wtf is wrong with Miami?
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That was my point a few weeks ago with regard to their 30/30 series. That is a massive drop off from where they were to where they are now and that should have been examined.
Instead, the fanboy director decided to turn it into a raw-raw, sis-boom-bah recruiting video and in doing so he missed a major opportunity to tell one of the most interesting stories in the history of college football - the meteoric rise and precipitous fall of Miami football.
Instead, the fanboy director decided to turn it into a raw-raw, sis-boom-bah recruiting video and in doing so he missed a major opportunity to tell one of the most interesting stories in the history of college football - the meteoric rise and precipitous fall of Miami football.
Personally, I think it's due to a lot of factors. I don't think there's one easy answer.
That said, among them is the notion that the types of my players Miami has recruited in recent years have been more interested in practicing their touchdown dances than practicing the skills that will lead to touchdowns.
I think that they have kind of bought in to their own hype.
Swag is fine if you can back it up. If you can't back up your swag, you're basically a clown.
The U is going to win this game going away. However, I agree that they have been mediocre for too long given their natural resources and proud history.
That said, among them is the notion that the types of my players Miami has recruited in recent years have been more interested in practicing their touchdown dances than practicing the skills that will lead to touchdowns.
I think that they have kind of bought in to their own hype.
Swag is fine if you can back it up. If you can't back up your swag, you're basically a clown.
The U is going to win this game going away. However, I agree that they have been mediocre for too long given their natural resources and proud history.
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If it doesn't work out with Miami and Al Golden, I believe the perfect coach for Miami would be Rich Rodriguez.
I think his system with those athletes, and in that humidity, would be awesome. I think a power spread offense like he runs could be a perfect fit for that culture. That is a lot different offense than what West Virginia currently runs for example.
Also, Rich Rod, who I think is a major league dick, would quickly change the culture there. He would make them much tougher – like what they used to be. Miami is way too soft right now.
I also think he would give them a long listen because you can win a national championship there and I'm not sure you can do that in Tucson.
I think his system with those athletes, and in that humidity, would be awesome. I think a power spread offense like he runs could be a perfect fit for that culture. That is a lot different offense than what West Virginia currently runs for example.
Also, Rich Rod, who I think is a major league dick, would quickly change the culture there. He would make them much tougher – like what they used to be. Miami is way too soft right now.
I also think he would give them a long listen because you can win a national championship there and I'm not sure you can do that in Tucson.
That makes sense. I told someone last offseason to fire Golden and hire the Clemson OC, Morris, for those same reasons: run the spread with those athletes in that area. RichRod would be a good hire.
Both teams' uniforms look ridiculous.
This uniform craze is gotten out of hand. In many instances, they feel more like costumes than uniforms at this point.
For the most part, teams have taken a step or two backwards with them.
I know, I know, recruits just love terrible looking uniforms so if you don't put laser light beams on your shoulder pads and cartoon drawings on your helmets, you're falling behind the Joneses.
Whatever.
The only negative would be that Miami prides itself on turning out pros. That is how they recruit – their ability to develop NFL players.
The problem with all of the spread offenses - particularly the Hal Mumme pass-first spread offenses - is it does a terrible job of preparing its players for the professional game. Look it up, it is undeniably true.
The OL are always in two-point stances and often develop bad habits because they don't have to drive block and because the tempo of their offense does a lot of the work for them.
Also, the QB's never have to learn how to read full defenses because these speed spreads are so reliant on tempo that they are simpler than many high school offenses.
An overwhelming preponderance of NFL busts come from spread offenses. That is especially true with quarterbacks and offensive linemen. That would be my one concern regarding any sort of spread approach if I was Miami. If I lose the pipeline to the NFL, I really will have lost my very identity.
That is why I say that they need to hire not only a spread guy but a power spread guy like what Urban Meyer runs at Ohio State and Dan Mullen runs at Mississippi State. Rich Rodriguez is probably the best compromise between all of those things that I just described.
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Dan Mullen would be another guy who might be interested in that job and for those very same reasons.
Lane Kiffin would be a perfect fit for the Canes. He would definitely bring the swag back.
they did win easily, right? i remember leading up to the ysu game, a lot of pitt fans just wanted a win, even if it meant by one point. just win is what most posters said.
Was that Cyrillic on the back of their clown costumes? Almost made me long for the much maligned torch-cut font.
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Doc, I still have the dvr of last years Miami game and refer to it, once in a while. Your comment about backing up swag is spot on. In particular I refer to their number 1 (I believe) who was alway mouthing off. Glad he got his comeuppance.
And a crisply starched white shirt that appears increasingly empty with each year of mediocrity in south Florida. JoePa wannabe.
I think Miami, Nebraska and Penn St. are three programs that will never get back to what they were in the '80s and '90s. IMO, Miami has been hurt by the dominance of the SEC over the past decade. A lot of the elite athletes who may have also been of questionable character that ended up at Miami during their glory days now end up in the SEC. If you are a big-time athlete from the southeast, do you want to play in the SEC or at Miami these days?
I disagree with you about the Canes. I think they can be great again. I totally agree with you about Nebraska. I also tend to agree with you about PSU if you are referencing what they were in the 80s to mid 90s. After around 96, they have never really been anything close to an elite program.
Yea, I meant the glory years of PSU when they were winning national championships and finishing top 5/10 on a consistent basis.
I think you can still win a national championship at all three of the schools. I also think Miami is the best job of those three.
Other than metro Los Angeles and Dallas/Fort Worth, there is just no area of this country that is nearly as deep as South Florida. The U just needs the right coach.
