Who are our WRs?

[Sean Miller Fan]

I guess the loss of Addison matters after all. We will finish the 2022 season with the worst WR room we've had since Majors 2.

Is Mumpfield still hurt? If not, I suppose its him and Wayne with Means the #3. Wayne is a good #3 WR, but if he's your #1, you have issues.

Who is the #4 WR? Myles Alston? I have no idea who that is and I couldn't name another WR on the roster.

Whatever happened to Devin Whitlock? Not that he would have helped but fans were excited about him but he's not on the roster and there is no sign of him on the Internet.

 

[PittGuy00]

Many think Wayne will go pro after this year so how is he wr 3?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Many think Wayne will go pro after this year so how is he wr 3?

im a big Wayne fan and i think he is an above avg #2, SMF is wrong. i am curious how he is going to be viewed by nfl scouts. He has good size and hands but nothing too special when you compare it to other nfl WRs..

I feel like he will get a shot to make a roster as an UFA or maybe a very late round draft pick. I'd love to see him come back for another year to pitt for selfish reasons but honestly, would another year at pitt give him time to work on the reasons he wont be drafted? Probably not, especially with what will be a less than ideal qb situation for us in '23.

just hope he really likes being a college player or he has a huge 2nd half of the season and can get noticed by NFL GMs.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

im a big Wayne fan and i think he is an above avg #2, SMF is wrong. i am curious how he is going to be viewed by nfl scouts. He has good size and hands but nothing too special when you compare it to other nfl WRs..

I feel like he will get a shot to make a roster as an UFA or maybe a very late round draft pick. I'd love to see him come back for another year to pitt for selfish reasons but honestly, would another year at pitt give him time to work on the reasons he wont be drafted? Probably not, especially with what will be a less than ideal qb situation for us in '23.

just hope he really likes being a college player or he has a huge 2nd half of the season and can get noticed by NFL GMs.

Hold up. Are people saying Wayne may leave early to be a 7th round draft pick or UFA? This is 2022, not not 2019. It would make 0 sense for ANY college kid who is a mid to late round draft choice to leave school when they can stay in college and make potentially more than they can in the NFL. And they may not even make the NFL at all. A guy like Wayne should go into the portal and solicit NIL pay for play offers, at least to bid Pitt up if for no other reason. I would guess he would be worth around $100K. Maybe more. If he makes an active roster, he would make much more but there's no guarantee he makes a roster. He should stay in school, get paid, and try to improve his stock.

 

[pbrad]

WR's can't get open and when they do can't catch. This is why Bartholomew needs more targets.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Hold up. Are people saying Wayne may leave early to be a 7th round draft pick or UFA? This is 2022, not not 2019. It would make 0 sense for ANY college kid who is a mid to late round draft choice to leave school when they can stay in college and make potentially more than they can in the NFL. And they may not even make the NFL at all. A guy like Wayne should go into the portal and solicit NIL pay for play offers, at least to bid Pitt up if for no other reason. I would guess he would be worth around $100K. Maybe more. If he makes an active roster, he would make much more but there's no guarantee he makes a roster. He should stay in school, get paid, and try to improve his stock.

He's not leaving early, he's a senior..

honestly, i agree with you, either try and get a better NIL Deal here or go into transfer portal and use your super sr covid year and go to a team with a better QB/offensive system in '23.

OBviously, i hope he stays at pitt..

 

[infinitehighway42]

Hold up. Are people saying Wayne may leave early to be a 7th round draft pick or UFA? This is 2022, not not 2019. It would make 0 sense for ANY college kid who is a mid to late round draft choice to leave school when they can stay in college and make potentially more than they can in the NFL. And they may not even make the NFL at all. A guy like Wayne should go into the portal and solicit NIL pay for play offers, at least to bid Pitt up if for no other reason. I would guess he would be worth around $100K. Maybe more. If he makes an active roster, he would make much more but there's no guarantee he makes a roster. He should stay in school, get paid, and try to improve his stock.

