What I REALLY don’t get about this fanbase...
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Narduzzi declining a penalty that would have given Pitt third and five to make it fourth and two, then actually going for it and getting stopped, was the worst call I have witnessed in 40 years of watching football, at any level.
After seeing that, what occurred at Penn State seems normal
After seeing that, what occurred at Penn State seems normal
I don’t think it’s ludicrous to suggest the program is worse than when he took over. Chryst left many very talented guys. It’s probably about even.
Narduzzi has the rest of this year no matter what. Barring some sort of collapse- they should get to 5-6 wins at least. Thus, he deserves another year
No, most teams wouldn't dare consider kicking a FG there. However, most teams don't have such an atrocious offensive line or running game. If they did, they would probably trot the kicker out there too.
There is a reason Pitt didn't try to run up the gut. The coaches knew PSU would have eat that shit up.
Do you think the offense would have been as explosive with Chad Voytik at QB as it was with Nate Peterman?
It beats giving up 56, 51, & 40 in consecutive Coastal games at the hands of such powerhouse programs like Georgia Tech, Duke, and UNC.
When you start with the premise that the program is in worse shape than when he took over- you kind of lose credibility in everything else you say.
I’ll buy “it’s about the same as when he took over.” But it definitely isn’t worse. We got boat raced by butch jones’ Cincinnati, lots to YSU. Chryst’s signature win was a beating ND that went on to only be 8-4 that year and maybe beating VT
Chryst also took over a program that was a total mess and had to do a total rebuild.
I love when people scream “Chryst lost to YSU his first game” but fail to mention he took over a dumpster fire of a program.
The team had far more talent when Narduzzi took over than it does now.
It’s a fairly massive indictment of Narduzzi that thevbest offensive player he has recruited is a QB transfer in year one.
Nah Duzz would not have been blasted if a 4th down attempt failed. Whipple would have been for the play calling.
I'm as critical as anyone about things that happen in the program but I can't say it's regressed. At worst, it's about the same but probably a little better. There was very little depth at any position when he got here and at least you can look around and feel better about that. You could also look back at the defense Narduzzi was left with and feel pretty good about where that's gone. He needs to recruit better and the program will improve.
I'll make one other comment about that FG. I'm not a fan of the call but I think he felt like he could kick that and that his defense would give them another chance to score. He's taken wild risks before and they paid off. Playing to win, not tie. I think that's just what you're going to get with him. Also, the local media will hang on to that decision forever so I'm sure you'll hear about it again and again.
I'll make one other comment about that FG. I'm not a fan of the call but I think he felt like he could kick that and that his defense would give them another chance to score. He's taken wild risks before and they paid off. Playing to win, not tie. I think that's just what you're going to get with him. Also, the local media will hang on to that decision forever so I'm sure you'll hear about it again and again.
Pitt's only touchdown came on a run from the 3, so why do you think that they could not have run it in from the 1?
I think that the key to having first and goal from the 1 in that situation is to decide from the beginning that you are going for the td, and have 4 plays to do it. That effects the plays that are called, and also lets the offense know that they have to get it into the end zone.
I don't think that's even accurate. Go back and look at the rosters. The overall talent was similar when each took over- Chryst also played a much easier overall schedule.
The talent was a train wreck when he got here....Aaron Donald, ray graham...and almost nothing else.
He ignores everything that doesn't fit his agenda. Never mind that no P5 team should ever lose to YSU. And they got spanked by 2 TDs.
He continues to regurgitate the same BS without understanding that saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.
The first 3 downs were just brutal. The play calling was great, except we couldn't execute because we couldn't block. Why should they have much confidence for 4th down?
I don't believe the program has regressed. It's pretty much stayed exactly the same. The records are nearly identical. Narduzzi has played a tougher schedule, but Chryst had to deal with more scrubs for upperclassmen (from the Wannstedt/Haywood/Graham fallout), whereas Narduzzi had Chryst's guys. Chryst probably recruited more NFL talent, but he also didn't have to deal with Penn State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ohio State all being as good as they've been in Narduzzi's tenure. You'd probably be splitting hairs to say that one was better than the other. They've both been pretty status quo: Nothing more; nothing less.
Somewhat true, but as you say Chyrst had some of the easiest schedules this side of Wanny in 2009. The 2014 schedule was setup for a nice run. Year 3 of his tenure, hardest OOC was Iowa at home, a Big 10 team you would figure he could handle. Instead, he loses that, blows the Duke game, and had a 1-6 run after starting 3-0. All this with having Conner at his peak, Tyler Boyd, Ejuan Price, etc. Plus he had the benefit of Franklin not being ramped up yet. Narduzzi delivered wins against PSU, Clemson, Miami, along with two 8 win seasons, and a ACC coastal title.
