What about Temple to the ACC

[raleighpanther]

Ask anyone, I mean ANYONE, in the Big Ten how they feel now about adding Rutgers to the Big Ten.
Its funny how the B10 started the whole expansion craze, and for a time sat back, taking its time with its next move while other conference darted around in desperation trying to make the next move before it was too late.
The B10 expected to be able to get either ND, Texas, or VA & UNC, at its leisure. All it had to do was ask, and with the notion that these moves would wreck the neighboring conferences. But things didn't unfold the way they expected, and the ended up with Rutgers and MD. Huge disappointment for them. And Rutgers has been nothing but an embarrassment on several levels since they signed on.
I'd rather have Temple in the ACC than Rutgers, but only by a hair. Not a chance in hell it happens.

 

[Pghfan]

Ask anyone, I mean ANYONE, in the Big Ten how they feel now about adding Rutgers to the Big Ten.
Its funny how the B10 started the whole expansion craze, and for a time sat back, taking its time with its next move while other conference darted around in desperation trying to make the next move before it was too late.
The B10 expected to be able to get either ND, Texas, or VA & UNC, at its leisure. All it had to do was ask, and with the notion that these moves would wreck the neighboring conferences. But things didn't unfold the way they expected, and the ended up with Rutgers and MD. Huge disappointment for them. And Rutgers has been nothing but an embarrassment on several levels since they signed on.
I'd rather have Temple in the ACC than Rutgers, but only by a hair. Not a chance in hell it happens.

The addition of RU and UMD has been a ridiculous financial success.. They are making millions more, are in two huge markets now, expanding their footprint east and have two more bottom dweller teams that should add easy wins. I think the Big 10 is pretty happy about it..

 

[Panthertag]

I will say this, if Temple gets to 7-0, heading into a home game against Notre Dame, you better believe there's going to be some hype in Philly. I do agree on all fronts, though, that they add nothing to the ACC. They're in a good place now, and should continue to build the program. But unless Rhule stays for a couple more years, I don't see them doing anything other than slumping back down into dog$h*t.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Sixth winningest basketball program since Naismith first hung up the peach baskets, but that never meant a damn thing to the powers that be in the "Big" East. Was never asked to "leave"; was never allowed in in the first place (Evillainova embargo--one of the major reasons that conference collapsed).

 

[Panthertag]

What year did you go to Temple? ^^^^^^^

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Temple does not give you the Philly market either.

OK. But does RU give the Big Ten the NYC market? Does Maryland bring the DC market? Does anyone care about Maryland football in DC?

 

[ThePanthers]

OK. But does RU give the Big Ten the NYC market? Does Maryland bring the DC market? Does anyone care about Maryland football in DC?

It may not bring the market, but the presense of the BIG 10 conference in those markets had cable companies increase New Jersey and Maryland to in state carriage.

Those are HUGE state universities with large alumni presence, plus there is a huge amount of BIG alumni in those areas as well from other schools.

It's not even close to comparable.

 

[GENAC]

It may not bring the market, but the presense of the BIG 10 conference in those markets had cable companies increase New Jersey and Maryland to in state carriage.

In-state carriage is such an old school way of looking at this. The conferences that build around that model are going to be very upset in the near future when an a la carte model is introduced in cable. Look, non-sports fans aren't going to keep paying. Cord cutters already exist and are growing.

The notion that the ACC doesn't have big enough markets is ridiculous. By the in-state carriage nonsense, it carries NYC with Syracuse (the only P5 school in NY). Pitt gets the in-state fee for the whole state. Adding Temple does little because Temple doesn't make people in Philly pay more for the ACC Network. UVA and VT do more to capture the DC market than Maryland alone does. NC is covered. The ACC has half of SC. Atlanta, Miami, and Boston are three major cities covered. Two teams in FL. Not to mention a good collegiate big town in Louisville and ND.

 

[NTOP]

Sixth winningest basketball program since Naismith first hung up the peach baskets, but that never meant a damn thing to the powers that be in the "Big" East. Was never asked to "leave"; was never allowed in in the first place (Evillainova embargo--one of the major reasons that conference collapsed).

