Will PSU's nightmare ever end?...................

[ncyajleel]

They kept him there because they knew. And if they got rid of him it would have been news. Keeping him there was the same as keeping all of that information from the outside world.

Paterno was a master at keeping things internal. That is how he brainwashed everyone to believe "success with honor." He probably thought he could do the same with this, but it was just too big. And with the growth of the technology age, it became so much harder to keep things from the outside world. It wasn't like Pittsburgh where the media was and every move Pitt made was news, it was their own little world in State College. Every small town has their little secrets unknown to the outside world, that was theirs.

Nope. It's nice to think that it was that simple but let's be serious, they could have run him out of dodge for no particularly good reason and made it look all nice and happy. Years later, it comes out and they can say he was fine when he was there.

I'm not saying I know the real reason but if he doesn't have something damming on someone (can't imagine he wouldn't have played this card already), he might have been too valuable to run out of town. Couldn't have been just football value because they had no problem with him not coaching.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

As far as I'm concerned, it was all about image. Instead of throwing Sandusky under the bus (where he belonged), they played the "business as usual" game. Their thinking was: The cloak of secrecy had been so successful in hiding the football program's "sins" for so many years was still intact, so why not maintain it?

Their mission was to protect The Image. The Brand. Success With Honor. Happy Valley. "We Are...."

It was collegiate football's version of Camelot. But like Camelot, it was all a fantasy.

Was it? Or perhaps there were those incidents back into the 80's and 70's, when Sandusky was a member of the staff, were known amongst Joe and company, and they realize that if the 2002 incident reported by McQueary (or 1998) if they did report those, all of that past would come back in their face, just like it did.

 

[JHud986]

When is the transcripts to be released?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

When is the transcripts to be released?

About two weeks?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

New Paterno NCAA Lawsuit Development:
I stated a while ago, the PSU-PMA Insurance Coverage Dispute Case filed by PSU may be opening up a Can of Worms they did not want to go, but had to due to many Lawsuits filed against the University, NCAA, Freeh, and some Trustees.

In addition, a number of times, the Absolute Truth is a Defense against Defamation Cases and helps also to dismiss Commercial Disparagement Cases. Apparently, the NCAA is not waiting for Unsealed Documents but now wants to Interview at least two Victim's Allegations about how they told Joe Paterno about their Abuse. To me, my opinion it is a Warning Shot Across the Paterno Lawsuit Bow that we can go further if necessary.

Or, it may be what James Franklin said the other day when he said his Program will be far better when Finality of the Penn State Football Program is over, but could not address when it will be over?

Or, as Franklin's said, maybe the Michigan, OSU, ND, and MSU Coaches are making up that New Sanctions are coming telling recruits that and causing some problems? If the NCAA re-visits and do there own New NCAA Investigation caused by the New Allegations about the Paterno 1970-80s Era. I doubt it could lead to more Sanction, due to the 2012 Reforms but one never knows what comes out. The Baylor Case is getting NCAA attention as well.

In light of the Baylor Case, the NCAA could remove Wins like before based on New Evidence? In my opinion, Franklin would resign if New Sanctions are added and go elsewhere. It could also end any chance to restore the Paterno Statue on Campus and just let the Legacy stayed buried and go quietly into history?

To be fair, Scott Paterno is on Record that the allegations are vague, unclear and unfair. John Ziegler joins in that opinion as in the Full Article? If it turns out that the John Does' have weak Allegations it could help the Paterno Lawsuit Settlement but put Penn state in trouble by paying off on allegations that can't hold up in Court? Ziegler goes further calling the Victims as Fakes, that also can impact negatively on Penn State?

Still, many more Victim's may emerge if the Allegations are very damaging as reported in the Media? Please note, there was only 32 Paid Settlements by Victims have numbers going to 71 and 150? This means many allegations were not believed or some could not file due to Statute of Limitations? Don't know until Documents are Unsealed and may not know even then too?

Or if other Victims come out, a whole new group may demand Statute Of Limitation be removed and file Lawsuits too. The Stakes go high either way, depending on how the Public Review the Redacted Allegations?

As my opinion, it is plausible that only Joe and Tarman were told of allegations and felt they were made up did not go further from there nor to the Paterno Family. But if those allegations carry great weight as their Attorney's said, it could be a sad ending no one expected at PSU or knew Joe.

We will know soon depending how the Unsealed Info is Redacted.

Article & Link:
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — The NCAA wants to question two men who claim they were sexually abused in the 1970s by former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.

The NCAA says it needs that information to defend itself from a defamation lawsuit filed by the family of Joe Paterno, the team's late head coach.

One of the men says he told Paterno in 1976 that he was abused by Sandusky. He's asked a judge to protect his identity and limit questioning by lawyers in the Paterno family's suit against the NCAA.

The Centre Daily Times (http://bit.ly/28ZVMRx ) reports that the NCAA doesn't want to embarrass or publicly identify the man. But the NCAA says if his claims and those of another man who claimed he was abused in the 1970s are true, it would be an absolute defense in the defamation lawsuit.

