They deserve every bit of this nightmare...I hope it never ends.
They had everyone brainwashed years!
They had everyone brainwashed years!
Will PSU's nightmare ever end?...................
- Thread starter ERICCARTMAN
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Their nightmare is reality... Joe knew and now is rotting where he belongs.
Marci is one of the most knowledgeable Legal Scholars on Child Abuse. She in particular has as her legal specialty how Institutional Protection of its own Leadership and Culture that foster or Cover-Up Child Abuse. This includes Catholic Church, UN Peacekeepers, and in particular her own Penn State University where she went to Graduate School.She is also major in Literature Writing and you can bet she will put out her own book that will be made into a movie.
Ms. Hamilton went to Graduate School at Penn State and is a tough honorable jurists that cannot be intimidated. She herself has been attacked by some of PSU Cultists like you describe in PnnyLiar's like the Hate he displays on Rivals under many names.
There is also a Professor of Law at Illinois University whose Amazon Book was attacked by the Cult and recorded by the way. These Women with Righteous Guile won't back down and they will respond as more comes out.
Just like in the movie SPOTLIGHT whereby a Former Priest that married a Nun was attacked, discredited and became a Victim by the Roman Catholic Church but still remained a Catholic. He is now an Icon of Bravery and Vindicated because he told, reported, and exposed the truth once the media got on top of all it! He is now and invited to speak at many places and being used as an Expert Witness in many Cases.
There is why there is also a Third Choice for Penn state University as time goes by and Children Abuse will overcome any Football Culture Legacy.
Again, just like we saw in SPOTLIGHT Academy Award Winning Film, Ray Rice Playing No Longer for Domestic Abuse, Rutgers BB Head Coach, Bill Cosby Trial Alleged History, Baylor University dealing with any Sport's Icon or Coach or Entertainer. it is even showing up in this years Presidential Campaign as Trump points how Clinton's treated Women, Bill allegedly used?
Today.s and more importantly tomorrows Social Media will prevail over anything puts Past Winning while not practicing Compliance's and then preaching how any Sport's Football Program was better than others, smacks of pique not honoring it.
Today's Social Media won't accept even past history as time goes by. Many Books, Commentaries, and Documentaries are now criticizing some Founding Father's as Slave Owners, Presidents like Andrew Jackson taking Cherokee Land in spite of a Supreme Court Order, Supreme Court Dred Scott Decisions making Human Being Property, Alamo & Texas Independence about Mexico Banning Slavery, Confederate Flags & Monuments, Supreme Court Eugenics Decision. There will be future topics like that in Movies and books bet on it.
Additionally now Athletes, Coaches, Owners being involved or tainted by Crimes and treated above the Rule of Law because they are worshiped by fans for winning, lawyer up, and hard to defend even if Due Process may force a settlement, The shame is not going away..
My point is the Third Choice will grow in the coming years not demanding Paterno Statue back on Campus if Allegations are published are damaging depending how they are published?
The Third Choice will be a Statue Memorial for the Child Victims, as well as honoring Sara Ganim and other Prominent PSU Alumni that condemn Penn State and still do from the outset for allowing that kind of twisted Cover-Up Culture to flourish.
Like in the Movie SPOTLIGHT, once everything is published on what happen to the Victims in brutal detail, not just saying the word molestation? A full brutal descriptions like AG Kane Altoona-Johnstown Molestation Investigation published.
If one recalls, the Movie SPOTLIGHT ends with and then Phone Calls from over 600 Victims and reported it was not just 87 Priest but 249 Priest with eventually over 1,000 Victims came to light and published by many Newspapers and showed all Dioceses in Cities that reported Cover-Ups. Today, there are over 7,600 Abuse cases Pending before courts worldwide on just Catholic Church. Marci and others are going after other Institutional Abuse and won't be silent and won't accept being attacked for it?
As stated earlier, Dead Icons Do Not Write Their Own History, others do it and slogans that worked once alive to win won't prevail in the long run if Victims are still alive and details come out not as expected by even the Paterno Family let alone the Alumni that think they are saving Penn State's Name & Shame?
We shall see soon!
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It may happen depending on The Second Mile Reopening investigation and after Settlement Allegations are published. As stated, it could grow bigger not get smaller, due to the PMA-PSU Insurance Case.
If it becomes a First Amendment Issue over any Privacy Confidentiality Agreements like it was decided in SPOTLIGHT Cases that Unsealed just 14 Cases?
Once those cases were reported in the Boston Globe, others came out as over 600 Victims phone in, and instead of 87 Priest it was actually 249 Priest and then in all Diocese in many US Cities and then Worldwide?
The PSU Trustees have been attacked so badly, and just feel it may be better if all information is released as demanded, but when the description of victim's come out, even the most Self-Righteous PSU Cultists may end being ashamed? This is what I was told by some great PSU Alumni and they have no fear of intimidation and think it may good to get it all out once and for all.