So I don't think you can say the program stayed the same. It is better than Chryst, with tougher, self inflicted schedules, and more competition from a rejuvenated PSU,Michigan, and Urban Meyer at Ohio State. It's just the needle hasn't moved as far as we would all like (need to have a top 25 finish, no ifs, ands or buts).
Narduzzi with the 2014 schedule would have finished 9-3 at least, not 6-6.
Narduzzi inherited Chryst's players as upperclassmen. Chryst was still fielding teams that were suffering from our two-year carousel. You don't think Chryst would have won at least 8 games with that offensive line? And let's not pretend like Canada wasn't the reason we won (well, went 8-5) in 2018. Narduzzi was like a pair of ankle weights that team had to deal with; he didn't help them in any way. Plus, Blewitt made a big kick for Narduzzi in Clemson. We missed a chip shot in Notre Dame for Chryst. Shoot, Narduzzi got a 55-yarder at GT and two 55+-yarders against Syracuse last year; Chryst got the a wide left on a tap-in putt to beat Duke (to be fair, it's on Chryst for not getting the ball in the middle of the field). More concerning is Narduzzi's downward trend. This could be our third consecutive season without a winning record.
I don't know. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. I just think, all things considered, the two are pretty even.
You are entitled to your opinion, I think it is wrong. You are what your record says you are in most cases. There was no excuse for a 6-6 season in 2014. We have improved from that, not stayed the same. By definition, that isn't pretty even. But it isn't improved by leaps and bounds.
Leaps and bounds? Chryst was 19-19; Narduzzi is 29-26, and probably 29-27 after this weekend. We're not exactly scaling Mt. Everest ever since the change was made.
Those of you touting Chryst need to factor this into the equation. PS going through their sanctions helped Chryst immensely. The dust had cleared and the sanctions turned into hardly a slap on the wrist when Narduzzi got here.
Stupidest post ever. Do you somehow forget what the rotating cast of head coaches did to the program?
If you’re going to lose, who cares whether it’s because you can’t play D or O.... that’s the heart of the issue. The target is to build a complete team
Do you want to remind everyone what narduzzi’s record was in year 3? People like to say “hurr hurr Chad voytik sucked” but we were running out matt brown and Ben Dinnuci in year three of Narduzzi who made voytik look like Brett Favre.
Do you want to remind everyone which coach lost to Akron at home the year before Narduzzi?
K?
We also got absolutely obliterated by OSU...like one of the most embarrassing losses in program history, and lost to a 3-9 UNC team at home in 2017.
An Akron team with a losing record who manhandled us on our own field no less. That is as embarrassing as it gets.
Chryst was also recruiting loads of players whose only other offers were MAC schools. Had he stayed, you would have seen the long-term effects of that -- and it wouldn't have been pretty.
Mark my words: Wisky will slowly decline as Chryst recruits fewer quality players. And do you think that Chryst could have had Pitt ready to play last Saturday like The Duzz did? If so, put down the crack pipe.
Narduzzi has his warts but let's not kid ourselves with revisionist history: Had Chryst's tenure lasted longer, his unwillingness to compete for higher-lever recruits and penchant for losing to weaker opponents would have ultimately regressed the program.
Tell me you're not comparing those loses to Akron?.... Akron! Not even a power 5 school!!!! In year three!!!!!
You have no credibility left....
How's this for revisionist history?:
Paul Christ Average Recruiting Class Ranking at Pitt: 39.6
Pat Narduzzi Average Recruiting Class Ranking at Pitt: 43.6
Wisconsin's average class ranking in the five years before Chryst arrived: 45.4
Wisconsin's average class ranking in the five years since Chryst has been there: 37.6
Everything you said is complete and utter folk lore in the same way that people saying Aaron Donald was a 2-star is folk lore.
I'm not even a Chryst fan, but some of the rationalizations that get tossed around are just silly.
Chryst did not have to compete against PSU or Franklin. PSU was in the middle of their sanctions and Franklin wasn't around to pick up the best of Western, PA. Had there been no sanctions and Franklin had been around to compete with Chryst, there would have been, no Holtz and Johnson for sure and who knows who else...
Okay, but you just said "Bingo," and now you're moving the goal posts a bit. Maybe not quit enough for Kessman to hit a 20-yard field goal, but you're moving them, nevertheless.
And yeah - Chryst probably doesn't get those guys. Maybe he gets Thayer Munford and Mekhi Becton, though. Or Khaleke Hudson or whoever else. He had Givens, so there's one right off the bat. And I don't believe he had anywhere near the recruiting budget Narduzzi has, either.
Again, this is all insane, because I'm not a Chryst fan. My only point is that he and Narduzzi and pretty equal, all things considered.