Information from: Centre Daily Times, http://www.centredaily.com
LINK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...s-question-2-1970s-era-Sandusky-accusers.html

EXCERPT & CDT LINK:
NCAA seeks info on John Does!
..........
The men in question were among the 32 claimaints who settled with Penn State to a total tune of $93 million.

The university tried to recoup money for those settlements from liability insurer Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association, but PMA challenged that in court. The two men’s cases were revealed in an order by Philadelphia Judge Gary Glazer that referenced their cases, years earlier than the 10 Sandusky was convicted of in 2012. One said he told Paterno.

“To be clear, the NCAA has no desire to embarrass or harass the victims of this horrific tragedy — quite the opposite,” Scott wrote. “The NCAA simply seeks admissible testimony from the two victims, in any form, which can be obtained under any number of possible protections — including the robust protective order already in place.”

The NCAA had asked the university to turn over the deposition transcript from John Doe 150, whose claim traces to 1976. Both Doe 150 and John Doe 71, have asked the court for protection.

Scott brought up Glazer’s recent ruling on a request from media organizations to unseal the information as another justification to ask Potter County Senior Judge John Leete to agree. Glazer sided with the media organizations, including the Centre Daily Times, but while the release was ordered, he still gave a 31-day waiting period on the unsealing.

The case has re-ignited interest in the case, even while Sandusky, who still maintains his innocence, is pursuing a new trial...............
LINK:
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/jerry-sandusky/article86531942.html

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Another Big Development Just Passed:
No Retroactive Extension of Statute Of Limitations (SOL) For Child Abuse Victim Claims.

SOL will only be expanded to Future Claims. The PA State Senate saves Catholic Church and Penn State from Future Lawsuits that happen before SOL and Insurance Companies Happy too?

Also, predicted this would happen and it now can give closure on any past victims that come out before SOL just weeks ahead of Unsealed Documents come out, no matter how horrific the Media may report them?

If there is a Public Outcry after the Unsealed Documents come out, maybe it will cause a change. Yet, if Allegations are weak, vague, and some redacted beyond with not much impact, it won't change a thing for past Victims beyond SOL.

Article, Excerpt, & Link:
PA Senate Panel Makes Controversial Changes To Child Sex Abuse Bill:
HARRISBURG, Pa. (CBS) — Advocates for victims of child sex abuse suffered a major setback today when a Senate committee removed provisions from a bill that would have allowed victims to retroactively file lawsuits. The bill already passed by the House eliminates the criminal statute of limitations in child sex abuse cases, and extends the statute of limitations for civil cases going forward. But it was amended by the Senate Judiciary Committee to eliminate provisions that would have allowed for retroactive lawsuits in cases where the current statute of limitations has already expired.

Berks County House Democrat Mark Rozzi supports retroactivity. “Pedophiles and the institutions… they have gotten another free pass.”But suburban Philadelphia Democrat Daylin Leach, a member of the Senate committee, says the retroactive provisions of the bill violated the state constitution. “I really want to keep retroactivity in there. However, I just don’t feel I can.” Leach says he believes lawmakers have to be objective about the issue of constitutionality.
LINK:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...ontroversial-changes-to-child-sex-abuse-bill/

 

[chethejet]

It makes the case stronger if the two alleged victims do not have a financial interest to give testimony. They may still feel that they were victims and rail roaded by the very people they talked to. Tarmen and Paterno may have not taken the claims seriously, but by 1998 and 2001, paterno now had a long track record of complaints of behavior that should have been reported to the appropriate people. Not kicked up stairs knowing that it led to a dead end.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

It makes the case stronger if the two alleged victims do not have a financial interest to give testimony. They may still feel that they were victims and rail roaded by the very people they talked to. Tarmen and Paterno may have not taken the claims seriously, but by 1998 and 2001, paterno now had a long track record of complaints of behavior that should have been reported to the appropriate people. Not kicked up stairs knowing that it led to a dead end.

I can wait for the upcoming Trials and Civil Lawsuits to be fair and it is very hard for me to think Paterno would ignore it intentionally, and I know others disagree with me, so no offense taken.

I think your analysis along with others above are very good food for thought to determine what really happen and why Paterno propensity to protect his program was not always good judgment but worked because he won and did talk academics and charitable teaching.

At the same time, using Society Values and Ignorance in 1970s is again spot on why he would not take Allegations like that from troubled children chosen because they were troubled targets by JS would make Paterno not take it seriously like you said?

It is shocking to think now using 2016 Values and what we know today on child abuse and I feel unfair but other don't think that way and I may be wrong?

However, it is consistent with Catholic Church same problems and what to do as they sent Priest to get Mental Help and kept removing and moving them in hopes they got better but never did get better, and it went and on? When finally investigated the totality of just covering it all up came as shock to everyone as silence led from secret settlements to bravery of public distribution no matter how embarrassing it would be and hurt?

I can see the same Institutional reaction by Joe and Tarman in 1970 first as disbelief and just thinking it was bad kids being bad kids and no one cared. Until 1998 Dismissed Investigation and JS at 55 all of sudden retired but Spanier had him stayed around?