If the Statute of Limitation is extended or removed due to the Media Spotlight from Allegations not published before, it could really be the very nightmare on the Cultist not just the University and Program?
Again, we shall see but I think Victim's Alive with Horrific Descriptive Stories will prevail over any Past Coaches Legacy of Wins claimed under a Banner of Hypocratical Honor???
The Media, Freeh, NCAA and Trustees, have been attacked by quotes in the The Paterno Report Advocates as believed by the PSU Cultists that went on Emails, Twitter, and Social Media like Blogs on Rivals, ESPN, CBS, Yahoo Sports, and Newspaper Comments refuting and attacking the Reporters? We all saw and read them as these some Bloggers had to be banned and Posts taken down even on the Lair?
Just remember this about the MEdia? You go after them and they remember and they wait for all Information to come out just like many were warned at the Boston Globe connected to Catholic Charities?
It can get even worse when Legal Eagles at Illinois University Law School, Women and Children Protective Groups, and prior Prosecutors like Marci Hamilton combine with Victim Stories. Once those details are told to the world with no sense of shame anymore by any Victim now will become known and published.
Penn State was trying to do the right thing to protect the University with Confidential Information they paid not to come out, but will now come out anyway due to many Alumni that filed Lawsuits demanding all of the truth?
The ME, ME, ME, in the word MEdia will run to dig deeper and publish what can become a Cottage Industry of books, documentaries, and movies for decades to comes not just years.
They will do it because they were Victims of their own reporting by being attacked by those trying to protect, restore, and demand the return of a Statue but the expansion of Legal Statute of Limitations, may Limit that Effort and end up embarrassing even more prominent PSU Alumnus!
Learn it a long time, "When One Goes After A Giant Make Sure You Kill That Giant, Because He Can Come After And Step On You!
The Media won't let those go because the cultists attacked them and used the Paterno Report that may have to retract its own Paid For Conclusions once the Allegations are in Public Domain and given Full Reign?
On the other hand, if the Allegations vindicate Joe did not know, Penn State is still in trouble and either way, Penn State is dealing with more scandals and cover-ups alleged in the PS4RS, Alumni, McQueary, Other Trustees, Former Players, and Paterno Lawsuits?
We shall know soon what and how the Allegations are produced and how it impacts on the University or Insurance Companies favors or hurts, or ends up expanding more Lawsuits due to SOL expansion?
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UPS created an everlasting nightmare for a group of children and their families. Accordingly., their turmoil should be equally long and severe.
After last year's well-received release of pedophile enabler in a can, Duquesne Beer is releasing a "lite" version of St. Joe beer. The beer sounds like an obvious choice for those who don't want to ruin their weekend with a case of full strength enabling ale.
Obviously, it goes without saying that Paterno Lite beer will be as watered down as the Cult claims McQueary's story was to St. Joe.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/paterno-lite-beer-coming-soon.124491/
Obviously, it goes without saying that Paterno Lite beer will be as watered down as the Cult claims McQueary's story was to St. Joe.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/paterno-lite-beer-coming-soon.124491/
Obviously the people at Duquense Beer have no morals! What's next- Altoona Priest Ale?
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As stated, Dead Men Don't Get To Write Their History! As previously posted, Penn State Fans are on record demanding the full truth and may have to accept the full truth and then live by their own motto. Once they know the full truth will walk away from the Penn State Football Era between 1966-2011.
I think it has dawned on the Trustees the Court of Public Opinion is changing and even they are realizing PSU Alumni and Fans demanding a return and honoring Paterno somehow even this year maybe should be delayed?
The New Unsealed Allegations may actually not only backfire over time, but then they will grow into a bigger embarrassment and the very support PSU President, AD, Trustees want to Restore may grow even bigger in Public Opposition, it can't be done.
If the revelations are so heinous like in SPOTLIGHT Cases put out in a Motion in Public that actually led to a total condemnation of the Catholic Church Cover-Ups by the Public and led to many more Lawsuits that went worldwide? The Baylor Case just reinforces how Sports have to change. Penn State name and shame is mention every time with Baylor today.
Even Penn State Alumni will realize the full truth in those Allegations will prevail over any Slogans, Legacy of Hypocrisy Not Honorable Culture, and any Records of Winning that duped them as well the NCAA, Public and used to create Victims that could not defend them.
Even the Paterno's may have to admit they did not know and they were exempt from disclosure in such details since it never went allegedly beyond Joe and Tarman the AD?
The MEdia's Victims Details will trump any explanations whether Joe did not take those Allegations seriously way back in 1970s-80s, and called it Horsing Around?
