The SECN is as strong out the gate due not only to their allure, but because of their ties with ESPN.

And going with NBC would do very little IMO to get ND in the fold. ND will join a conference in FB whenever they are ready, if ever.

Plus, like someone else said, the ACC is with ESPN until 2027 at the earliest, and I think it will go far beyond that.

 

[paulbl99]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at

Right .....it is more far fetched than it seems

Please

Just stop

 

[raleighpanther]

OK, you are ESPN. You tell the ACC you need 2 more teams/markets. Assuming no ND, which 2 teams have the most potential for ESPN? For me, its Temple and UConn. Cincy isnt big enough and their fanbase may be worse than Temple's. For as good as they've been, they never sell out their HS stadium.

Seriously, adding Texas to the ACC is less far-fetched than adding Temple, and Texas, no Temple, would be the answer to the question, "how can we add more eyeballs for ESPN?"

 

[thebadby2]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at first. I remember when a lot of us thought we were going to the Big Teb 6-7 years ago, I said no way because its a duplicate market and Rutgers would be much more likely.

I'm not predicting Temple to the ACC but its very possible that when running the numbers for the new network, ESPN tells the ACC they need more markets to make it viable. Although nobody cares about Temple in Philly, you would have thought the same about RU and MD in their markets.

Temple is studying an on-campus stadium and any move to the ACC would have to be contingent on it but I think if the ACC said they're in if they build a stadium, they'd surely do it.

This conference expansion stuff is really wacky. Temple has been a laughing stocl forever but so were RU, who is now in the Big Ten and Cincy, who is one of the best G5 programs out there. If they can be relevant, so can Temple.

ESPN might really want that Philly market for the new network and it would open up new recruiting markets in football and basketball and give the league greater bbal visibility on the 95 corridor.

Denied. Call the next case.

Although it would be fun to heckle them about Bill Cosby.

 

[raleighpanther]

Cosby in Philly, Sandusky in State College. Western PA should break away and become its own state.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Cincy adds Ohio to the conference footprint Temple adds nothing as PA is already within the ACC footprint. This is at least in part why schools like ECU, USF & UCF were never seriously considered by the ACC and probably never will be. In this day and age where TV revenue dictates everything if you're looking at expanding you look to get a program that is a power or has a huge fan base, if neither of the first 2 are available you look to expand the conference footprint by adding schools that play in a state outside of your current area.

The ACC does not currently have the Philadelphia market. Pitt does not give them that, not even close. The fact that Pitt is in the same state as Philadelphia only allows the ACC to claim PA for maps, tshirts, drawings, etc.

By the same token, Cincy does not bring "Ohio" to the ACC footprint. Well, sure, you can color in Ohio on the ACC map, but what does that mean. Adding Cincy gives you the Cincinnati market, that's it.

 

[ThePanthers]

The ACC does not currently have the Philadelphia market. Pitt does not give them that, not even close. The fact that Pitt is in the same state as Philadelphia only allows the ACC to claim PA for maps, tshirts, drawings, etc.

By the same token, Cincy does not bring "Ohio" to the ACC footprint. Well, sure, you can color in Ohio on the ACC map, but what does that mean. Adding Cincy gives you the Cincinnati market, that's it.

Temple does not give you the Philly market either.

 

[thebadby2]

Temple does not give you the Philly market either.

Because nobody there gives a $hit about them either.

 

[palpitt]

Because nobody there gives a $hit about them either.

Temple gives you NOTHING. No one in this area even knows they play football.

 

[Pitt79]

The one team people need to stop bringing up is Cincy, they're a glorified MAC team...

I guess, but they've performed head and shoulders above Pitt for at least the last decade. On field performance has to count for something, LOL!

 

[oldpantherfan]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at first. I remember when a lot of us thought we were going to the Big Teb 6-7 years ago, I said no way because its a duplicate market and Rutgers would be much more likely.

I'm not predicting Temple to the ACC but its very possible that when running the numbers for the new network, ESPN tells the ACC they need more markets to make it viable. Although nobody cares about Temple in Philly, you would have thought the same about RU and MD in their markets.

Temple is studying an on-campus stadium and any move to the ACC would have to be contingent on it but I think if the ACC said they're in if they build a stadium, they'd surely do it.

This conference expansion stuff is really wacky. Temple has been a laughing stocl forever but so were RU, who is now in the Big Ten and Cincy, who is one of the best G5 programs out there. If they can be relevant, so can Temple.

ESPN might really want that Philly market for the new network and it would open up new recruiting markets in football and basketball and give the league greater bbal visibility on the 95 corridor.

I like that ideal. I think it would be good for the ACC. People saying it would never happen are small minds and are thinking of Temple football and t's past dismal history, but even they are getting better, and are currently rated/ranked higher than Pitt. I say small minds because they are not looking at the big picture. What is the ACC really ? That's right a basketball conference playing football (sound familiar) and Temple brings with it two great basketball programs. The men are perennially a top 25 NCAA caliber team. And unlike PSU, they will bring in the Philadelphia and New York markets for both TV and recruiting. Here is a question for you. If Temple was accepted for all sports right now to begin play in the ACC do you think chambers and PSU gets those high rated Philly recruits ? Until happened how many people thought Maryland and Rutgers (and actually PSU when they joined) would go to the big ten. For the small minded taty combination took two power women's basketball programs to the big ten. Say what you will but National Championships and NCAA tournament appearances, especially make a difference in revenue-tv revenue. Don't believe me who is the most powerful team in the AAC right now ? You guessed it-UConn WOMENS BASKETBALL. Be a little more receptive people. open your minds. It would be good for the conference.