Until 2001, and McQuerary's report just went up teh chian of commend and some thought it was just horsing Around, and sloppy investigations by Fina's OAG, and then Grand Jury testimony 14 yaers or longer old, with certain questions not asked properly or followed up, leaving no one even Freeh not able to be fully report it all since Joe is gone.

It won't me to decide anyway, the Media, NCAA, Penn State, Paterno Family, Trustees, and many others will weigh in after all the Allegations are release and how and what is in them, then how they are reported.

Whether Joe told anyone in the family way back in 1970-80 is another unknown but i would suspect no one knew and why repeat such horrible allegations if one did not take them seriously. Plus, as Sue said on TV Show her grand children still played with JS Children when he came over?

Matt Sandusky may have more to say as well after Settlements are Unsealed? I just don't wish this nightmare on anyone at anytime, let alone happening over 50 years ago???

True Child Abuse Experts like Marci Hamilton know far more now and they will speak out too, based on allegations reporting?

However, after seeing the Senate Vote down the SOL Backward Extension and Criminal trails ready to go soon, as Media wait for the Unsealing Docs, I can finally see some light at the end of a long confusing, foggy, and dusty the Tunnel.

LINK
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/10718878-74/bill-provision-senate

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Captain, apologize in advance, but without reading through all your stuff, I have heard the latest and greatest basically boils down to the following:

That because of the Paterno's Defamation Lawsuit against the NCAA, the NCAA wants to, and has it in their best interests to pursue all possible Sandusky atrocities past the original Grand Jury investigation into the 80's and 70's, because then as an employee of PSU and direct subordinate of Paterno, there could be further evidence of the cover up.

Whoopsie on the part of the Paternos. Maybe the Joe they knew was not really the Joe they knew.

If Paterno was found to have covered it up, and how the Paterno's and PSU went back after the NCAA, might the NCAA reciprocate?

 

[Pitt79]

It is comical, but the sad part is, it has no effect on their football program. They are still recruiting 4 star plays with ease.

They don't care and don't notice, people on this board care, not much of anybody else. Pretty soon they'll put JoePa's statue back up and nobody will care at all anymore. What some of you don't get is that this is way off of most people's radar. A guy I work with, a MD alum, is like "It's over they've been punished enough". That's basically what most people think,

 

[pittdan77]

I firmly believe Joe did nothing "intentional" to ignore the problem. I think he fully expected the people he kept around to fix things to take care of it once he passed that information along. It's quite possible he had no idea of the larger problem that is likely to emerge concerning The Second Mile. Or, if he did, he did a great job of separating himself from it.

For such a great charity, you'd think Joe would have been out front helping more instead of just doing real estate deals with high ranking members.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Captain, apologize in advance, but without reading through all your stuff, I have heard the latest and greatest basically boils down to the following:

That because of the Paterno's Defamation Lawsuit against the NCAA, the NCAA wants to, and has it in their best interests to pursue all possible Sandusky atrocities past the original Grand Jury investigation into the 80's and 70's, because then as an employee of PSU and direct subordinate of Paterno, there could be further evidence of the cover up.

Whoopsie on the part of the Paternos. Maybe the Joe they knew was not really the Joe they knew.

If Paterno was found to have covered it up, and how the Paterno's and PSU went back after the NCAA, might the NCAA reciprocate?

Good posts and don't forget when the Scandal came out it was Headlines about how Joe Paterno did practiced Silence and Secrecy among isolation in State College?

The entire Penn State Football Program Scandal has been draped in murky conflicts of interests and poor investigations and why there was No Institutional Control?

Yet, the NCAA did pass up many opportunities to investigate Penn State Program many times when Headlines showed up, like Ref Guman, Enis, Phillips, Title IX, PSU Players Not Treated As Students in Judicial Affairs, and other Players but always gave Paterno and PSU a pass?

Remember, the Vast Majority of the Freeh Report dealt with Penn State 119 Reforms
that 116 Freeh recommendations were implemented.

Additionally, the NCAA is also now looking at the Baylor Football Program Allegations & Cover Ups on Title IX and Rapes? So, the NCAA has it own problems to deal with too in a changing world where Winning with Cover Up Scandals is no longer acceptable in today's society, just look what happen to Lance Armstrong?

LINKS:
PSU Players Discipline Problem
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402

Paterno FSU AJ Nicholson Commenst & PSU Phillip Cover-Up:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-s-troubling-attitude-toward-sex-charges.html

Quotes:
After Paterno’s comments became public, the National Organization for Women called for his resignation. “I’m not going to say anything about it,” Paterno told ESPN a few days later. “Most people know me. I am what I am.”

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

They don't care and don't notice, people on this board care, not much of anybody else. Pretty soon they'll put JoePa's statue back up and nobody will care at all anymore. What some of you don't get is that this is way off of most people's radar. A guy I work with, a MD alum, is like "It's over they've been punished enough". That's basically what most people think,

No question that is how it was going until the PSU-PMA Insurance Case came out and Judged reported on the Unsealed Documents. I won't disagree with you either.

We shall see if those Unsealed Docs cause any change in Criminal Trials, Lawsuit Settlements, and like I said, there is now lights seen at the end of a long tunnel with State Senate rejection of removing SOL retroactively .