And since they came from troubled children that Pedophiles often target knowing they would not be believed, and it was more important to protect the Program anyway against Allegations no one wants to hear or talk about in those days. Whereby most of Society was hiding from them anyway everywhere in churches, schools, and just did not know how to handle them?
The Paterno's are decent people that feel Joe has been treated unfairly but if if Joe kept that from them, well, they have to admit Victims Today have to come before any Legacy of Yesterday.
To be fair, I have defended Joe himself posting it is my belief Joe like most of us would be confused on what to do if he heard in 1998 Jerry was under Investigation, but was dismissed by Gricar. Joe got Jerry to retire and thought that was the end of it.
The 2001 Incident was another matter and I said I can wait for all the Criminal and Civil Cases to decide what can be proven or removed.
However, if it comes out Joe was told in 1971, 1976, 1987, and 1988, and Jerry said it was just Horsing Around and you can't believe those Lying Children.....again I can sympathize when judging Paterno during the Prevailing Social Norms of the 1970-80s on Children Abuse.
Still, that is just me, and I am not making excuses for Joe, just explaining I can understand how he would himself dismiss the Allegations at those times. Joe is those days were on attack mode on anything that would impute Penn State Grand Experiment Slogan and Penn State would ban Reporters that challenged it?
I may post some old articles links for younger posters that do not know how Joe used to attacked other Football coaches Programs while promoting his own Program, and the NCAA and Fans believed it.
However, The MEdia and Public won't consider my above reaction and they will point to Joe knowing 4 earlier times before 1998 and 2001. It be hard to defend what Joe said under Grand Jury Oath, if the Allegations turn out to contradict him? Joe will be judged on 2012-2016 Standards not 1970-80. Such Allegations could refute much of The Paterno Report since the Experts Paid to write it did not know of Settlement Allegation in Details to be fair to them too?
This could actually cause Children Public Advocacy Groups march in protests in Harrisburg demanding all Statute of Limitations be removed opening up far more Cases and attacking the very Politicians that settled the Consent Decree that are Penn State Graduates themselves. along with a detailed investigation of The Second Mile that Corbett's Frank Fina's OAG Team ignored.
Along with marches on Campus demanding changes in the Penn State Murals removal of Joe all together not just the Halo.
People marching and turning into a raging Mob could become violent if ignored and attack the Mural itself. Or even if one Victim that was attacked by the PSU Cult saying he just wanted money could do the same out of anger., and that Mural may be Whitewashed all together, let alone any thought of Return to Paterno Statue!
The stakes are getting higher on what will happen and how Penn State is dealing with a Scandal that now may grow bigger than it was when made public a week after 409th Win?
It will no longer be a 409 Clean Up but a way to get all Alumni, Trustees, and Administration just all uniting and saying it was worse than we ever knew and, as the MEdia does it jobs with Victims and victims Advocates, will just say, i don't want to discuss it, and we moved on, and knowing Joe's Memory and Legacy will be written by others not him. It will end with "I Should Have Done More!"
Far more now that everyone knows when and what he knew in the Allegations and that can't be erased, if they are as horrific as SPOTLIGHT once printed about what happen at Boston?
Penn State Alma Mater Song Name is already Shamed, but the MEdia will be coming like a Giant attacked by a Penn State CULTists that enraged the MEdia by attacking them?
Michael Keaton is on a Academy Award Run after SPOTLIGHT and now coming soon FOUNDER, he is a Pennsylvanian and may want to make a Movie or Netflix Series on what really happen at Penn State?
We shall see soon?
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It is safer bet the Scandal is not going away but is actually widening and like Cosby and Ray Rice Endorsements go away depending how the Paterno decide to go forward with the Commercial Disparagement Lawsuit, even Nike's Shoe Contract with Joe Information is now part of Discovery.
As stated before, Defamation Cases go both ways depending on the what the Full Truth can be proven and defended as well as what other truths were kept hidden and then found by the Defense Teams. Just look at Gawker (Now In Bankruptcy) Libel Jury Verdict?
Why it is best to wait for all Criminal and Civil Lawsuits to be decided, dismissed, settled or go to trial whereby even more now Sealed Documents could emerge???? The one tell tell sign to know will be how some Advertisers will drop away quietly?
When ESPN can do a OJ Series that gets High Ratings after both Criminal & Civil Trials are far over for over 20 years, what do you think will happen to The Penn State Way, Grand Experiment and Success with Honor Story?
Even YOUTUBE are now producing New Free Movies on topics they think will make great money on advertising streaming!!!! Throw in Netflix, Amazon, and HBO and you now know in 2 weeks why many Documents will be Unsealed in the future not just a few anymore?
Once they go Public or Victims are released to tell their stories or can make more money telling their stories over any Settlement Number Giveback, or Victims that have not been allow to file Lawsuits due to Statute of Limitations tell their own stories.....one no longer can imagine what will happen, because reality will Wake Up the Echoes and I am not talking about Notre Dame?