Wayne is an international student and cannot make NIL money here or anywhere else.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Wayne is an international student and cannot make NIL money here or anywhere else.

dag, i keep forgetting that. what a weird rule.

 

[infinitehighway42]

dag, i keep forgetting that. what a weird rule.

It puts him in a weird position. For Baldonado, the NFL is a clearer option if he can stay healthy the rest of the year. For Wayne, he's a bit of a tweener who really could benefit from NIL money for one more year, but it's not possible.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Wayne is an international student and cannot make NIL money here or anywhere else.

How is Oscar Tshiebwe making $2 million?

 

[infinitehighway42]

How is Oscar Tshiebwe making $2 million?

Google it:

"Tshiebwe has become a leading figure in name, image, and likeness (NIL) deals, despite being unable to take full advantage of his celebrity due to holding a student visa. While he is allowed to sign sponsorship deals, he cannot make paid personal appearances (including autograph signings and commercial shoots) while in the U.S. with that visa status.[29] Tshiebwe's advisers are currently trying to change his visa status to "extraordinary ability", which would enable him to fully monetize his celebrity.[30] In August 2022, he was temporarily freed from the restrictions of his visa when the Wildcats went on a week-long preseason exhibition tour to The Bahamas.[31] When the team's plane landed in The Bahamas, Tshiebwe's first phone call was reportedly to his agent, asking "Where do you need me?",[30] and he did promotional work for four companies before fully settling into his hotel room.[31] During the Wildcats' down time on that tour, Tshiebwe made numerous photo shoots and advertising reads, and signed large quantities of memorabilia. UK head coach John Calipari was apparently unfazed by Tshiebwe's off-court work in The Bahamas, reportedly telling The Athletic, "He can’t do this stuff in the States. Oscar, you weren’t there today, but we all get why you’re doing what you’re doing."[30] By the end of the tour, he had reportedly made $500,000, bringing his total NIL money to $2.75 million in about 6 months. He used his first batch of NIL money to buy his mother a five-bedroom house, and has established a charitable foundation for the benefit of children in his homeland that is funded in large part by his NIL deals.[31]"

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

He's not leaving early, he's a senior..

honestly, i agree with you, either try and get a better NIL Deal here or go into transfer portal and use your super sr covid year and go to a team with a better QB/offensive system in '23.

OBviously, i hope he stays at pitt..

2019: true freshman
2020: doesn't count
2021: sophomore eligibility
2022: junior eligibility
2023: Covid year

He absolutely needs to play college football next season and can make a nice chunk of change doing it and improving his skill, maybe with the 🐐 down in Texas

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Google it:

"Tshiebwe has become a leading figure in name, image, and likeness (NIL) deals, despite being unable to take full advantage of his celebrity due to holding a student visa. While he is allowed to sign sponsorship deals, he cannot make paid personal appearances (including autograph signings and commercial shoots) while in the U.S. with that visa status.[29] Tshiebwe's advisers are currently trying to change his visa status to "extraordinary ability", which would enable him to fully monetize his celebrity.[30] In August 2022, he was temporarily freed from the restrictions of his visa when the Wildcats went on a week-long preseason exhibition tour to The Bahamas.[31] When the team's plane landed in The Bahamas, Tshiebwe's first phone call was reportedly to his agent, asking "Where do you need me?",[30] and he did promotional work for four companies before fully settling into his hotel room.[31] During the Wildcats' down time on that tour, Tshiebwe made numerous photo shoots and advertising reads, and signed large quantities of memorabilia. UK head coach John Calipari was apparently unfazed by Tshiebwe's off-court work in The Bahamas, reportedly telling The Athletic, "He can’t do this stuff in the States. Oscar, you weren’t there today, but we all get why you’re doing what you’re doing."[30] By the end of the tour, he had reportedly made $500,000, bringing his total NIL money to $2.75 million in about 6 months. He used his first batch of NIL money to buy his mother a five-bedroom house, and has established a charitable foundation for the benefit of children in his homeland that is funded in large part by his NIL deals.[31]"

Ok, so internationals are allowed to sign pay for play fake sponsorship deals. Good, thanks, that's what I thought.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It puts him in a weird position. For Baldonado, the NFL is a clearer option if he can stay healthy the rest of the year. For Wayne, he's a bit of a tweener who really could benefit from NIL money for one more year, but it's not possible.