It was going away until the Unsealed Documnets Controversy and Baylor Football program Scandal broke too and now some 409 Clean Up of NCAA Oversights overlooked many years ago, until they got sued??

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I firmly believe Joe did nothing "intentional" to ignore the problem. I think he fully expected the people he kept around to fix things to take care of it once he passed that information along. It's quite possible he had no idea of the larger problem that is likely to emerge concerning The Second Mile. Or, if he did, he did a great job of separating himself from it.

For such a great charity, you'd think Joe would have been out front helping more instead of just doing real estate deals with high ranking members.

Why The second Mile got a pass when the Investigations began is why there are many Lawsuits today and that was a Corbett''s OAG Frank Fina mistake and sloppy investigation not including the Child Predator's Unit because it involved many prominent people including State Senators, Entertainers, Former Players, that never got investigated for anything on Bonus Gate, Email Destruction Gate, Grand Jury Leaks, and on and on?

The Paterno-Trustees Undisclosed Business Conflicts of Interests also is why one of the NCAA Monitor Penn state 2012 Reforms required a Special Policy on Conflicts of Interests among Trustee and all Employees at PSU now? The NCAA also request all Nike-Paterno Contracts and Papers as well prior to this New Request on Allegations.

As Stated, Defamation Lawsuits cut both ways, they often uncover Absolute Truths Defenses the Defendants use back on the Plaintiffs. It is a Lawyer's Dream Money Food & Grime Line, why many get settled over time, as all dirty laundry get washed out together. Even Saints sometimes soil their pants?

Policy AD83 INSTITUTIONAL FINANCIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Link:
https://guru.psu.edu/policies/AD83.html

 

[pittdan77]

Why The second Mile got a pass when the Investigations began is why there are many Lawsuits today and that was a Corbett''s OAG Frank Fina mistake and sloppy investigation not including the Child Predator's Unit because it involved many prominent people including State Senators, Entertainers, Former Players, that never got investigated for anything on Bonus Gate, Email Destruction Gate, Grand Jury Leaks, and on and on?

The Paterno-Trustees Undisclosed Business Conflicts of Interests also is why one of the NCAA Monitor Penn state 2012 Reforms required a Special Policy on Conflicts of Interests among Trustee and all Employees at PSU now? The NCAA also request all Nike-Paterno Contracts and Papers as well prior to this New Request on Allegations.

As Stated, Defamation Lawsuits cut both ways, they often uncover Absolute Truths Defenses the Defendants use back on the Plaintiffs. It is a Lawyer's Dream Money Food & Grime Line, why many get settled over time, as all dirty laundry get washed out together. Even Saints sometimes soil their pants?

Policy AD83 INSTITUTIONAL FINANCIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Link:
https://guru.psu.edu/policies/AD83.html

Why do you assume Fina screwed up or was sloppy?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Why do you assume Fina screwed up or was sloppy?

I don't assume, Frank Fina did terrible slow, flawed, and sloppy invetsigation!

Grand Jury Leaks Presentments happen under him. The Sandusky Presentment was delayed until after 409 Victory,illegally leaked with no Internal Office Investigations, and had wrong years, exempted Spanier and Paterno, and it was the Freeh Investigation that found the Emails and even the allegations in Settlements we now were missed by Fina's Investigators but PMA Insurer's Underwriters put in an Pedophile No Coverage Exempt Clause in 1992???

The most important error was not using the Trained Professionals at the Pennsylvania Attorney General Child Predators Office whose job is to find, search out, and immediately stop Child Predators and prosecute Pedophiles ASAP, not assign it to one lone State Policeman?

The Second Mile was created by Jerry Sandusky to prey on Disadvantaged Children, yet the Lone State Policeman took years to begin the investigation?

All one needs do is ask yourself, if you got an Allegation and had Mother's are asking for an Investigation on Child Molestation, where would you begin, assign one Lone State Policeman in 2008 or hand it over to the Child's Predator Unit and wouldn't you begin at Sandusky's created The Second Mile?

Finally, Frank Fina on Video Record saying he found no evidence Joe ever knew at anytime as well but the Unsealed Allegations PMA cited is another under the iceberg Fina's Sloppy Invetsigation missed? We will know soon on that too?

 

[pittdan77]

I don't assume, Frank Fina did terrible slow, flawed, and sloppy invetsigation!

Grand Jury Leaks Presentments happen under him. The Sandusky Presentment was delayed until after 409 Victory,illegally leaked with no Internal Office Investigations, and had wrong years, exempted Spanier and Paterno, and it was the Freeh Investigation that found the Emails and even the allegations in Settlements we now were missed by Fina's Investigators but PMA Insurer's Underwriters put in an Pedophile No Coverage Exempt Clause in 1992???

The most important error was not using the Trained Professionals at the Pennsylvania Attorney General Child Predators Office whose job is to find, search out, and immediately stop Child Predators and prosecute Pedophiles ASAP, not assign it to one lone State Policeman?

The Second Mile was created by Jerry Sandusky to prey on Disadvantaged Children, yet the Lone State Policeman took years to begin the investigation?

