11 straight seasons without an above .500 conference record for Jamie
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And to think that TCU begged/forced him to stay a couple of years ago. Would be interesting if Pitt has to play them in postseason
I knew it wasn’t good but I didn’t realize it was that bad. Wow.
Is his agent working on a raise for him?
This up there with 0 B10 QB's drafted in the 1st Round for that 20-25 period.
Joe, also pointed out an amazing stat on this board about a month ago, but can't remember what it was about or even what sport it was about.
11 straight seasons at .500 or below might be a P5 record simply because you usually don't get 11 straight years to do that without being fired.
Reminds me of the wnba. The WNBA was founded in 1996 and has never made a profit in 29 years. can you think of any other for profit business in America that is 29 years old, has never made a profit, and still exists? I honestly can’t. The WNBA may be the only one.
Jamie has had a problem recruiting just like he did here. He really needs an ace or he can't land a team good enough to win in the big 12. What's amazing is that Jamie's streak is likely to continue because he had his troubles even before the portal. The portal only makes it tougher on programs like his.
I’m one of Jamie’s biggest fans. I love that guy. But he yielded 0 teams at Pitt that exceeded their seed line. Moving on from him was completely justified. But we also see the downside of what moving on from him can yield. What we saw a couple of years ago, winning two games in the tourney is something we’d probably have never seen again with Jamie.
Jamie would’ve had 5 tournament appearances at least in the 9 seasons after him.
We have a Dayton appearance and another first four out to show for it
Agreed. I’m not debating that. Although the move to the ACC hit Jamie pretty hard. Tourney appearances every other year aren’t a given.
There's no way that was going to happen unless recruiting made some dramatic improvement.
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We don't know what we would have gotten if Jamie had stuck around. We do know that the grass isn't greener on the other side after Jamie. We haven't had a competent coach here since he left, and the results show that. 9 years, 1 NCAAT appearance in Dayton to just qualify to be in the tournament. That's all we have right now. This year, no post season again.
I think he'd have made it all 9 seasons. A Kithcart would have likely been a Freshman All-American in 2016-17.
With studs like Damon Wilson and Kithcart in the backcourt, Cameron Johnson definitely sticks around from 2017-19 in pursuit of his NBA dreams and Ryan Luther remains healthy. Those teams are Final Four quality and the recruiting thereafter would inevitably pick up due to the tv time and appealing style of play.
Dixon would be dominating this ACC.
Dayton is the NCAA tourney. Just wanted to correct that small element of your post. But I agree with your overriding point.
When Capel was hired, I thought he would be the guy who would be an “every other year”tourney guy and have an occasional team capable of making some noise in the tourney. And while he did make some noise in the tourney, he’s shown to me that he is a regular season underachiever.
A guy who can get Pitt to the ncaa every other year AND have a team capable of winning games when it gets there…just might be a unicorn. In other words, one might not exist.
Really easy to say that now when it can’t be demonstrated one way or the other .
All I know is that Jamie’s recruiting at the end wasn’t just bad, it was real bad. So there is no matter-of-fact certainty in your statement no matter how good of a coach he was.
I don’t know what the MLS profitability is. It’s the 10th best soccer league in the world. But it does have over 2 billion now in revenues inntje 2023 season which puts it just behind Ligue 1 in France. Granted it’s 29 teams vs 20 teams. Plenty of its teams are profitable, however I can’t find anything that has what the league net revenue is.
All that said, I really don’t give a crap about the league. But let’s not compare it to the WNBGriner.
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Yet Angel Reese is complaining WNBA players not paid like NBA players. Funny the WNBA player did everything to trash C Clark even though she is their cash cow
Had the program followed the trajectory it was on, 5 of 9 tournaments was not possible. It would probably be about the same as it has been under Capel. Jamie lost his way here. I will not point out the reasons why, as it has been covered ad nauseum over the years. I will remind everyone of that last class Jamie brought in. It had Justtice Kithcart, Crisshawn Clark, and Corey Manigualt. Capel has brought in many better players but, he couldn't make a pimple on Jamie's ass as far as coaching ability. Even so, you need talent to win and Jamie wasn't bringing in what was needed to win here any longer.
Had Dixon stayed, he would have had similar Dixon 2 results. So about 2-3 NCAA Tournaments every 5ish years.
Who can say that for sure? He got a 10-seed with Young, Artis, Johnson, Robinson, etc.
And the talent he would have been counting on in the future?