The Seeds of Soiled Slogan Success in Winning Football Games will become Echoes into Eternity of what really happen and may not be as Honorable as believed in the 1970s forward? Even Alumni that once defended such winning will apologize and end it with We Did Not Know? Over any WE ARE?
They may even have to change that Public Relations Cheer copied from "WE ARE SC" in the 1980s. Or USC may file a Commercial Disparagement against Penn State and they will have to remove the "WE ARE" and just create OUR NEW..........PENN STATE!
We shall see soon?
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It could get worse if Big Ten Home Stadiums start their own Cheers to compete and counter Penn State "WE ARE" Games.
No question, Michigan, Ohio State, Iowa, MSU, Rutgers, Maryland and other Big Ten Stadiums will shout from one end to another end of their own Stadium... JOE....KNEW!
On the other hand, if the Allegations are baseless then moving on will be easier for all concerned about PSU.
We shall see?
No question, Michigan, Ohio State, Iowa, MSU, Rutgers, Maryland and other Big Ten Stadiums will shout from one end to another end of their own Stadium... JOE....KNEW!
On the other hand, if the Allegations are baseless then moving on will be easier for all concerned about PSU.
We shall see?
Speaking of PnnyLiar (Now Malanoce) looks like the BWI Poster has taken exception to him more than Acceptance, he is still Dumpster Searching I suspect and bragging about it? Gives a whole new meaning to Junk Collector?
EXCERPT & LINK:
BIOGRAPHY
Chembie is a militant PSU Football fan, who will not accept any criticism of Penn State. From what I can tell, he resides in Western Pennsylvania. He despises all things related to Pitt, and will often accuse posters who criticize PSU of being Pitt fans. He often implies that all anti-psu posts are from the same person. His insults are legendary. He has created his own unique language which others strive to imitate. Over time, his lunatic ramblings become hilarious. Overall, this man is seriously mentally disturbed, but luckily it benefits us all.
http://chembie.blogspot.com/2007/03/message-board-hall-of-famer-chembie.html
Cap't, Please post away on paternoster and his actions...
This is just some speculation until the entire victims records, complaints, and allegations are revealed and dependent on how much is revealed by the judge. Already one victim has stated he does not want his name out.
I prefer to fair to all parties and views until we can actually read the details and then i may have to apologize as well, in defending Joe's Confused Actions in 2001 and earlier dealings in 1998. Especially if Allegations emerged in a number of time way back in 1970-80s? It will be hard for me to believe Joe Knew and protected Sandusky prior to 2001 and I will still admire other aspects of Joe even if he made grave mistakes in judgments if the Allegations show that too?
Yet, other Victims may say, like in SPOTLIGHT, hell with it, use my name, and I want my story told. This led to more Victims coming out after the Media Publications, it open the flood gates to overwhelming the Catholic Church problems with Pedophile and Sexual Attacks on Children being covered up and Priest removed but not terminated nor prosecuted?
If this the allegations are horrific as in SPOTLIGHT's Abuse Details, and alleged AD Tarman and Coach Joe were allegedy told, but alleged discounted them 4 times or more, it will be asked why and how they could do that by the Media and Public?
It will be like everyone near and around Penn State was like the Fictional Daily Planet where Superman Worked as Clark Kent and not one of those Editors or Reporters could figure it out Superman and Clark Kent were the same people????
This is why I never liked Superman that much, they had the Dumb to Dumber People working at Daily Planet, including Superman breaking down doors and punching out guys that threw guns at him after they shot him 10 times?
The same thing will be asked over and over, how Joe did not know, or did he really cover it up, and was football more important than Children being Victimized? The Media and Public will be brutal and because the Baylor Cases are just the start of a Society that won't admire Football Winning at Women or Children's expense, pain or nightmares to protect cheers and money? Top Coaches will and are now being fired like Briles and Paterno were, and includes University Presidents that won't take action to stop or worse condone it?
On the other hand, if those allegations are not put out in there entirety and look weak and should not have been settled, then Penn State still has some answering to do along with PMA Insurers being asked if you knew to put in Exemption Clauses on Pedophile Coverage's why didn't you do something in 1992??????
Either way, Penn State will still end up with a problem from the Media, Insurers, and Public, or the Paterno's Lawsuit will continue and ask for more information on mistakes made by Penn State for their Lawsuit to continue and come to Trial this year?
I have no idea if the Allegations will be the Kryptonite Material from the Penn State 1966-2011 Football Program Era Fictional Universe of Slogans but not Compliance's that adds to the radioactivity of the current Paterno Legacy or will vindicate Joe never knew until 2001 or 1998?
We shall see after we read and the Media will do the rests either way?