I think even a guy like Baldonado, if you can go into the portal and make $200K-$400K, you do it unless he's absolutely guaranteed an NFL roster spot.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I think even a guy like Baldonado, if you can go into the portal and make $200K-$400K, you do it unless he's absolutely guaranteed an NFL roster spot.

no one is guaranteed an nfl spot.. why cant he make 200k here, why does he have to go into the portal?

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

We have some short memories.

2018 Receiving Yards:
Mack - 557
Ffrench - 515
Araujo-Lopes - 380
Mathews - 120

2017 Receiving Yards:
Weah - 698
Araujo-Lopes - 531
Ffrench - 272
Henderson - 186

2016 Receiving Yards (on an offense that was actually good):
Weah - 870
Ford - 288
Henderson - 286
Tipton - 142

Projected 2022 Receiving Yards (counting bowl game):
Wayne - 936
Mumpfield - 617
Means - 334


Are the receivers great this year? No. Are they any worse than what we're used to seeing? No, not really. They're serviceable. On top of all that, we also have a better pass-catching tight end than we've had most of those years.

I realize it's about more than just yards, because the yards have to come from somewhere no matter who is on the field. But these three guys and Barden are, again, at least serviceable. Wayne is proven, and I still think Mumpfield is good. I'd take him over a lot of guys on the list.

No matter how good they are, though, you have to rotate receivers if you want to throw downfield and run tempo. So, with the loss of Bradley, you can pretty much forget about that. We will now be even more of a run-dominated offense. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Pretty sure UNC has two highish picks at corner, and I'm sure Miami has some athletes back there. So I'm sure that will only further solidify Narduzzi's/Cignetti's thinking.

 

[infinitehighway42]

Ok, so internationals are allowed to sign pay for play fake sponsorship deals. Good, thanks, that's what I thought.

The exact type of sponsorship deal a guy like Wayne won't get. Sponsorship deals like what Tshiebwe gets are pretty unique to basketball. Nike can basically say "wear my shoe and I'll give you money". Those deals happened under the table even before NIL. They don't happen in football. And Tshiebwe is a top 5 type player in all of NCAA basketball, the equivalent of a heisman candidate in football. Wayne and Baldonado are nowhere near that level to attract similar deals. Hell, even Addison had to appear in a freakin' airplane ad to get one of his deals. The vast majority of NIL money, especially for guys at the level Wayne is at, will be made with paid appearances, commercials, and signing autographs.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

no one is guaranteed an nfl spot.. why cant he make 200k here, why does he have to go into the portal?

You have to go into the portal as a free agent to solicit offers and then go to Pitt and tell them to match.

 

[snaphook297]

I think we should move vinnie Davis to wr. Esp if Hammond is back

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I think even a guy like Baldonado, if you can go into the portal and make $200K-$400K, you do it unless he's absolutely guaranteed an NFL roster spot.

Where does Kancey project in the NFL? 4-3 DE, maybe? But he's not really tall enough to be anything more than a specialist in pass rushing situations. I guess he just sticks at undersized 4-3 DT. As much as anyone, he seems positionless at the next level. Like a Bonzie Colson or something.

If anyone should try to score a big NIL deal from a blue blood school (or Pitt), it's him.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The exact type of sponsorship deal a guy like Wayne won't get. Sponsorship deals like what Tshiebwe gets are pretty unique to basketball. Nike can basically say "wear my shoe and I'll give you money". Those deals happened under the table even before NIL. They don't happen in football. And Tshiebwe is a top 5 type player in all of NCAA basketball, the equivalent of a heisman candidate in football. Wayne and Baldonado are nowhere near that level to attract similar deals. Hell, even Addison had to appear in a freakin' airplane ad to get one of his deals. The vast majority of NIL money, especially for guys at the level Wayne is at, will be made with paid appearances, commercials, and signing autographs.