Hmmmmm...I know Fat R

Sixth winningest basketball program since Naismith first hung up the peach baskets, but that never meant a damn thing to the powers that be in the "Big" East. Was never asked to "leave"; was never allowed in in the first place (Evillainova embargo--one of the major reasons that conference collapsed).

Uhhhhh....Temple was in the BE from 1991-2004, for FB. Never for hoops. And they WERE asked to leave, because they brought nothing to the table. (not that we were big shots, but at least had history to claim.) I always hoped the Owls would get full standing in the BE.....but Rollie held sway. And Temple leaving NEVER hurt the BE.

 

[GENAC]

NBC has very little presence outside of the main network with regard to sports. The SECN is as strong out the gate due not only to their allure, but because of their ties with ESPN.

NBC isn't a bad idea really. But only if that gets ND to the table. NBC would love to show every ND game. If ND joined the ACC, let them keep their deal for home games. Then, ND's away games in the ACC would be able to be on NBC. There's a reason Pitt-ND is usually on a good channel and time slot on ABC/ESPN no matter if the teams are good. ESPN/ABC always wants that game because it draws good TV numbers. NBC would love to have almost all of ND's games.

Obviously, this would require NBC wanting to get involved in the college sports game, but if they did, they could have three ACC games a day. Noon, 3:30 (mostly ND), and a night game. Early in the season, they'd probably only show ND and the other biggest game. Late in the season, show three games. The rest of the games could be on NBCSN and the newly created ACC Network.

Just because ND's games would never be on the ACC Network doesn't mean there isn't value. Imagine the off-the-field programming on the ACC Network with a ND show. That's money.

NBCSN is no worse than FS1. It doesn't matter what company the ACC Network is tied to. The SEC Network was/is successful because it's the SEC. Simple as that.

 

[ThePanthers]

NBC isn't a bad idea really. But only if that gets ND to the table. NBC would love to show every ND game. If ND joined the ACC, let them keep their deal for home games. Then, ND's away games in the ACC would be able to be on NBC. There's a reason Pitt-ND is usually on a good channel and time slot on ABC/ESPN no matter if the teams are good. ESPN/ABC always wants that game because it draws good TV numbers. NBC would love to have almost all of ND's games.

Obviously, this would require NBC wanting to get involved in the college sports game, but if they did, they could have three ACC games a day. Noon, 3:30 (mostly ND), and a night game. Early in the season, they'd probably only show ND and the other biggest game. Late in the season, show three games. The rest of the games could be on NBCSN and the newly created ACC Network.

Just because ND's games would never be on the ACC Network doesn't mean there isn't value. Imagine the off-the-field programming on the ACC Network with a ND show. That's money.

NBCSN is no worse than FS1. It doesn't matter what company the ACC Network is tied to. The SEC Network was/is successful because it's the SEC. Simple as that.

You are pretty naïve.

 

[ThePanthers]

In-state carriage is such an old school way of looking at this. The conferences that build around that model are going to be very upset in the near future when an a la carte model is introduced in cable. Look, non-sports fans aren't going to keep paying. Cord cutters already exist and are growing.

The notion that the ACC doesn't have big enough markets is ridiculous. By the in-state carriage nonsense, it carries NYC with Syracuse (the only P5 school in NY). Pitt gets the in-state fee for the whole state. Adding Temple does little because Temple doesn't make people in Philly pay more for the ACC Network. UVA and VT do more to capture the DC market than Maryland alone does. NC is covered. The ACC has half of SC. Atlanta, Miami, and Boston are three major cities covered. Two teams in FL. Not to mention a good collegiate big town in Louisville and ND.

It's the current model, and it's the model that has made the BIG very rich, and the BTN very successful. They may have to go to a new model, and they are run by some very bright individuals, so I'm sure they will adapt, but as of right now, it is a cash cow and adding RU and UMD made it even bigger.