All one needs do is ask yourself, if you got an Allegation and had Mother's are asking for an Investigation on Child Molestation, where would you begin, assign one Lone State Policeman in 2008 or hand it over to the Child's Predator Unit and wouldn't you begin at Sandusky's created The Second Mile?

Finally, Frank Fina on Video Record saying he found no evidence Joe ever knew at anytime as well but the Unsealed Allegations PMA cited is another under the iceberg Fina's Sloppy Invetsigation missed? We will know soon on that too?

I was more or less suggesting Fina "screwed up" on purpose.

"Ooops, I let the real monsters walk!" $$$$$$$

 

[JHud986]

Fina was in the hip pocket of influencial politicans and businessmen out of centre county.
They couldn't afford to have the ship take a hit. Sloppy investigation was the easy way around it.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Judges denies PSU Request against PMA Ruling. Latest Update Before the Unsealed Released of Documents & Excerpts & Link:

1. Interlocutory Appeals that are allow in Pennsylvania on Child Molestation Cases are explained in details, and this is the reason why these cases can take a long time to resolve legally. I know of one case that lasted 13 years on false accusation but the damaged done to the Defendant was still considerable even after vindication found in a Court of Law?
1. Excerpt On Interlocutory Appeals:
"Penn State requested the interlocutory appeal on the AME issues. An interlocutory appeal is an appeal before all issues are settled. While Glazer did issue some orders and an opinion on the case, it is still very much alive in the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas. State law says the interlocutory appeal comes in when there is “substantial ground for difference of opinion and that an immediate appeal from the order may materially advance the ultimate termination of the matter.” Glazer said that is not what is happening in this case, explaining that if events unfolded differently, PMA would still not necessarily be on the hook for the millions paid out. “If, instead of settling, PSU had been found liable at trial for all of Sandusky’s abusive acts based on PSU’s negligent employment, supervision or retention of him, then under the court’s ruling, the AME would bar coverage for any damages paid by PSU on such claims,” he wrote. But, Penn State didn’t go to trial with the claimants. And that didn’t help, according to Glazer."

2. What The case Is all About Excerpt:
Since then, the ruling has since prompted additional court filings. A group of media outlets, including the Centre Daily Times, have petitioned to have documents unsealed. It has also been pulled into the ongoing lawsuit between the estate of Paterno, who died in January 2012, and the NCAA. The two 1970s John Does have filed documents in court seeking protection. But through all of that, Glazer is focused on just one aspect of the Sandusky case and its wide legal net.
“This is an insurance coverage case and only an insurance coverage case,” he wrote. “The legal issues raised in this case ... are far less than meet the eye. This court was not asked to, and did not, decide whether PSU should be held tortiously liable for Sandusky’s crimes or not.”
LINK:
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/jerry-sandusky/article87072797.html

Therefore, what is not said, is Judge Glazer will let the Unseal Documents asked for by the Media having nothing to do with the case he is deciding only on insurance Merits.

Yet, like in SPOTLIGHT MOVIE the Boston Globe was able to get to just 14 Sealed Settlement Allegations by way of a Motion that detailed the 14 Horrific Allegations, and Globe was allow to published them since they were now on the Public Record within that Motion. The Globe then investigated even more and did a series in the Newspapers.

This is what actually caused 600 More Victims Previous Unknown Complaints to come forward and ID a total of 249 Priests not just 14 that led to another 87 Priests before the Article was published by SPOTLIGHT. Eventually, a 1,000 cases were settled by the Boston Diocese.

Whether this happens in the PSU-Victim Settlement Allegations depends how they are Redacted and then Published by Media? This will determine if more turmoils comes upon PSU or the start of going away?

Judge Glazer is just saying, those incidental aspects that come about from other current Lawsuits is not part of this case issues he is just deciding in the PSU-PMA case, it just about Insurance coverage.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Tragic Fallout From State Senate Vote On Not Expanding Retroactive Statute Of Limitations!
Article & Excerpt:
Altoona man abused by priest kills himself just days after defeat of reform measure in bill
On Friday, Gergely, 46, took his own life. He hung himself. His father found him.

His friends, other survivors of sexual abuse and victims advocates point to the fact that his death comes just days after the state Senate voted in favor of a bill that reforms the state's child sex crimes law.

Last week, the Senate stripped House Bill 1947 — by a 49-0 vote — of a measure that would have allowed victims of past abuse whose legal rights had expired to seek justice in the courts.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/07/altoona_victim_statute_limitat.html#incart_2box

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Well, looks like a Settlement is coming nearer as this Article is showing up, if the NCAA gives an apology some Lawsuits will drop and if Penn State brings back the Statue and With Apologies everyone can move until the criminal Trial's can be resolved? just speculation.
Article, Excerpt, & Link:
200 former Penn State players want Paterno statue back, apology to family!
More than 200 former Penn State lettermen have signed a letter asking the school to put the statue of Joe Paterno back in place as well as offer a “long overdue” apology to Sue Paterno for the way Paterno’s legacy was tarnished.
LINK:
http://www.wgal.com/news/200-former...terno-statue-back-apology-to-family/40364646?