Captain, Muhammad Ali figured out that Clark Kent was really Superman. But Ali promised Superman that he would not reveal his true identity. 
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/06/04/remembering-when-muhammad-ali-took-on-superman/
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/06/04/remembering-when-muhammad-ali-took-on-superman/
Well, it depends on how the Redacted Allegations Unsealed Documents will be given to the Media and what is in them?
We know Joe cried about how his reputation will be viewed that was reported in Books and Media?
We know Joe publicly said, In Hindsight He Should Have Done More?
We know Joe knew about 1998 Allegations and Investigations that were dismissed by Gricar.
We have Joe's Grand Jury Testimony about what he knew and how he knew and what he did in 2001?
We know now PMA Insurance put in such an Exemption Non-Coverage Clause On Pedophilia in 1992 and Judge ruled that no Cases after that are covered.
We know the Media now demand under The First Amendment and against Penn State Objections, a redacted version of Allegations will be released.
We know one Victim that allegedly and vaguely claims he told Joe and Tarman do not want his name released?
Therefore, the Media will report on what will be publish and will add to whether Alleged Joe Knew before 1998-2001 as some claims in Allegations in Settlements now Unsealed!
Or "When" if Joe was at least informed of about Allegations and How, and not just in 1998 and 2001 in the Grand Jury under Oath as given.
The Paterno Legal & Publication Relations Team will respond as well and that is fair too.
The JoeBots won't decide a thing nor anyone else and that includes me.
The Victim Allegations and subsequent possible more Victim's Limited by (SOL) Statute of Limitations may come out, and the Court of Public Opinion will decide just like what is coming out in the Baylor Football Scandal.
Penn State will also respond too, since it was them that sued the PMA Insurance for coverage's on Expenses, Fines, and Costs they feel were insured under the Penn State University Football Program Scandal.
If there was No Scandal or Wrong Doing as JoeBots believe, espouse and defend there would be no need for Penn State Insurance Coverage's Claims?
Additionally, no JoeBot has been able to explain why the Penn State 2012 Reforms were put in to correct what happen under the 1966-2011 Penn State University Program Paterno Era?
Just like the Baylor University Program Art Briles Era is now having New Reforms cahnge what went wrong at Baylor University Football Program under President Starr, AD, and Coach Briles, regardless of what happens in the Criminal Trials or Civil Lawsuits?
Past Record Wins at Penn State and Baylor, or NCAA no longer matter as much a Victims choosing to fight back silences and alleged cover-ups and why Lawyers, Insurance Companies, and Prosecutors are involved at Penn State and Baylor!
JoeBots wanted more information and many claim if it comes out Joe Knew sooner, they will change their minds, so we may or may not fully know in a few weeks, but something went terribly wrong and the JoeBots are demanding Transparency and are getting it little by little like the Media and Public?
The Criminal Pre-Trial Motions will be given on 1st of July by the way, and a month later Prosecutors will respond. So, Trials and Lawsuits are moving along as well. These and other Allegations may or may not affect both depending what else comes out?
Unlike the JoeBots that have concluded nothing went wrong at Penn State or blame just Penn State, I can wait, watch, read, and listen and make my own opinions and may change some too!
We shall read and see soon and JoeBots too!
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Too bad Ali did not work at the Daily Planet or near and around State College?Captain, Muhammad Ali figured out that Clark Kent was really Superman. But Ali promised Superman that he would not reveal his true identity.
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/06/04/remembering-when-muhammad-ali-took-on-superman/
Ali might have been able to use his ID of Superman to use his time to better both organizations perceptions, insights, and investigations in having others ID Sandusky as a Predator at 1st Allegation? Instead after the 110th and maybe far more Victims out there still hidden in silence due to Statute of Limitations and Sealed Documents?
Ali stood up for himself, his beliefs, and against the Draft, at his greatest moment of being a Champion. Society took his Title, 3 Years of his ability to make a living for his family and life, and Ali won it all back again!
Ali had slogans, rhymes, and entertained to build up the Money Gate and later paid the price by suffering unable to speak, from what it did to his body and mind, but never sold his soul for himself?
Ali is a Prime Example of how Dead Men Do Not Get To Write Their History, and the Epitaphs on Ali this past month were not "I Should Have Done More!" Ali did plenty with no regrets!
This is why the world saluted Ali's Life and Legacy! At the same time many in and around State College and PSU Alumni can't understand why the world no longer views the Maker of 409 Record Wins as a Penn Saint Superman entitled to the same Legacy?
Legacies are written from all histories by Media, Authors and Publishers choosing to write them, not just parts. It can be unfair while one is alive and unfortunately after death can't respond to all Allegations that may or may not be facts as decided by the Court of Public Opinion.
