Who exactly are we recruiting?
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If you get bored some day...
Go into every Power 6 team that makes the NCAA Tournament this year, and count the number of players each team has with an ORTG of over 100+. Then do it for 95+, then 90+.
You will come to find out the magic number is right at 7-8. I did this very exercise with respect to the Big Ten maybe a week ago to prove my point on here about what is needed to be NCAA worthy with respect to ORTG.
The numbers don't lie. If you are at 6 players or less, you are in significant trouble. If you have multiple players like Jeffress in the 70's or Brown in the 80s, you are in serious trouble. You cant have that type of serious weakness and be an NCAA Tournament team.
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LOL, dude this is what everyone is saying and why everyone is complaining about ZERO recruits for 2021. It's why nobody cares about the 2022 class. On a good team AKC and Horton come off the bench and their usage goes down, not up.
You're 100% right, they need an injection of ACC talent in a big way. Which is exactly what we're all saying. It has nothing to do with AKC's usage.
If Pitt put out there on the court 7 or 8 guys with AKC abilities I doubt they’d be a contender in the ACC , but what Vader is saying , I believe , is that he wasn’t the reason for Pitts issues this season . If they had enough players who could‘ve performed equally as well as AKC did they’d have been a much better team .
It’s common sense that you need enough players who play at a certain level to be a successful team and if he’s done the research I’m willing to buy into his numbers . It was painfully obvious that Jeffress and Collier just aren’t ready to play at this level yet and you don’t need any detailed status statistical analysis to understand this .
Let’s not give up on AKC he made nice strides from yr 1 to 2 . Let’s hope Jeffress and Collier do also .
Can AKC even touch the backboard? He can’t jump!!! No way he gets 6 rebounds a game unless he is playing all guys 6 feet and shorter.
Signs your program might be struggling:
Hoping for a favorable court hearing for a building block next season.
Hoping for a favorable court hearing for a building block next season.
My thoughts are that while Odukale had some good games and shows some good promise for the future, it's obvious that right now, this season, Johnson was the better player.
I'm not sure where or when I "wrote it in stone", but if I did, good on me because I obviously got that one right.
It's telling you that we played worse on offense the last five games than we did the rest of the season. Not a lot worse, but worse.
Wait a second, that wasn't what you were going for, was it.
I don't want him back either.
It’s amazing that people can’t separate that we were clearly better with XJ and wanting him back. We wouldn’t win next year with or without him so it was time to move on.
Im going to enjoy revisiting this in the future. Femi vs X. I really am.
Just like the Horton vs Turnover Mcgowens debate
McGowens was a wayyyyy better overall player. Not even close.
By all means, please do.
Remember what the argument is though. I know that Johnson was a better player this year that Odukale. You think that Odukale was better. It the argument has nothing at all, literally, absolutely nothing at all, about whether Odukale becomes a better player a year or two from now than Johnson was when he was here.
I mean I get that there is a really good chance that that's what you will want to pretend we are talking about, because that's the kind of thing that you do. But you can pretend as much as you want, that won't change what the actual discussion was.
The only way you can even think they are in the same area code is if you completely ignore that McGowens was a pretty good defender and Horton is, ah, well, not.
Why do you have a hard on for a player whose team has been awful and finishes in last place wherever he plays?
Let me clarify. I already said X was the better player this year. Multiple times in unedited posts in the past. But Odukale is going to fly past him in the future. Still has nothing to do with Femi's playing time being as low as it was a chunk of the season as it should have been higher.
It’s not a hard on. He’s a better overall player. There’s one thing he doesn’t do better than Horton. That isn’t gonna change anytime soon.
Wait a second. You agree with me that Johnson was the better player this year. And you agree with me that we should have been playing Odukale more earlier this season. So what, exactly, is it that we are going to be revisiting in the future?
Just so I can keep this straight.
That Femi is going to fly past X.
And yea I agree with you X was better this year. His ORTG was higher the whole season and Femi started off real slow to start. Although Odukale closed the gap substantially in the last month. In the end, it was very tight in ACC Conference play. I dont feel like digging up the stats again. But you can compare the acc conference only stats to see what Im talking about.
Hopefully we can recruit over Horton and have him provide instant offense coming off the bench. I wouldn’t want to count on either player starting and playing 30 minutes a game.
When did I ever say that Odukale couldn't end up a better player than Johnson?
I mean if we are going to look back years from now on what we argued about, shouldn't it actually be something that we argued about?
If I confused you with someone else, then my mistake. Perhaps I did.
I'm sorry, but is Jaime Dixon coaching this team?
Do all coaches share the same recruiting philosophy?
Did it occur to you that he may have wanted to use his open scholarships on grad transfers? It is noted on this board that he is recruiting 2022 kids very hard.
I mean I was arguing (and I'm not saying I was the only one) earlier this year that we should be finding ways to play him more. I wouldn't say that if I thought someone was both worse than the guy that they would have been taking some time from AND that they had no chance to be better in the future.
I did say to the people who thought that we should move Johnson to the two to make those minutes happen were wrong, because I don't think Johnson could be an effective two.
Don't know anything about him, but I'd take him based on his stats. I'm gonna guess a lot of teams will be interested.
NC St and Arizona already involved. Going to explore professional options overseas as well.
Has made like 400 career 3 pointers at 6’7”
Has made like 400 career 3 pointers at 6’7”
The number #1 responsibility of all P5 or P6 D1 b-ball is recruiting
A big part of HCJC's attractiveness was his rep for recruiting
To answer your question:
There is no doubt that all D1 coaches are recruiting all the time.
That's hardly unique to JD or anyone else.
That is job
You reframe HCJC's failure to recruit anyone for 2021 during the prime recruiting season as realizing his objectives. You might consider replacing his agent or becoming a professional apologist.
There's no way to put a good face on this.
It was a big whiff.
And I like and am rooting for JC .
But let's recognize it for what it is: a Ziggy.
And it's a matter for concern.
Especially, going into yr 4 of a rebuild.
Jaimie needs to worry about his mess at TCU
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Ok so here goes my take.
Coming into the season we had 1 or 2 scholarships.
Looking at the roster
We can go back and forth on this years recruiting. The way I look at it is that coming into the year he had 1-2 scholarships. Based on his roster and what kids would have been back the kids he may have been looking at may have been limited. Some of the kids he may have been looking at may not of wanted to sit behind upperclassmen. I think with only a few scholarships he may have come into the season hoping to fill them with a grad transfer or 2. As we have read on the board (and a few places outside this board) it looks like he is trying to load up.
Now, was this the right approach? Only Capel knows for sure. I too am a fan and think he can elevate the program. The way I look at it is this was a dumpster fire with the last coach. I people on this board want him gone, that is their opinion. Many people want instant satisfaction, sometimes it takes a little longer.
I am going to ask you a what if question. Lets just say we didn't have all the issues we had on this team this year and they were good enough to at least go to the NIT and return all the players again for next year? Would you have been satisfied? If everybody would have been back for next year we wouldn't be worried so much about who he was recruiting and would have gladly taken a grad transfer.
Interesting take. A static look at recruiting as a whole before all of these personnel actions and it certainly may have been a case of kids looking at playing time as the roster was constructed AT THAT TIME. Coaches are supposed to be recruiting 365 days a year but maybe kids weren’t interested in playing for Pitt then. Maybe things change a bit now.