 

[Pghfan]

Ask anyone, I mean ANYONE, in the Big Ten how they feel now about adding Rutgers to the Big Ten.
Its funny how the B10 started the whole expansion craze, and for a time sat back, taking its time with its next move while other conference darted around in desperation trying to make the next move before it was too late.
The B10 expected to be able to get either ND, Texas, or VA & UNC, at its leisure. All it had to do was ask, and with the notion that these moves would wreck the neighboring conferences. But things didn't unfold the way they expected, and the ended up with Rutgers and MD. Huge disappointment for them. And Rutgers has been nothing but an embarrassment on several levels since they signed on.
I'd rather have Temple in the ACC than Rutgers, but only by a hair. Not a chance in hell it happens.

The addition of RU and UMD has been a ridiculous financial success.. They are making millions more, are in two huge markets now, expanding their footprint east and have two more bottom dweller teams that should add easy wins. I think the Big 10 is pretty happy about it..

OK. But does RU give the Big Ten the NYC market? Does Maryland bring the DC market? Does anyone care about Maryland football in DC?

NO. LIved in Maryland and you are right..

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Yes, it is very far-fetched and no, it has no chance of happening.

This is the most smf idea ever.

 

[ameoba defense]

The addition of RU and UMD has been a ridiculous financial success.. They are making millions more, are in two huge markets now, expanding their footprint east and have two more bottom dweller teams that should add easy wins. I think the Big 10 is pretty happy about it..

Maryland is looking like a major acquisition in hoops though. They have a great tradition, and after stumbling a bit at the end of Gary Williams tenure, find themselves in pretty much every expert's short list of favorites to win the National Championship this year. I expect for them to be a monster in the B1G going forward. They have a deep local talent base to draw from, and they are going to be able to poach kids out of Chicago, and Detroit, as DC is a very attractive city when trying to land inner city kids looking to get away from home.

 

[topdecktiger]

The ACC does not currently have the Philadelphia market. Pitt does not give them that, not even close. The fact that Pitt is in the same state as Philadelphia only allows the ACC to claim PA for maps, tshirts, drawings, etc.

You're incorrect. Philadelphia is considered part of the ACC's market, in terms of the TV contract. In other words, when ESPN pays the ACC, they are getting paid for having Philadelphia. How popular Pitt is in Philadelphia isn't the issue. The only thing that matters is if it makes money for the ACC, which it does.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

It is a lot more likely than fans on this board seem to think if the ACC is creating a network.

Come again? No, it is not.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Hmmmmm...I know Fat R

Uhhhhh....Temple was in the BE from 1991-2004, for FB. Never for hoops. And they WERE asked to leave, because they brought nothing to the table. (not that we were big shots, but at least had history to claim.) I always hoped the Owls would get full standing in the BE.....but Rollie held sway. And Temple leaving NEVER hurt the BE.

One-sport membership (embargoed from anything else) is hardly "membership" at all, particularly when the historically strongest part of the athletic department is EXCLUDED. Actually, historically strong basketball worked against all-sports membership for Temple. Obviously, the folks running that otherwise basketball-centric conference didn't want to tangle with John Chaney twice during a regular season plus a third time in a post-season tournament with bearing on NCAA placement. Would have been better to be a total non-entity like the Rugrats . . . oops, Seton Hall didn't object to THEM getting full membership.

 

[pittmeister]

I guess, but they've performed head and shoulders above Pitt for at least the last decade. On field performance has to count for something, LOL!

Penn State and West Virginia too!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It may not bring the market, but the presense of the BIG 10 conference in those markets had cable companies increase New Jersey and Maryland to in state carriage.

ACC/ESPN to Comcast Philly: "Hey guys, your Pittsburgh office just signed up for our new network at $1/subscriber and since you are in the same state as Pitt, we wanted to give you the same deal."

Comcast Philly: "Huh, you want us to pay the same carriage fee for a network with no local interest at all except a few thousand Pitt alums maybe."

