Agree not now but, after the 17/18 season if it's the same thing, he needs to be moved aling
Any Dixon defenders left?
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The contract prevents us from firing him, so something needs to be done with the assistants and S&C program.
Do you spend a lot of time imagining that kind of imagery? If people want to buy Dixon out and get a better coach I'm all for it. But for a groups can't be bothered to show up at home for a top 10 team, the max effort we'll get out of our fans is a couple whiny internet threads.
Dixon was always an average coach, most of you guys didn't realize that until lately, the recruits did though.
Apples to oranges. First off, pitt has about ten programs in the northeast it will contend with locally for those players. There is a huge concentrations r good basketball schools in that area, and decent a10 level schools as well.
Wisconsin, iowa, iowa stae, Oklahoma have almost no local competition, and can extend out across the entire Midwest. Hell, it is exactly why a program like Wichita can be so good. It is why the Missouri valley for so long had so many high quality teams. The talent base there is being fought over by far fewer schools, and if there is a hidden gem playing somewhere in the middle of nowhere Nebraska he isn't going to be found and recruited by 10 schools that are within 2 hours of him like a kid in philly.
It's the head coach that gets all the publicity but it's crucial to have solid guys assisting you. We have nobody like that anymore. Get rid of Barton, get rid of Knight.
What a profoundly stupid post. There's competition everywhere. Providence, SMU, Xavier, iowa St, all programs which have passed Pitt by and have no more of a recruiting base than Pitt. Even when Dixon has a quality guy in his backyard, he can't reel him in-see Rowan-so what's the difference. He's a horrible recruiter with a $hit staff and no plan. Everyone recruits nationally today. Dixon's been floundering for 5 years and can't find his footing. I think the writing's on the wall..he may turn it around but I will be surprised.
I got two kids under 5 and unfortunately things get in the way of me attending Weekend games. But I don't think attendance was the problem. Here's the deal, I say things you don't like about Dixon so you think it's ok to say things about me. There's a disconnect there. Answer the question have you ever heard of coaches being evaluated on how much effort they give?
If Dixon misses the tournament, he has 2 more years. If he misses the next 2 after this, that would be missing 5 out of 7 with 1 R64 exit and 1 R32 exit. There is no question, he'd be gone.
Nordy, the gift that keeps giving , and no don't care about science fairs, I'm on these boards for the sports.
Naming these others schools is the dumbest thing said on this board, who cares about them, you are content to be just like them, I noticed you didn't mention Duke, North Carolina, Virginia maybe we can be just like them, you must be happy with mediocrity and keeping things the way things are, and they have been that way the last 5 years so quit living in the past so called glory days of the big east, move on
It is a lack of a recruiting base. The State of Wisconsin produced two first round draft picks last year and will have two top 10 picks this year with Ellenson at Marquette and Stone at MD.
Pitt's problem is being in the ACC. At least being in the Big East, we could recruit NYC, Phia and DC. Look at the Howland's team. He could recruit there because there would be trips to NYC to play St. John's, Seton Hall and the tournament. Philly and DC are only a few hours away. So kids could have family and friends show up at several venues.
Now the closest game for NYC kids is BC, about two hours. The next is Syracuse and that's 4 hours away. Syr is not a fun drive in the middle of winter.
With the unbalance schedule there is no guarantee that we will even play in Syr or Boston.
That's why we have to go local and there really isn't the elite talent. The kids we can recruit are in ACC country. You can go to Pitt and maybe the family can see 5 -6 of your games or go to Clemson and they can catch half.
It's the same reason why Penn State sucked at hoops for so many years. They have to recruit, NY, Phia and DC/Balt. But the closest games for them is going to State College. Again, not a fun drive in winter. Now MD and Rutgers are in the conference so they have a few more opportunities to play in front of friends and family.
Don't get me wrong. We HAD to go to the ACC. But I am afraid we may end up more like BC than a Miami or VA. And unless we are willing to pay TOP TOP dollar for a coach that can recruit nationally. We will be towards the bottom half of the conference consistently. And it won't necessarily be Jamie's fault.