I admire Joe's Coaching and Joe did cry about how his own Legacy will be viewed but he did run his Penn State Program without much oversight as known now. What worked and was won back then to build, protect, and promote the Program is now Part of that Paterno History and will be judged by everything including Allegations!
Ali made mistakes too in some eyes, but Ali's legacy was defined what he did at the worse time in his life not just at the best times!
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The problem is when you have covered up pedophilia by your 2nd in command for 27 years and continue post retirement the truth will ruin the program, school and jokepa.
They needed be truthful back in the 70s or whenever joe first knew. Unless it was known when sandusky 1st was hired. IMO this runs so deep and for soooo long it had to be covered up or Sandusky would have never even been on that staff.
If true as you say, and not denying you may be right, then there will be serious repercussions on all aspects of the Penn State University Football Program Scandal.
This includes Criminal Cases and maybe more Investigations if more Victims come out and then go Public with Horror Stories no one will want to hear but Children Advocacy Groups will demand the removal of all SOL Statute Of Limitations and holding all responsible.
It will be far worse than the first time the Scandal was kept quiet and unpublished until a week after the 409th Win?
The Media will be let loose and relentless and even the NCAA, Big Ten, and Penn State itself may have to take action re-opening all aspects of the sordid past, due to Baylor University Scandal that has captured the rage on putting Football Wins ahead of Women, Children, and Victims!
The media will be relentless as they should... God forbid if my Son suffered the same as that school allowed..
Those poor victims and families.
Today's Society chooses to protect Women, Children, and Victims and no longer give passes to Athletes, Owners, Coaches, Alumni, University Presidents, and other high profile position and earners.
Either live up to that Honor and Privilege of being a Athlete, Leader, or Coach or you will be terminated and no wins, records, or excuses can save anyone today.
No more Special Treatment if Women and Children become Victims! This goes for current, future, and past Coaches too!
Too many other True Examples of Common Talented Men and Women that do it the right way with humility, thankfulness, and deeds in the communities like James Conner, Lebron James, Walter Payton, Mike Trout, Mario Lemieux, JJ Watt, Tim Duncan, Larry Fitzgerald.
As opposed to this Link & Excerpt:
The 11 Worst Scandals In The History Of College Football:
Excerpt:
1. Penn State – Jerry Sandusky
Look, I have a rule – any time your program is found negligent and culpable in the systematic raping of little boys over a span of literally decades you’re going to wind up number one on this list. Call me crazy. There’s no point in recounting the actual details because, well, we all remember them. That’s because this transcended football completely, shocked a nation, and shone an ugly, ugly light on what happens when the culture of football and the veneration of old legends like Joe Paterno becomes so huge that it skews reality and becomes more important to people than the lives of innocent children. Scandal isn’t even an appropriate word here. This was a tragedy.
Link:
http://brobible.com/guyism/article/worst-scandals-history-college-football/
This went from the Sandusky Scandal to the Penn St Scandal when the admin knew what happened and did nothing but keep it quiet.
Cheating on an exam or paying an athlete is not in the same category of allowing someone to rape young males!
The Penn St Scandal is the worst scandal in the history of sports!
Cheating on an exam or paying an athlete is not in the same category of allowing someone to rape young males!
The Penn St Scandal is the worst scandal in the history of sports!
9, and to add insult to injury, many at psu still do not get it.
Aww, they closed the comments for this article. I always love to read what the joetards have to say.
Must have been a Pitt grad that wrote this because we all know that no one outside of Pittsburgh cares about what happened there, the rest of the country is fine with it.
Must have been a Pitt grad that wrote this because we all know that no one outside of Pittsburgh cares about what happened there, the rest of the country is fine with it.
That is something I have pointed out over the last five years numerous, numerous times, using PSU fans words against themselves. You can't have it both ways. Either Joe was this omniscient savant, who was so in tune with all aspects of the program, and players, or he was this bumbling old fool who basically was too feeble and simpleminded to comprehend pedophilia, which also means he really wasn't coaching his team either.
One or the other, and either is condemning in their own ways.
This all rehashment and wishful thinking. To answer the OP's original question, what "nightmare"? The nightmare has ended. There are no more sanctions. That is the nightmare to PSU fans and alum. All of this other stuff is just water under the bridge, history and has been tried and convicted.
To us (Pitt fans) the dream of PSU's football program being sanctioned and diminished, the dream of recruits spurning a toxic, sanctioned program is over. Done. That mostly did not happen, maybe the first year. It is now full speed ahead, business as normal, football is still running the show and calling the shots.
For those supporting Paterno, there is no amount of information or revelation that will cause them to believe anything other than "the Joe they knew" and for most outside of the community, well there really isn't much more that needs to be piled on, we all have a pretty damn good (and I believe) accurate accounts of what went down up there. But Joe is dead. It is hard to punish a dead guy much more than being dead.