ACC/ESPN: "Well, you see you are in PA and so is Pitt. Our map shows that PA is in the ACC footprint so yes, pay the same.

Comcast Philly: Listen idiots, did you not hear me. There are no local teams on this new channel you are pitching. We'll give you 10 cents per subscriber (what BTN was getting in NJ before adding RU) on an expanded tier. Be happy we're doing that."

 

[thebadby2]

I like that ideal. I think it would be good for the ACC. People saying it would never happen are small minds and are thinking of Temple football and t's past dismal history, but even they are getting better, and are currently rated/ranked higher than Pitt. I say small minds because they are not looking at the big picture. What is the ACC really ? That's right a basketball conference playing football (sound familiar) and Temple brings with it two great basketball programs. The men are perennially a top 25 NCAA caliber team. And unlike PSU, they will bring in the Philadelphia and New York markets for both TV and recruiting. Here is a question for you. If Temple was accepted for all sports right now to begin play in the ACC do you think chambers and PSU gets those high rated Philly recruits ? Until happened how many people thought Maryland and Rutgers (and actually PSU when they joined) would go to the big ten. For the small minded taty combination took two power women's basketball programs to the big ten. Say what you will but National Championships and NCAA tournament appearances, especially make a difference in revenue-tv revenue. Don't believe me who is the most powerful team in the AAC right now ? You guessed it-UConn WOMENS BASKETBALL. Be a little more receptive people. open your minds. It would be good for the conference.

Since when has Temple men's basketball been relevant? When Mark Macon played there in the 80s?

 

[vinniep33]

Can I nominate this for dumbest post of the year, in the extra long category?

 

[WNYPanther]

The ACC does not currently have the Philadelphia market. Pitt does not give them that, not even close. The fact that Pitt is in the same state as Philadelphia only allows the ACC to claim PA for maps, tshirts, drawings, etc.

By the same token, Cincy does not bring "Ohio" to the ACC footprint. Well, sure, you can color in Ohio on the ACC map, but what does that mean. Adding Cincy gives you the Cincinnati market, that's it.

You clearly didn't understand a thing I said and also have no clue how carriage agreements and negotiations work. Nowhere did I say Cincy "delivers" Ohio.

 

[ThePanthers]

ACC/ESPN to Comcast Philly: "Hey guys, your Pittsburgh office just signed up for our new network at $1/subscriber and since you are in the same state as Pitt, we wanted to give you the same deal."

Comcast Philly: "Huh, you want us to pay the same carriage fee for a network with no local interest at all except a few thousand Pitt alums maybe."

ACC/ESPN: "Well, you see you are in PA and so is Pitt. Our map shows that PA is in the ACC footprint so yes, pay the same.

Comcast Philly: Listen idiots, did you not hear me. There are no local teams on this new channel you are pitching. We'll give you 10 cents per subscriber (what BTN was getting in NJ before adding RU) on an expanded tier. Be happy we're doing that."

Comcast Philly: "HAHAHAHA. You think bringing in Temple will get you higher carriage? The people in Philly won't even notice if we don't add the ACC Network even with Temple."

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Comcast Philly: "HAHAHAHA. You think bringing in Temple will get you higher carriage? The people in Philly won't even notice if we don't add the ACC Network even with Temple."

No, I'm not sure that it does. But, hypothetically, if they beat ND, go 13-0 and go to a NY6 Bowl and announce a new stadium around the same time, maybe there's enough juice there. Even if that doesnt happen, which it probably wont, I know the ACCN doesnt gett carriage in Philly without Temple. Would Temple do it? Normally, I'd say no but since BTN gets carriage in NYC after RU, I'd say that the possibility exists that "new Temple" (NY6 Bowl/on campus stadium) gets us carriage. A possibility anyway.

 

[GENAC]

It's the current model, and it's the model that has made the BIG very rich, and the BTN very successful. They may have to go to a new model, and they are run by some very bright individuals, so I'm sure they will adapt, but as of right now, it is a cash cow and adding RU and UMD made it even bigger.

And it will be dead in 10 years. You have to evolve.