You're kidding right? Nike? Lolololololol

99% of Oscar Tshiebwe's NIL money is coming from Kentucky boosters. Nike isn't interested in signing a 2nd Round draft pick. Wayne can sign a pay for play booster NIL deal just like Tshiebwe. Don't be naive.

 

[infinitehighway42]

You're kidding right? Nike? Lolololololol

99% of Oscar Tshiebwe's NIL money is coming from Kentucky boosters. Nike isn't interested in signing a 2nd Round draft pick. Wayne can sign a pay for play booster NIL deal just like Tshiebwe. Don't be naive.

WHO IS GONG TO GIVE JARED FREAKIN WAYNE FREE MONEY?

Tshiebwe is a TOP 5 PLAYER. Jared Wayne IS NOT.

Sweet jesus, the free board is a cesspool of morons.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

WHO IS GONG TO GIVE JARED FREAKIN WAYNE FREE MONEY?

Tshiebwe is a TOP 5 PLAYER. Jared Wayne IS NOT.

Sweet jesus, the free board is a cesspool of morons.

well hate to stick up for smf but neither of these players have any sort of branding appeal to a shoe company or any company to be honest. as is the case for 99.999% of college athletes. the NIL offers will come from boosters, disguised as an NIL deal for them to play another season at their school..

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

well hate to stick up for smf but neither of these players have any sort of branding appeal to a shoe company or any company to be honest. as is the case for 99.999% of college athletes. the NIL offers will come from boosters, disguised as an NIL deal for them to play another season at their school..

Yeah, kind of silly to think otherwise. There are 1,001 pro athletes who carry way more name recognition and still wouldn't touch some of the deals these college (including recruits who have never played a snap) guys are getting. If that isn't a dead giveaway as to the essence of these deals, nothing is.

 

[infinitehighway42]

well hate to stick up for smf but neither of these players have any sort of branding appeal to a shoe company or any company to be honest. as is the case for 99.999% of college athletes. the NIL offers will come from boosters, disguised as an NIL deal for them to play another season at their school..

Yes, and the reason they come from those people is because they are really good players. Again, who is going to give Wayne free money to play for them? He doesn't have that level of appeal. He could easily get some package from a school, including Pitt, though some local businesses or an NIL collective to go make appearances and sign crap to funnel money to him, but he isn't allowed to do that. The only deals he can make are where someone literally hands him a check for nothing, and no one would do that because he's nowhere near that level.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Yes, and the reason they come from those people is because they are really good players. Again, who is going to give Wayne free money to play for them? He doesn't have that level of appeal. He could easily get some package from a school, including Pitt, though some local businesses or an NIL collective to go make appearances and sign crap to funnel money to him, but he isn't allowed to do that. The only deals he can make are where someone literally hands him a check for nothing, and no one would do that because he's nowhere near that level.

all the pitt hoops players have NIL deals, who gives them free money? Im a die hard pitt hoops fan and i cant name 50% of them.. most of these college players have NIL deals. i talked to the parents of a wvu offensive lineman and he has an NIL deal..

All of these NIL deals are "Free money", pay for play because boosters found a way to compensate players to play for their team. none of these college athletes have any level of appeal for a company..

If a college athlete has to be worth their return of investment for a company/business to give money on an NIL deal, 0.01% of these athletes would have an NIL deal..

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yes, and the reason they come from those people is because they are really good players. Again, who is going to give Wayne free money to play for them? He doesn't have that level of appeal. He could easily get some package from a school, including Pitt, though some local businesses or an NIL collective to go make appearances and sign crap to funnel money to him, but he isn't allowed to do that. The only deals he can make are where someone literally hands him a check for nothing, and no one would do that because he's nowhere near that level.