However, in about 10 more days the Unsealing of Redacted Sandusky Victims Allegations will be made Public and depending on the contents and how the Media reports or pursue more Unsealing or dismisses them and it all goes away or gets worse.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I never expected the state to change the statute of limitations but I do expect the insurance company will continue to fight for payment. As for the statue.....these folks could care less about the victims and actually think of themselves as victims. Pretty sad!

 

[Pitt-Chains]

I never expected the state to change the statute of limitations but I do expect the insurance company will continue to fight for payment. As for the statue.....these folks could care less about the victims and actually think of themselves as victims. Pretty sad!

More than sad, travesty.

 

[President Stache]

who really could care about a freaking statue?!?!?!

Are the cult in state college really that bent out of shape about a freaking statue? It is not him, its a statue... of a freaking dumb football coach.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

who really could care about a freaking statue?!?!?!

Are the cult in state college really that bent out of shape about a freaking statue? It is not him, its a statue... of a freaking dumb football coach.

You nailed it, not only is it going to grow less in significance it may actually be taken down and moved once and for all in the coming years.

After more norms in a future society values of Children & Women Protection before Wins starts to choose to honor those that reported it like Sara Ganim and not those that thought they were defending Silent Dishonor & Success with Cover-Ups and without Institutional Control?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

It is expected the Released of the Penn State Settlement Victims Redacted Unsealed Allegation Documents will be on Monday.

How it will be reported depends on the content and how the media chooses to report what they find in them?

It also could lead to more detailed information demands, later or most of it all go away due to vagueness, or that horrible Don't Mess With Mister In Between, that will be argues either way by critics, proponents or fans and it will go on and on for another while not defined by any ending just yet!

We shall see?

 

[zippychippy22]

It is expected the Released of the Penn State Settlement Victims Redacted Unsealed Allegation Documents will be on Monday.

How it will be reported depends on the content and how the media chooses to report what they find in them?

It also could lead to more detailed information demands, later or most of it all go away due to vagueness, or that horrible Don't Mess With Mister In Between, that will be argues either way by critics, proponents or fans and it will go on and on for another while not defined by any ending just yet!

We shall see?

forgive my ignorance as i'm not litigious nor have i ever been involved in an institutional coverup. why would ped state release any incriminating documents? wouldn't they just destroy or hide that info as well?

 

[DruidTM]

Because a judge ordered it after the media sources requested it...destroying it at this point would have to be illegal

 

[9nationalchampionships]

These records are from the depositions of the victims. The insurance company does not want to pay the money that Ped St payed out because they claim the university knew what was happening and did nothing.

They "say" they want transparency!

forgive my ignorance as i'm not litigious nor have i ever been involved in an institutional coverup. why would ped state release any incriminating documents? wouldn't they just destroy or hide that info as well?

 

[pittdan77]

forgive my ignorance as i'm not litigious nor have i ever been involved in an institutional coverup. why would ped state release any incriminating documents? wouldn't they just destroy or hide that info as well?

Well, there is that little Paterno v PSU & The NCAA thing.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

forgive my ignorance as i'm not litigious nor have i ever been involved in an institutional coverup. why would ped state release any incriminating documents? wouldn't they just destroy or hide that info as well?

There are advantages of Settling Lawsuit Out of Court and paying Money to keep them Confidential for good reason. Settlement is faster, less expensive, and less risky, and ends any damaging if allegations come out in Court that are then Public Information?

However, there are substantial concerns over courts sealing settlement agreements on First Amendment Issues typically the only part of the court record kept secret by the sealing of a settlement agreement is the amount of settlement, but it also depends on the details that can accompany those revealings depending on the judge's redaction of them?

Therefore, Court documents are presumptive public. The prevailing view appears to be that if part of the court record is sealed, it should only be sealed on specific findings of a need to seal, and the public record should include as much information as is reasonable about what is sealed and why. As the Supreme Court stated, “It is clear that the courts of this country recognize a general right to inspect and copy public records and documents, including judicial records and documents.

This Link will explain, expound and inform the Lair on that subject and how Child Abuse Settlements in the Boston Globe Spotlight Motions were Unsealed was done. Yet, don't be so sure the Judge will reveal all Allegations in the PSU-PMA Lawsuit that Media demanded be Unsealed in the content as it was in Spotlight?
LINK:
http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories/021602_judges.htm

On the other hand, and to be fair to Penn State there were serious flaws how Hollywood Academy Award Winning Film SPOTLIGHT portrayed people in the Movie and became Victims of the Court of Public Opinion that can be just as unfair with just partial Unsealing of Settlements that is in this Link.
LINK:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-anne-hendershott/shining-a-spotlight-on-ho_b_8828274.html

You have to read both Links to get the idea what could happen on Monday!