So all of this, really what is going to come out of this? There is nothing to politically gain in this. The perp is in jail, the lynchpin is dead, and the 3 other potential plaintiffs are no longer in their capacities and pariahs outside of that insular community.
It's over Johnny. It's OVER!
To us (Pitt fans) the dream of PSU's football program being sanctioned and diminished, the dream of recruits spurning a toxic, sanctioned program is over. Done. That mostly did not happen, maybe the first year. It is now full speed ahead, business as normal, football is still running the show and calling the shots.
For those supporting Paterno, there is no amount of information or revelation that will cause them to believe anything other than "the Joe they knew" and for most outside of the community, well there really isn't much more that needs to be piled on, we all have a pretty damn good (and I believe) accurate accounts of what went down up there. But Joe is dead. It is hard to punish a dead guy much more than being dead.
So all of this, really what is going to come out of this? There is nothing to politically gain in this. The perp is in jail, the lynchpin is dead, and the 3 other potential plaintiffs are no longer in their capacities and pariahs outside of that insular community.
It's over Johnny. It's OVER!
Well, if that is true, why the Media hired Lawyers to argue to Unseal the Settlement Documents would make it beyond Pittsburgh and includes Harrisburg, New York, Washington, and Philadelphia!
Additionally, the Bagwell, PS4RS, Alumni, Former Players, Trustees, and Paterno Lawsuits all in and around State College have done the same on many other aspects of this Penn state Football Scandal!!
Furthermore, if most of the Country is fine with what is going on College Football Scandals the names Baylor, North Carolina and Penn State would not be mentioned all together in National Forums and Major Sports Media Websites!!!
Finally, when the Posters on BWI no longer Post Every Day you may be able to say everyone is fine with the Penn State Football Program Scandal is over????
Well, when Headlines stop you will be right, but until then, it is not over. The Headlines coming back and forth on BWI are more than anything on the Lair?
In addition, you started more "Threads" on Penn State if you go back and look at your own Posting History if you want to be honest about it? I have more Responses to be honest too. So, it will be over when you quit posting 'Threads" too and that is said with respect towards your own insightful as well good comical postings!
However, I do agree, if the Unsealed Allegations Settlements are too vague and too unreliable to be taken seriously, I have no problem with that too, and Paterno's Family will make sure Headlines are out saying it, as they should too!
Moreover, whether that means when Penn State decides to Honor Joe and Return the Statue or choose to ignore it, and all Lawsuits settled, dismissed, or have a verdict, maybe it will be over at Penn State and in that way the Paterno Family that filed Lawsuits own Nightmare will be over?
It is certainly over for Franklin. Jimmy Frank's is now on record how his Offense looks great and that the Sanctions are no longer affecting his Program. Jimmy is predicting a pretty good Offense this year in the latest article, so it is over for him and that is true!
The Reforms were over in 2012 and led to reduction in Sanctions and restoring Vacated Wins. The NCAA Monitor is gone from Campus. The Criminal Pre-Trials Motion will be given in a few days with responses 30 days later.
The Civil Lawsuits are still in Discovery and will continue to make Headlines! The releasing on Unsealed Redacted Settlements will be out in a few weeks and if there are no Headlines you will be right, it is nearly over?
Yet, on the contrary, should more New Victim's Nightmare emerge and Books, Documentaries and Movies follow, the Victim's Nightmares truly never end. As seen how the SPOTLIGHT won the Academy Award and that Scandal is still ongoing and making Headlines?
When the Headlines End it will be over, but Media loves being the ME, ME, ME MEdia!!!
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Let's face it, the only real thing we now have a concern is making their football program and Paterno look bad.
To be fair, the Thread was Entitled When Will the Nightmares End?
Why I Disagree, nobody on Lair can make what Penn State University itself did or did not do to look bad. The 2012 Reforms proved it not any Headlines. I have praised how PSU is now a Model of Compliance and Center of Children and Title IX Protection in America and been criticized posting it, and accept such disagreements too!
Still, it is now up to Unsealed Settlement Docs what will make Paterno look bad or much ado about nothing will be known in a weeks? I am on record how I admire Joe's coaching and other Accomplishments of Autumn as well, and criticized for it with acceptance other may differ as well.
I do concur with you, when PITT-PSU Posters can just discuss the upcoming games on just football topics on football, and not delve into any charges or scandal referral that aspect of the past scandal will be finally over!
As for Penn State or Pitt making each other look bad, well, that is up to Narduzzi & Staff & Players versus Franklin & Staff & Players on next 4 Game Days? This cuts both ways and never is going away!
No matter what, come September 10th, there are going to be many upset Pitt or Penn State Fans upset and others with gleam and joy.
Happens on all Rivals Boards and that is just the inner impact of a Football RIVALry on why it is called Rivals! I still see a close Toss Up?