You really don't get it do you?

Jared Wayne is probably worth around $100,000 in salary. He will get that salary from Pitt or some other team on Pitt's level. His source of income would be the EXACT same as Oscar Tshiebwe's (ie boosters). Do you still not understand?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

all the pitt hoops players have NIL deals, who gives them free money? Im a die hard pitt hoops fan and i cant name 50% of them.. most of these college players have NIL deals. i talked to the parents of a wvu offensive lineman and he has an NIL deal..

All of these NIL deals are "Free money", pay for play because boosters found a way to compensate players to play for their team. none of these college athletes have any level of appeal for a company..

If a college athlete has to be worth their return of investment for a company/business to give money on an NIL deal, 0.01% of these athletes would have an NIL deal..

I don't know what he doesn't get. Pretty much every college player earns a salary now disguised as NIL. The better players earn more salary. Wayne, as a solid P5 2nd or 3rd WR is worth 6 figures to Pitt or some other team. The fact that he is Canadien is irrelevant. I guess he cant go out and sign a deal with Fuel and Fuddle for $500 but that isnt where the money is coming from. It comes from booster collectives

 

[infinitehighway42]

I repeated something said on here many times by Chris and Jim (international guys can't make NIL money, period), and clearly there is some subtlety to that, so I'll definitely take the L on that one. I don't think you can compare football guys, even starters, to basketball because the money and amount of players is not the same. NCAA basketball players were making money under the table in greater mounts prior to NIL and are certainly commanding quite a bit now.

My disconnect is that Wayne is worth anything, to any team, that they would just cut a check to him. There's no doubt a guy at Addison's level is getting tons of money just to play at a given school. With Wayne, specifically, I don't see him as commanding $100K in "salary" without at least showing up to take a pic with a Bowser truck or the other things we see here with guys like Kancey. A 4 star incoming basketball player, sure, you need to get them something to get them on the roster. For a mid range P5 WR (who I appreciate and want him on this team, btw), I don't see the motivation for an NIL collective to give him anything unless they feel he's going to leave and might get a deal somewhere else, but again, I don't think he's at the level to do that.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I repeated something said on here many times by Chris and Jim (international guys can't make NIL money, period), and clearly there is some subtlety to that, so I'll definitely take the L on that one. I don't think you can compare football guys, even starters, to basketball because the money and amount of players is not the same. NCAA basketball players were making money under the table in greater mounts prior to NIL and are certainly commanding quite a bit now.

My disconnect is that Wayne is worth anything, to any team, that they would just cut a check to him. There's no doubt a guy at Addison's level is getting tons of money just to play at a given school. With Wayne, specifically, I don't see him as commanding $100K in "salary" without at least showing up to take a pic with a Bowser truck or the other things we see here with guys like Kancey. A 4 star incoming basketball player, sure, you need to get them something to get them on the roster. For a mid range P5 WR (who I appreciate and want him on this team, btw), I don't see the motivation for an NIL collective to give him anything unless they feel he's going to leave and might get a deal somewhere else, but again, I don't think he's at the level to do that.

yeah but arent these programs coming up with Shell LLCs where they can funnel money to existing players and recruits? Completely void or any sort of actual "marketing- promotional" responsibilities?

That's where you get the value. not from a car dealership asking a 19 year old college WR to tweet out a pic of the truck..

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

I guess the loss of Addison matters after all.

Who said it didn't matter? I guess you're in a mood to knock over some strawmen.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Who said it didn't matter? I guess you're in a mood to knock over some strawmen.

yeah, that was kind of ridiculous. not one person on here said that losing Addison wasnt a killer. We lost the best WR in college football, we all knew it.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I repeated something said on here many times by Chris and Jim (international guys can't make NIL money, period), and clearly there is some subtlety to that, so I'll definitely take the L on that one. I don't think you can compare football guys, even starters, to basketball because the money and amount of players is not the same. NCAA basketball players were making money under the table in greater mounts prior to NIL and are certainly commanding quite a bit now.