2015: Rozelle Nix, Damon Wilson, Jonathan Milligan
2016: Justice Kithcart, Corey Manigault, Crisshawn Clark
That's worse than Stallings' recruiting. And don't tell me he would have made up for it in the transfer portal, because it was one dud after another for him via that avenue.
Dixon was headed down a depressing path here. He didn't stick around long enough for it to play out, but it's there foe anyone to see.
I don't see how anyone could have said the results on the court would have been similar when the results on the recruiting trail were SO much worse.
2017, he gets to the tournament with
PG - Kithcart
SG - Artis
SF - Cam
PF - Jeter
C - Young
Luther
That lineup doesn't sound very good and Kithcart was terrible but he gets that team to the tournament. Then Cam and Luther stay and he adds a couple good but not great players and the cycle of bubbling continues.
I don't know about that. For one, many hypothesized that Artis/Young were auditioning for the NBA in 2017 and didn't have the teams' best interests in mind. Stallings gets a lot of flack, but a lot of people forget how much criticism those two were getting for playing selfishly back then. Also, Young wasn't really a true center. Then you substitute a very solid Robinson for Kithcart, who might be like the 4th pick on a 5 on 5 pickup game at South Park right now... I don't know that you have a tournament team. The biggest asset would have probably been Cam Johnson's development.
I forgot about Damon Wilson. He would have been PG. He wasn't very good but was a solid mid-major level players (as seen by his Georgia St stats). It's certainly possible that that team doesn't make the NCAAT but the same team made it the year before PLUS Robinson but minus Jeter (if that matters).
Jamie would have gotten mileage from Luther and Cam for a few years and added a few guys to remain on the bubble.
Fwiw Jamie did make four NCAA tournaments at TCU which is as many as they had in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s combined.
And their history before Jamie when they did not fund basketball means absolutely 0.
You mean two out of 5 years top 20 kenpom and the way they seed teams now potentially protected seeds? Sign me up!
You really need to stop this Dixon 2 crap. The 13-14 teams were on the level of the earlier ones, but criminally underseeded
Eh, being a program builder is a skill, and his resume helped sell their transition. Even if they fire him in the next few years, he helped them transition from the eternal last place team of the Big 12 to one their small but deep pocketed fan base believes can be legitimate.
He has made 4 NCAA tournaments at TCU in the same time frame as Capel/Stallings. The Big 12 is way better a conference now and despite only having .500 conference records at best in the Big 12 he still has made the NCAA 4x as much as Pitt has since he left.
No doubt Dixon in the ACC was never as dominant as the old BE. But I think its fairly obviously he would have been way better at Pitt than what we have now.
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Your faith in Jamie is admirable. That said, at the end, he couldn't sell a starving man a steak dinner.
If the line is 1.0 NCAA tournament berth, I would definitely take the over.
If the line is 2.0 NCAA tournament games won, that's tough, maybe the under, possibly a push.
OK. I'd say 4-5. He wins with less due to defense/rebounding. Look at WVU's cast of bums. That would be us. Winning 56-52.
I think back to the NIT game against GW. Jamie was pulling his hair out while the guys were giving a half assed effort. I mean maybe he makes 2 NCAA tournaments but he isn't going to win any games. He never could beat a higher seeded team. Capel actually had a team last year that could have made a run in the tournament but was not given the chance. Iam still angry that they were excluded. Having said all that this program was under swift decline when Jamie left. Your are showing blind faith in Jamie to think he was going to right the ship.
Bottom line is that the Pitt MBB and Football programs are no better now than they were when Jamie and Wanny left. If we make a change in either program this year or in 2026, it should be with the goal of improving our standing both in conference and nationally. I know that seems obvious, but I’m not sure that Pitt is serious about trying to move up. Giving life contracts to Capel and Narduzzi is strong evidence that Pitt is/was quite satisfied with the status quo. Capel was and is basically a .500 coach and PN was/is a mediocre defensive coordinator at a mediocre football school. If we are not serious about improving our standing in the two most high profile sports, then rejoin Big East or drop back and compete against schools like ECU, JMU, ODU, Appy State, etc. I sort of feel like are trying to fake our way through the ACC by deliberately firing and then hiring people who are so-so at best at the P4 level.
Pitt isn't serious in moving up. It's happy to collect conference checks and acting like it cares, but it never has cared for athletics. Any time a team starts doing well, there is no interest in investing to be better. It scales back, hoping the winning can continue but it never does. Too many other schools out there who care that will surpass Pitt.