Other than metro Los Angeles and Dallas/Fort Worth, there is just no area of this country that is nearly as deep as South Florida. The U just needs the right coach.
I think Nebraska is the hardest of those three jobs. There's no natural talent in Nebraska and they can never get away with the stuff they got away with when they were winning big.
Interesting that you think Miami is the best job of the three. I think its the best job of the three as well, (by a wide margin) and yet they seem to have the biggest problem keeping a coach. Schellenberger, Jimmy, Erickson, Butch all skipped town on the U.
I think that job screams for Lane Kiffin. He's a quality coach that would fit in with the culture of the some of the tricks that made the U a great football program. He's a media lightening rod and he has plenty of arrogance and swagger. Great recruiter as well.
Its a good fit for him as well. I've heard that he was a little freaked out by the culture of a college town like Knoxville, where the head coach can't go out in public without people wanting to interact etc., and where people fly multiple car flags out their window in the off season.
Schiano would be another good fit, imo.
I think you are spot on about their identity & I think it would be wise to stick with a coach that will run a pro-style offense.
I think that job screams for Lane Kiffin. He's a quality coach that would fit in with the culture of the some of the tricks that made the U a great football program. He's a media lightening rod and he has plenty of arrogance and swagger. Great recruiter as well.
Its a good fit for him as well. I've heard that he was a little freaked out by the culture of a college town like Knoxville, where the head coach can't go out in public without people wanting to interact etc., and where people fly multiple car flags out their window in the off season.
Schiano would be another good fit, imo.
I think you are spot on about their identity & I think it would be wise to stick with a coach that will run a pro-style offense.
With that kind of talent there is no way they should be this bad. Cincy looked like world beaters last night.
Al Golden will be gone for sure by the end of the season.
You win the Pac12 and there is a very good chance you are in the Playoffs. It would just be an easier path being in the ACC versus the Pac12. Could you imagine if Miami got back to being half the team they used to be and play in a division with Duke, GaTech, Pitt, etc? My gosh what an easy path to the ACC championship game.
ABSOLUTLEY SPOT ON AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN, Mullen's could make USC, Miami, and Texas instant successes for NCS Titles within 1 to 2 years! Golden is a Rebuilding Coach but not a Top Ten Program Coach in my opinion.
Golden has trouble dealing with Top Talent, choosing Staffers, and belongs at Northwestern, Boston College, Virginia or Vanderbilt. How does one know that or wonder why I say it......because Steve Pederson wanted him at Pitt and Steve had trouble choosing any coach to rebuild or maintain a Top 10 Program and fired two coaches that put Nebraska and Pitt in the Top 25 for at least 1 year?
Safe to say, Silence on Golden with Miami's President Shalala Stroke and loss to UCincy will cause Miami High Blood Pressure fans demands Golden Be Gone!
Hurricane Winds Of Change Discussions are happening today at Miami and Mullen's is at the top of all and any lists!
There are more even more Discussions happening at Texas, USC, Oregon, ULou, and later on depending on happens the next 5 games at WVU, PSU, and VT?
Also, Rich Rod, who I think is a major league dick, would quickly change the culture there. He would make them much tougher – like what they used to be.
Ask a Michigan fan if Rich Rod makes a program tougher. Softest they have been in my lifetime, before they were taken to an even lower level by Hoke. First thing to go when RR came to town was stout defense and a tough O-line. Enter Harbaugh, Michigan has the #2 total defense in the country coming into this weekend. This with a more inexperienced group of players. Coaching is everything.
RR is not a name that comes to mind when I think of "toughness" in a program--even among the spread guys.
That's what I was thinking...
What in his history as a head coach, makes ANYONE think he's a remotely good coach?
Awful coach? He had a nice year at UT & did a helluva job at USC. With the sanctions placed on them, a lesser coach would have them buried in mediocrity for years to come.
Kiffin went 7-6 at UT.
He went 28-15 (17-12 in conference) at another power program in USC.
Meaning despite being given the reins to 2 power programs, he won only 62.5% of his games.
He's not a good coach...it's not debatable.
Did you see UT the year before he took over? He started 3 walk-ons on the offensive line. BTW, that season was Tennessee's ONLY winning record in a SIX year span.
He also took over a mess at USC. They were 9-4 (5-4 in conference, good for a 5th place tie) and just months after taking over the program, The Trojans get hit with a loss of 30 scholarships over 3 years. 28-15 and 17-12 is pretty damn good under those circumstances. And he left them a fairly talented roster set up for a return to the top of the Pac 12 pecking order.
He would have tons of success at Miami. I don't doubt it one bit.
He also took over a mess at USC. They were 9-4 (5-4 in conference, good for a 5th place tie) and just months after taking over the program, The Trojans get hit with a loss of 30 scholarships over 3 years. 28-15 and 17-12 is pretty damn good under those circumstances. And he left them a fairly talented roster set up for a return to the top of the Pac 12 pecking order.
He would have tons of success at Miami. I don't doubt it one bit.
People have different opinions.
Tenn in the 3 previous seasons ( including the 5-7 season which got Fulmer the boot) won 24 games ( so 8 wins per season on average). Granted a 1 season sample size..they won 7 in 13 games...which isn't setting the world on fire.
You can have the opinion he's a good coach. It's just not based on his record.
People make too much about the talent. They have talent at the skill positions, but not on the lines. It doesn't matter if you have talented backs and receivers if you don't have anybody to block for them. Same for the defense. They've also had some bad coaches after Butch Davis, which probably goes hand and hand.
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