WVU Unhappy With Direction Of Football Program, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Pghfan, post: 474944, member: 842"]I don't know the reasons or even if the ACC declined an invite, safe to say it's true... WVU had to go the BCS route and unfortunately the SEC didnt' want them. that would have been the golden ticket for them.
My sources told me, that West Virginia is not a great TV Footprint in Ratings and only 174 High Schools to recruit within the State and no Big Urban City Attraction. This why the ACC, SEC & Big Ten stayed away.

Yes they would have gotten killed at first but damn if that isn't a selling point to any recruit, come play for us and play ball in the SEC.. I think from a competitive and geographical sense, the ACC is the right call but you need two to tango..
Yep, and now there is talk if the Big-12 implodes whether OU pulls the trigger first or Texas leaves for the ACc, PAC-12, Big-10 or SEC, WVU may be left to go to the AAC. The Fans are talking that would be better for them now that Houston, Memphis, and Temple are ranked?

But back to my point, they lost 4 games in a row against 4 elite programs, 2 of which are in play for the playoffs this year.. Not many programs walk out of that 4 game schedule with any wins.. Even a very good program goes 1-3..
Agree, in part, but it was Holgrosen that went on record saying he had his Team near Championship Status capable of beating OU, Baylor, TCU, but came close against OKSU. Therefore, Holgrosen put that pressure on himself much as Franklin did to himself until he beats MSU, Michigan and OSU? While Coach Narduzzi just embraces the challenges at Pitt and not worrying about talkin just go out and do it?

I think Holgy's success/failures will be determined against the remaining schedule.
Been saying that all year in my WVU Preseason and Game Day Predictions and I predicted they would lose to Texas Tech, and Texas, and KSU or at least 2 of 3! I have some close friends that are Big Boosters and they tell me many things! I used to go to one WVU game a year as a guest! I love it at WVU!

Iowa state is average, Kansas is well Kansas, not sure about K state and texas could be great or could suck, I honestly know nothing about Tech..
Tech is like a Cobra Snake they can bite you when not looking, and spray your eyes causing confusion and you lose before you gain back your vision, but not the same since Leach was let go and now working his magic coaching at Washington State? KSU Snyder is just growing too old, Texas Strong is a mystery and just lost to ISU 24-0??? Kansas is and always has been a Bottom Feeders except during the Mangino Years!

If they can win 4 out of the last 5, well that's a pretty respectable season.. Even 3 out of 5 gets em bowl eligible.. If they lose 3 or more out of the 5, against very average competition, well these Holgy rumors are justified...
I think they will struggle to win 3 and 6 games?

Basically, to summarize, they beat the teams they should have and lost to the teams that they should have.. Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?
Yep, and they attacked Pitt when he had our Pederson Poison but now they have $8 Million Buyout if they go 5-7, 6-6 and need a new coach? What goes around comes around. Funny how WVU having Michigan's Nehlen for 20 years that did a Great Job, and Penn state had Paterno Scandal for 46 Years, all of a sudden have trouble holding onto Coaches???? And now both have a Divided Fan base?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Given the current situation with the conference alignment - is it possible for WVU to consistently win? WVU is on an island and it ain't a tropical paradise in the eyes of most and has a very small natural recruiting base, especially if Pitt and PSU clean up Western PA. In addition, it is not as easy to recruit the type of players that Nehlen and DickRod made their livings on - i.e. the dumb undisciplined kid, as grades & behavior matter a little more these days than in the past. I think it is over for them unless another alignment shake up occurs. At this point, they still have enough to stay competitive for a few years, but the inflection point has already hit. They just don't know it yet.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

BULLSEYE.

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I disagree, that may be the case with the ACC, but SEC and Big-12 could care less. It is what they bring to ESPN TV Ratings, Subscribers, and Viewing. They just lack that Footprint in a small state with few High Schools and fewer Viewers. The saved the Big East with ULou once with Top 10 Winning, and that attracted the Big-12, but now that is not the case.

The same for Paterno's Penn State choosing the Big Ten, sure they w\ere great fit as far size but way too isolated until they added Maryland and Rutgers. Penn State dropped bigtime in Wins after joining the Big Ten after its first 4 years. They are still a top 15 Program but have not won in the Big Ten as often as OSU, Michigan, Iowa, and Wiscosin even NW has 3 Titles.

Regardless of what WVU and PSU Fans think and say, the ACC is perfect for Pitt and they know it, and they now wish their Schools was in the ACC, over the Big-12 or Big ten. Only the dummies think otherwise, and Paterno helped them money wise but really hurt them Win and Legacy Wise?!

If Nebraska Academically is in the Big Ten so can be WVU but their footprint Hurts them. Same with SEC & Big-12 Schools, it is about Football not Academics. WVU lacks that Footprint and now is has more in common with Temple, Memphis, Houston, SMU, UConn. UCincy has a better chance going to another Conference.

WVU has to get the Big-12 to expand towards Midwest & NorthEast and set up a Division like adding ECU, Memphis, UConn, Temple, UCincy, and Navy. Yet, Texas does not want to expand even to 12 Schools. Now the TV Contract limits the bBg-12 in Expansion as well.

OU wants expansion just like Miami demanded it, and Big East Tranghese the Chimpanzee kept ignoring them? If OU leaves and starts an exodus the Big-12 implodes! TheDude was not wrong just had the wrong Conference!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I can easily see RichRod coming back. He has been belly-aching about PAC 12 scheduling and with the year he is having, ( UW stomped the curb with Arizona last night. ) He doesn't look happy at all.
He failed at Michigan and never accepted and violated NCAA Practice Rules going beyond 17 Hours a week to often 40 Hurs, and that was the edge he had over Teams until caught?