My disconnect is that Wayne is worth anything, to any team, that they would just cut a check to him. There's no doubt a guy at Addison's level is getting tons of money just to play at a given school. With Wayne, specifically, I don't see him as commanding $100K in "salary" without at least showing up to take a pic with a Bowser truck or the other things we see here with guys like Kancey. A 4 star incoming basketball player, sure, you need to get them something to get them on the roster. For a mid range P5 WR (who I appreciate and want him on this team, btw), I don't see the motivation for an NIL collective to give him anything unless they feel he's going to leave and might get a deal somewhere else, but again, I don't think he's at the level to do that.

Dude, the motivation for an NIL collective to "sign him" is so he can be an important 2nd or 3rd WR. They dont care if he shows up at a car dealership. Its pay for play. I dont know what you dont understand. He would get paid the same way Tshiebwe is getting paid. Tshiebwe is getting $2 million. Wayne wouldn't get $2 million. He would get P5 WR starter money, which I estimate to be around 100K.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

I think we should move vinnie Davis to wr. Esp if Hammond is back

I think you already saw that some the last two games. He can be a slot guy, motion guy, maybe jet sweep, WR screens, etc..

 

[infinitehighway42]

yeah but arent these programs coming up with Shell LLCs where they can funnel money to existing players and recruits? Completely void or any sort of actual "marketing- promotional" responsibilities?

That's where you get the value. not from a car dealership asking a 19 year old college WR to tweet out a pic of the truck..

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that I don't think every football player at Wayne's level, at Pitt, is getting a salary paid through those fronts. Sure, bluebloods probably are, but I don't think Pitt can support paying every single guy on their roster and focuses more on keeping guys like Hill and Kancey from leaving. I don't think Wayne falls into that category. Maybe he does after the season, maybe, but the NIL deals that I think a guy at his level, at Pitt, is going to get are the low level "sign this and I'll pay you" types that he can't get.

If the whole argument here is Wayne can either roll the dice in the NFL or stay and get a bunch of NIL money, I don't think the second option is any less risky. The routes to get him money are less due to his visa, and he's not widely known enough to get a high enough money in NIL to give him an easy decision to stay in college, and I don't think a blueblood that DOES just pay out to every player on the roster is going to want him.

 

[TD_6082]

I don't know what he doesn't get. Pretty much every college player earns a salary now disguised as NIL. The better players earn more salary. Wayne, as a solid P5 2nd or 3rd WR is worth 6 figures to Pitt or some other team. The fact that he is Canadien is irrelevant. I guess he cant go out and sign a deal with Fuel and Fuddle for $500 but that isnt where the money is coming from. It comes from booster collectives

He's not a solid 2 at most schools that throw around big NIL money.

 

[Ski11585]

Nobody is paying Wayne $100K in NIL deals.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Nobody is paying Wayne $100K in NIL deals.

The bar keeps getting raised. He'll get somewhere around that. Heck, every OL at Texas makes $50K, even the sucky ones who never play.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The routes to get him money are less due to his visa, and he's not widely known enough to get a high enough money in NIL

Being "widely known" is irrelevant. These deals arent done for marketing purposes. Boosters are buying wins. If he goes in the portal, 50 teams will contact him and evaluate him even if they never heard of him. The ones that are more serious (and maybe more desperate) will go to their boosters to make him an offer. I think he can get $100K. Ski thinks a starting P5 WR is only worth like $10K but he's way off.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Being "widely known" is irrelevant. These deals arent done for marketing purposes. Boosters are buying wins. If he goes in the portal, 50 teams will contact him and evaluate him even if they never heard of him. The ones that are more serious (and maybe more desperate) will go to their boosters to make him an offer. I think he can get $100K. Ski thinks a starting P5 WR is only worth like $10K but he's way off.

dont have a good grasp of the market value but i can imagine MANY high level P5 teams coveting someone like him. A very experienced, good sized, good hands WR. he'd look really good on a lot of rosters, especially OURS.