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Then again, there is the whole justice thing! People that knew should be held accountable!
Owtie, my Apologies I posted above Franklin is on Record everything seems over and is fine at Penn State. However, here is an Interview showing even Franklin now does not think it is all over yet, but can't wait until FINALITY happens.
Apparently, some Other Coaches are telling Recruits the NCAA will be getting involved again if Unsealed Documents show Joe Knew way back to 1970s? It caused Franklin to get on the Phone and call the recruits to assure them there will be no more sanctions. It also confirms what I have been posting........How the 2012 Penn State Reforms have been spectacular in correcting the prior University Football Program's Era and Errors, and has made a Penn State a Model of Compliance's that should be saluted. Still, Franklin's other comments confirm not everything is over just yet and he can't wait for it to have FINALITY! This was my other point, it ain't over until Headlines Stop on the Scandals, Trials, & Lawsuits!
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Q: Where do you see the program in 2018?
A: In a really healthy place. The one thing that I can't predict is when there is going to be finality to everything. A month ago, I'm in Chicago at a wedding of one of my former players and the most recent things (allegations that late Penn State football coach Joe Paterno was told that Sandusky abused children in the 1970s) come up. I spend all Friday and Saturday on the phone talking to all of our players because other schools are contacting them and telling them the NCAA is going to get involved again and impose more sanctions. I think everybody will feel really good when everything has been resolved and we can truly put this thing in our past. When I say our past, I don't mean we just move on. We have to learn and grow from those experiences. We have to have things in place to make sure we don't have any issues moving forward. I think one of the things that's a challenge is as Penn Staters, we're so proud and we know what we're all about and who we are. The people we're competing with - Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame - this is just not something they have to deal with. Although we want to move on, those other schools are not letting us move on. I think in so many areas we can be really, really healthy in 2018. We can be in a really good position to have the type of program everybody wants us to have. The thing that we don't know is when is everything going to be resolved.
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http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/...sm-for-penn-state-football&template=mobileart
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Whatever you say joetard. Unfortunately for idiots like you, I'm not the only one who feels that way. But since you are true bow hunting pennsyltuckian who probably supports raping little boys I guess you don't care about anything that happened.
I knew a handler for PSU's athletic department. Heard a couple of guys talking about the messes he took care of at his funeral. He never personally talked about it because he was smart but I'd reckon every school has someone like this. A person to handle little minor things that come up with teenage kids and young men. It's really a matter of how far the school goes to "handle" bigger incidents. As we found out at PSU, they wisely chose to keep things quiet except for a few higher ranking people. That's smart. What wasn't smart was that they never shipped Jerry down the road. They sure didn't hesitate with Bruce Parkhill and his was just a single incident with a young cheerleader (allegedly). Parkhill was even one of Joe's guys!
Therein lies the mystery. If they knew about this stuff in the 70's, even if they didn't completely believe it, why would they take the chance of bothering with Jerry over the long haul? Wasn't for wins. Those would have come regardless.
That's the truth we're all waiting for and that a smart Nit fan should fear.
Ya know, since this originally came out in what, 2010? 2011? I forget now. That very statement/question you wrote and I put in bold is THE SINGLE BIGGEST QUESTION. Why? Why would they protect Sandusky? My god, if they fired him or let him go and banned him from facilities and being around the team, well that may not morally or totally legally exonerate Paterno and PSU, but at least it would make them seem understanding that you can't have a guy like that associated with your program/school.
But they did nothing. Why? Why didn't they go to the authorities? I think it is obvious.
As far as I'm concerned, it was all about image. Instead of throwing Sandusky under the bus (where he belonged), they played the "business as usual" game. Their thinking was: The cloak of secrecy had been so successful in hiding the football program's "sins" for so many years was still intact, so why not maintain it?
Their mission was to protect The Image. The Brand. Success With Honor. Happy Valley. "We Are...."
It was collegiate football's version of Camelot. But like Camelot, it was all a fantasy.
This is 100% correct and this is what happens when you go around telling everyone how great you are because when something does happen you have to either swallow your pride and do something about it and eat some crow, or you can try to hide it to save the image you forced down everyone's throat. I believe that's why most Pitt fans hate them, not because of their school, but because the constant arrogance that "we are better than everyone", "we do things the right way", "I can't leave college football to the Sherrills and Switzers of the world", "We are!", and "success with honor." You keep spewing that crap, at some point it will come back to haunt you.
Nope. It's nice to think that it was that simple but let's be serious, they could have run him out of dodge for no particularly good reason and made it look all nice and happy. Years later, it comes out and they can say he was fine when he was there.
I'm not saying I know the real reason but if he doesn't have something damming on someone (can't imagine he wouldn't have played this card already), he might have been too valuable to run out of town. Couldn't have been just football value because they had no problem with him not coaching.
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