Tressel the exact opposite. Can't see the sweater vest amongst the drunks, hilljacks and overalls down there.
Depends if Tressel wants to coach again and I think he takes Bo Pelini with him and his Nephew? But Jim just might love being the President of YSU too? I can see Jim taking over MSU if Dantonio leaves?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Pghfan, no, it's not Holgersen's fault. Right now, I'm not sure any coach can come into WVU and be successful in the Big 12. I think that there are so many things going against WVU right now (location, recruiting deficiencies, location...), there's no way they can compete with the Baylor's, TCU's, TT's of the Big 12 at this point. Something's got to give in conferences, and I can see the whole thing blowing up and starting over in the next 5-10 years.

Agree but only in part, last year it was Holgrosen that said he had his Team at Championship Level in the PPG and Triblive, this is putting pressure on oneself, just like Franklin does when he runs his mouth off?

I posted and linked it, and I said, tall task, and if wrong he would be gone? I suspect he is packing today? I said, 7 wins may not be enough. But if they can't attract a Top coach they may give him one more year. I think they end up 5-7 or 6-6 at best! We shall see?

 

[pittmeister]

OK but is that Holgy's fault? This post is about Holgorson and this program. They lost 4 games against very good, almost great, programs.. I think it's a bad mistake letting him go IF he can win 3 or 4 games out of the remaining 5.. I think very few programs go into that 4 game stretch and come out with a victory.. I think wvu could and will do much worse than him.. THat's all I am saying. WVU has a very high and unrealistic opinion of themselves if they think they are better than OU, Ok St, TCU or Baylor..

lose to Iowa state or Texas Tech, then complain about Holgy.

It won't matter. When the natives are restless, someone will be sacrificed whether it's Dana's fault or not.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

It won't matter. When the natives are restless, someone will be sacrificed whether it's Dana's fault or not.

 

[ncyajleel]

What does WVU have to offer exactly? And I'm not saying that just to sound mean. Along with what you stated below, who would want to play for them as long as they are in the Big 12? They used to recruit Florida really well. They have no real recruiting base, but if they are going to recruit Texas and Oklahoma, they are only going to get what the Texas and Oklahoma teams do not want.

WVU fans will be dreaming about top coaches running to Morgantown to coach their beloved team. It's a whole new ballgame....The reality is, it's not a good job at all. It is the epitome of a stepping stone job.

1) They have no recruiting base.
2) They are misfits in the Big 12
3) There are no plans to raise their academic profile in order to be attractive to another P5 conference.
4) Their fan base has a bad rep...

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

The best coach WV ever had (Don Nehlen) would have trouble playing in that league. But I do think he'd do better than Holgerson. For WV to win in that league. They need to do something the rest of the league doesn't do .... run the ball. Control the clock.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The best coach WV ever had (Don Nehlen) would have trouble playing in that league. But I do think he'd do better than Holgerson. For WV to win in that league. They need to do something the rest of the league doesn't do .... run the ball. Control the clock.

I often wonder how Dave Johnson's Wish Bone Option would work in the Big-12, Any Thoughts?

Additionally, I don't think Dana is a Bad Coach and maybe should be given another year, just think if he loses, TT, UT and KSU, they may not give him that year.

Furthermore, if Dana had Boykin as his QB, I think WVU would be 6-1 right now or better too! I just think Skyler needs another year with his Wideouts, but just my opinion!

Right now, I could not predict who would win among Pitt, WVU or Penn State against one another? All 3 Programs, Coaches & Teams need better coaching on some Offense & Defense Units, better execution, and are missing some Players due to Injuries?

The changes that have happen to all 3 Universities at the top, Coaching, and Athletic Directors are just taking shape and form and that has been at various times the past 5 Years? Coaches need 5 years to develop their Programs into better Teams.

Pitt, WVU, and Penn State are just good to very good Teams, but these last few games will decide the direction they will be heading in the next 2 to 3 years?

Pitt and Penn State could still end up being in the Top 25 but those still long shots! WVU would need to win their next 5 games & Bowl Game.

Just rebuilding years for all 3 Programs as I see it?

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

I often wonder how Dave Johnson's Wish Bone Option would work in the Big-12, Any Thoughts?

Additionally, I don't think Dana is a Bad Coach and maybe should be given another year, just think if he loses, TT, UT and KSU, they may not give him that year.

Furthermore, if Dana had Boykin as his QB, I think WVU would be 6-1 right now or better too! I just think Skyler needs another year with his Wideouts, but just my opinion!

Right now, I could not predict who would win among Pitt, WVU or Penn State against one another? All 3 Programs, Coaches & Teams need better coaching on some Offense & Defense Units, better execution, and are missing some Players due to Injuries?

The changes that have happen to all 3 Universities at the top, Coaching, and Athletic Directors are just taking shape and form and that has been at various times the past 5 Years? Coaches need 5 years to develop their Programs into better Teams.

Pitt, WVU, and Penn State are just good to very good Teams, but these last few games will decide the direction they will be heading in the next 2 to 3 years?

Pitt and Penn State could still end up being in the Top 25 but those still long shots! WVU would need to win their next 5 games & Bowl Game.

Just rebuilding years for all 3 Programs as I see it?

This won't sound good on a Pitt board. But I think PSU would win between PSU, WV and Pitt. PSU seems to be improving every week. Their running game looks pretty good, QB keeps improving as well. The big thing with them is their improvement each week. I don't see that happening with the other two programs.

Of course this is just my opinion. I could be very wrong.

 

[marinomd]

Holgerson is 21-24 the past 3.5 years. He was 10-3 the first year but that was with someone else's recruits. 21-24 reflects nearly a full recruiting cycle with his players. I don't think there are any reasons to expect the results will be different in the future.