 

[Pitt79]

Cosby in Philly, Sandusky in State College. Western PA should break away and become its own state.

We have Ben Rapistberger, although I love Ben and I'll enable his actions and cover them up as long as he's kicking asss! Lol! Oh wait? He's never been proven guilty or arrested.

 

[Delpanther]

What the ACC needs are FB schools, not teams with $hit FB traditions like Cinci, Temple and Uconn. It's ND or bust or luring another FB school from another power 5 conference

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Add Power to Pennsylvania to join Virginia and Florida to offset the North Carolina Power in the ACC. It is a good Academic School, Best In Pennsylvania History in Wins in Basketball. I have no problem with it.

If the ACC Expands I would want these schools in this order:
Notre Dame
Texas
Tenn
Penn State
WVU
UCincy
Temple
Navy
Vanderbilt
Northwestern!

 

[ThePanthers]

I like that ideal. I think it would be good for the ACC. People saying it would never happen are small minds and are thinking of Temple football and t's past dismal history, but even they are getting better, and are currently rated/ranked higher than Pitt. I say small minds because they are not looking at the big picture. What is the ACC really ? That's right a basketball conference playing football (sound familiar) and Temple brings with it two great basketball programs. The men are perennially a top 25 NCAA caliber team. And unlike PSU, they will bring in the Philadelphia and New York markets for both TV and recruiting. Here is a question for you. If Temple was accepted for all sports right now to begin play in the ACC do you think chambers and PSU gets those high rated Philly recruits ? Until happened how many people thought Maryland and Rutgers (and actually PSU when they joined) would go to the big ten. For the small minded taty combination took two power women's basketball programs to the big ten. Say what you will but National Championships and NCAA tournament appearances, especially make a difference in revenue-tv revenue. Don't believe me who is the most powerful team in the AAC right now ? You guessed it-UConn WOMENS BASKETBALL. Be a little more receptive people. open your minds. It would be good for the conference.

I opened my mind and it sucks.

 

[Large Panther]

This is not as far-fetched as it would seem at first. I remember when a lot of us thought we were going to the Big Teb 6-7 years ago, I said no way because its a duplicate market and Rutgers would be much more likely.

I'm not predicting Temple to the ACC but its very possible that when running the numbers for the new network, ESPN tells the ACC they need more markets to make it viable. Although nobody cares about Temple in Philly, you would have thought the same about RU and MD in their markets.

Temple is studying an on-campus stadium and any move to the ACC would have to be contingent on it but I think if the ACC said they're in if they build a stadium, they'd surely do it.

This conference expansion stuff is really wacky. Temple has been a laughing stocl forever but so were RU, who is now in the Big Ten and Cincy, who is one of the best G5 programs out there. If they can be relevant, so can Temple.

ESPN might really want that Philly market for the new network and it would open up new recruiting markets in football and basketball and give the league greater bbal visibility on the 95 corridor.

Nah.

 

[NTOP]

I like that ideal. I think it would be good for the ACC. People saying it would never happen are small minds and are thinking of Temple football and t's past dismal history, but even they are getting better, and are currently rated/ranked higher than Pitt. I say small minds because they are not looking at the big picture. What is the ACC really ? That's right a basketball conference playing football (sound familiar) and Temple brings with it two great basketball programs. The men are perennially a top 25 NCAA caliber team. And unlike PSU, they will bring in the Philadelphia and New York markets for both TV and recruiting. Here is a question for you. If Temple was accepted for all sports right now to begin play in the ACC do you think chambers and PSU gets those high rated Philly recruits ? Until happened how many people thought Maryland and Rutgers (and actually PSU when they joined) would go to the big ten. For the small minded taty combination took two power women's basketball programs to the big ten. Say what you will but National Championships and NCAA tournament appearances, especially make a difference in revenue-tv revenue. Don't believe me who is the most powerful team in the AAC right now ? You guessed it-UConn WOMENS BASKETBALL. Be a little more receptive people. open your minds. It would be good for the conference.

How does Temple bring in "two great basketball programs"??? And we've seen Temple do a bit better before...Wayne Hardin, e.g. But they have ZERO presence in FB, never had any. In hoops, they've been trending down since Chaney left...as has St. Joe's & LaSalle. The Big 5 is long over....only Nova has any clout in Philly. And as I said earlier....they don't fit the research-oriented ACC academic profile. UCONN would be better, but they've gone backwards in FB. The ACC doesn't need to expand.

 

[Pghfan]

I guess, but they've performed head and shoulders above Pitt for at least the last decade. On field performance has to count for something, LOL!

it doesn't, not in regards to conference expansion. If it did, we wouldn't be in the ACC over UConn and Cincy

 

[Pghfan]

I guess, but they've performed head and shoulders above Pitt for at least the last decade. On field performance has to count for something, LOL!

We have Ben Rapistberger, although I love Ben and I'll enable his actions and cover them up as long as he's kicking asss! Lol! Oh wait? He's never been proven guilty or arrested.

well he never has been arrested or even charged.. But it looks like you already made up your mind so let's not let those little facts get in the way..