 

[marinomd]

They all whine about the "false media narrative". Fact of the matter is Paterno controlled the media and the "narrative" for many years. Maybe if he had not all of this would have come out a long time ago.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Wow, a Second Judge will Open Up Unseal Documents this time in the Patreno Against NCAA-PSU-Freeh Lawsuits. As you read the entire article it looks like to me the Victim is ready to stnd by his statement about telling Paterno and wants it Public and even challenged. To me, I would be very worried about that if I am if the Victim wants to tell his story and it is a way to get around the Confidentiality Settlement. This could also open up more Victims that want to do the same thing. This could lead to more books and Movies?
EXCERPTS:
Judge opens door to deposition of two '70s Sandusky victims in Paterno defamation case
A Potter County senior judge asked lawyers for Joe Paterno's family and the NCAA to try to develop a plan to vet the stories of two 1970s-era sexual abuse victims of longtime Paterno assistant Jerry Sandusky. Judge John Leete gave that direction Thursday after a hearing motions by the Paternos and Penn State to quash NCAA efforts to introduce the cases into the defense of its 2012 consent decree against Penn State.

The Paternos' suit alleges that the decree - and statements by former FBI director Louis Freeh upon which it was based - did unfair damage to the reputations of the late, legendary Penn State football coach and his son and former assistant, Jay. The victims at the heart of Thursday's arguments came to the world's attention in May. One, known as John Doe 150, had a brief reference to his claim that he'd reported an incident with Sandusky directly to Joe Paterno contained in a May 4 court order in a related insurance coverage case.


The second case, presented in a CNN report published later that week, involves a man who said he was assaulted by Sandusky in 1971, and reported the incident by telephone to a man he believed to be Joe Paterno. Both men received settlement payments from Penn State two years ago, as part of a mediation process that saw some 32 self-proclaimed Sandusky victims receive more than $92 million in collective payouts after Sandusky's 2012 conviction for the serial molestation of boys he met through his Second Mile charity.

Their stories have not thus far been able to be independently corroborated, though a Philadelphia judge did agree last month to unseal some records in the insurance case that may shed more light on the 1976 case.

The NCAA has since sought to depose the men and seek any records Penn State has about their cases in its defense against the Paternos. It has argued that if what the men appear to have claimed is credible, it helps buttress its case that the Sandusky-related punishments of Penn State and Paterno, and related statements by Freeh and NCAA President Mark Emmert about Joe Paterno, were not defamatory.

"We begin by saying we don't know (if the two victims' claims would be credible enough to have relevance in this case)," NCAA attorney Everett "Kip" Johnson said at one point in Thursday's argument. "We just want to find out if behind this smoke, there is some fire."

An attorney for the Paternos said the 1970s claims are irrelevent to the case at hand because the Freeh Report allegations about Penn State's inaction regarding Sandusky were tied specifically to cases from 1998 and 2001.

"That's what their basis was. That's the only thing anybody know about at the time," Joe Loveland argued, adding the family is hesitant to open door to yet another set of accusations by people who are protected by anonymity, and whose 40-year-old stories the Paternos may have limited ability to challenge.Joe Paterno died in January 2012.

Leete, however, said Thursday he believes the NCAA deserves a limited chance to try to establish that Paterno may have known about Sandusky's sexual predilections in the 1970s. He also stated that in permitting that to happen, he would guarantee that the Paterno estate has an equal opportunity to scrutinize the mens' stories.

Leete did not issue a final order on the issue Thursday, but he did ask the two sides to take the next two weeks to try to develop a format in which they could test the 1970s case for credibility and relevance to the Paterno suit...............
............Afterward, the lawyer for man involved in the 1976 claim said his client - who was deposed under oath last year in the insurance case - is fine with additional scrutiny of his claims.

"He's not running from the statements he's made. He stand behind them," Slade McLaughlin said. "He just doesn't want a situation where his entire life is disrupted over something that happened to him 40 years ago.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/07/judge_opens_door_to_deposition.html

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

They all whine about the "false media narrative". Fact of the matter is Paterno controlled the media and the "narrative" for many years. Maybe if he had not all of this would have come out a long time ago.

You are correct, Joe was known for Secrecy around his Program closing Practices, keeping Media away from the Hotels where Players stayed, and preventing Media Types that asked difficult Questions here is an Article on it by a Sport's Reporter:
Article Excerpts & Link:
Best word for Paterno and family? Arrogance
End zone
By Tom Cushman
The long-cultivated image
The responses of these people are indicative of an arrogance at the root of this unparalleled stain on major-college sports. If there's been any public remorse for the Sandusky victims by the Paternos, it's been buried beneath the obvious mission — that of somehow restoring the image of the family patriarch as a grandfatherly man who created an island of recruiting purity and educational emphasis amid a sea of collegiate athletic swill.

"The Grand Experiment" was Paterno's self-created caption for his reign. The suggestion was that his program would prove winning could be done within ethical boundaries and by young men who were winners in the classroom as well as on the field. "Saint Joe," he eventually was called, and if there was a derisive undertone in that label when applied by fellow coaches and other skeptics, the man who was the target seemed not to notice. Paterno's most formidable ally in creating that image, which essentially was a work of fiction, was geography. Located in north central Pennsylvania, the town of State College is conveniently distanced from the area's major media markets. Reporters from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and New York usually have been limited to game-day appearances; thus Penn State's programs have been subjected to less scrutiny than most others have. In a recent Time magazine article, Matt Paknis, a Penn State graduate assistant during the 1980s, offered the following: "There was this projection outside of Penn State that he was the dean, this nice old guy. That's the furthest thing from the truth. He ruled with an iron fist. You had to fit into the approval system that was out there. There wasn't a lot of challenging, saying, 'What's going on here?'"

Personal experiences
Reading that triggered personal recollections. From 1966 until 1982 (after working earlier at the Colorado Springs Gazette-Telegraph), I was a sports reporter, then columnist, for the Philadelphia Daily News. Penn State never was a regular assignment, but there were enough contacts to prompt the "What's going on here?" question. I learned that you either supported the Paterno program and self-created image without question — or you were, in a manner of speaking, sidelined.

I offer two examples.

During the mid-1970s, Tony Dorsett was an All-American running back for the University of Pittsburgh. (He later became an All-Pro for the Dallas Cowboys.) With Pitt hosting Notre Dame during one of those seasons, I made the journey across state and watched Dorsett run wild against the Irish. During a postgame interview, Dorsett was asked if Penn State recruited him. Not up front, he said, but added that after he'd signed with Pitt, there was contact. He was asked to meet with a group from State College at a clandestine site north of Pittsburgh. Paterno, Dorsett said, was with the group, urging him to dump Pitt and assist the Nittany Lions in continuing to be a dominant power. Dorsett chose to honor his agreement. The following day, I attempted to reach Paterno for comment. The call was not returned. But, after an article quoting Dorsett appeared, the phone rang. It was Paterno, and he was livid "Stories like that undermine our goal of building a new image for Eastern football," I was told.
My reply was to say, "That seems an odd way of doing it. Isn't Pitt in the East?" He hung up.

Example No. 2:
I received a call one afternoon from the late Frank Dolson, columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer, a close friend and then-president of the Philadelphia Sportswriters Association. Dolson said he'd just been contacted by a sports information person at State College and told that Joe Paterno, who was to speak at the association's annual banquet, wanted a complimentary table reserved for several area high school players (and families) who were being recruited by Penn State. Dolson pointed out that doing so would violate NCAA rules, saying, "I thought I was doing Paterno a favor, alerting them to what could be a serious problem. That didn't seem to matter." "Expect a call from Paterno," I told him. It came, from an angry man, complete with another, "We're trying to build football in the East" lecture. The East, as defined by Paterno, was Penn State, and the "building" included another promotional brick or two for a self-varnished reputation. Many in my profession were stunned to learn that Joe Paterno had been a partner, apparently decisive, in a tragedy prolonged by the Jerry Sandusky cover-up.
I am not one of them.
LINK:
Longtime sportswriter, editor and author Tom Cushman now divides his time between Colorado Springs and San Diego
http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/best-word-for-paterno-and-family-arrogance/Content?oid=2539957

 

[pittmeister]

They don't care and don't notice, people on this board care, not much of anybody else. Pretty soon they'll put JoePa's statue back up and nobody will care at all anymore. What some of you don't get is that this is way off of most people's radar. A guy I work with, a MD alum, is like "It's over they've been punished enough". That's basically what most people think,

That's funny, I work with a guy that's an Ohio State alum and he thinks they didn't get punished enough. That's basically what most people think....

 

[DruidTM]

Wait...wait...WAIT!!! What is this ???

"An attorney for the Paternos said the 1970s claims are irrelevent to the case at hand because the Freeh Report allegations about Penn State's inaction regarding Sandusky were tied specifically to cases from 1998 and 2001."

So now the argument isn't ..."it didn't happen"...instead.."its irrelevant"..? Wow

 

[JHud986]

It just goes to show the arrogance of penn state!

 

[pittdan77]

Wait...wait...WAIT!!! What is this ???

"An attorney for the Paternos said the 1970s claims are irrelevent to the case at hand because the Freeh Report allegations about Penn State's inaction regarding Sandusky were tied specifically to cases from 1998 and 2001."

So now the argument isn't ..."it didn't happen"...instead.."its irrelevant"..? Wow

It's an okay argument to make in court because they're claiming that Freeh and the NCAA is what caused all of the harm. Since Freeh never addressed things that happened in the 70's, it can be argued it's not in play.

I've argued all along that Freeh was damage control and that the University was betting that taking swift, decisive action on itself (via the NCAA) would cause the least amount of blowback for everyone involved. Doubt they ever counted on Paterno passing and his lard butt son stirring up the pot with the alumni. No way he is alive and letting this go on. There's also the sideshow in the Harrisburg that didn't help.

At some point, someone is going to say f-it and spill everything if cooler heads don't prevail.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

That's funny, I work with a guy that's an Ohio State alum and he thinks they didn't get punished enough. That's basically what most people think....

Enough punishment for these crimes will never happen. A good start would be to permanently disband PSU football and make sure they never play another game.....ever. Then wipe out every single one of the Paterno's victories in his record and make him a winless coach. That piece of garbage Paterno deceived young men and their families for decades, then was involved in child rapes for decades on his campus with his buddy Sandusky. Because of Paterno, young mens' lives were at the very least negatively impacted and, more accurately, ruined because of his arrogance and perversion. Seriously, is there a punishment that is "enough" for those crimes?

 

[JHud986]

Didn't one of the victims take his own life because no one would believe him?