Pitt's problem is being in the ACC. At least being in the Big East, we could recruit NYC, Phia and DC. Look at the Howland's team. He could recruit there because there would be trips to NYC to play St. John's, Seton Hall and the tournament. Philly and DC are only a few hours away. So kids could have family and friends show up at several venues.
Now the closest game for NYC kids is BC, about two hours. The next is Syracuse and that's 4 hours away. Syr is not a fun drive in the middle of winter.
With the unbalance schedule there is no guarantee that we will even play in Syr or Boston.
That's why we have to go local and there really isn't the elite talent. The kids we can recruit are in ACC country. You can go to Pitt and maybe the family can see 5 -6 of your games or go to Clemson and they can catch half.
It's the same reason why Penn State sucked at hoops for so many years. They have to recruit, NY, Phia and DC/Balt. But the closest games for them is going to State College. Again, not a fun drive in winter. Now MD and Rutgers are in the conference so they have a few more opportunities to play in front of friends and family.
Don't get me wrong. We HAD to go to the ACC. But I am afraid we may end up more like BC than a Miami or VA. And unless we are willing to pay TOP TOP dollar for a coach that can recruit nationally. We will be towards the bottom half of the conference consistently. And it won't necessarily be Jamie's fault.
So your using the WHOLE state of Wisconsin as your barometer. How many top college basketball players come from the WHOLE state of Pa?
I would bet more than Wisconsin
No doubt..but how much more competition directly is there?
And btw, all of that top talent is mostly out east. How many players from the wpial have even been drafted from the wpial in the last 20 years?
What is your answer? What coach is going to pitt going to be able to go up against the big boys and get the big recruits? Our best hope is to be more like wvu right now..not chasing stars cause those guys don't come here.
It's just a stupid argument when you bitching about recruiting base and going into Philly in the acc while penn state has a top 20 recruiting class and 2 top 75 kids out of Philly on their commitment list. The guy just ISNT getting it done on the court or on the recruiting trail.
Good post Bob. Are you still on the pay board? Havent seen you post there lately
His second assistant is brandin.
I'd start there before moving down to Barton.
No shere. With vuk and Twitter I just didn't find it necessary anymore. I used the money I saved on a new pair of basketball shoes, lol.
Well we're not getting anywhere the way it is now, so, maybe we will get someone like a Tony Bennett or a good young up and coming basketball mind would love to come to Pitt, after all we are in the ACC
Mainly you have Wisconsin in the Big 10 and Marquette in the Big East. There's also Green Bay and Wisconsin but they are not even mid majors. So only two teams having a home "field" advantage in recruiting the in state talent. Same don't stay. Stone is at Maryland and Looney went to UCLA. And UW and Marq split the remaining stud recruits. But if each school can get one top 50 recruit every other year that's not bad. Supplement them with other 50 - 125 recruits and you have a pretty good team. And Chicago is only 2 hours from Madison opening up another significant recruiting area.
Another thing to think about. You can't think PA as Pitt's recruiting base. Philly is closer to NYC schools, MD, and Gtown than they are to Pitt. It's six hours away from Pitt to Philly. To put that in perspective. I've made Chicago in seven hours.
Think recruiting bases of being 2 - 3 hours. That way friends and family can drive up and back in the same night even with a 7 p.m. start.
Low IQ?
LOL, that's pretty rich.
Well ... I think he's a quality basketball coach, and I hope the new players he has recruited will work better than the current group who are clearly lacking in some needs to be high level basketball team.
Hmmm ... let's see.
We want the coach who made a verbal commitment to play at Pitt then went back on his commitment to be the guy who is working on getting players to trust him enough to make commitments to come to Pitt.
Well, Narduzzi told Pitt hell no at one time as well, he wouldn't take a call from Pederson. Once a coach and administrative leave, the whole world can change. Maybe Pitt had clowns causing Archie to say hell no to Pitt before. At times, I wouldn't let my kid play at Pitt. That's just a stupid argument
Not a bad guy and I think he would come here more than his brother. The problem is $$$$. You have to pay Dixon for the next 40,000 years. Pay Miller's buyout which I assume isn't cheap. Dayton is a pretty smart school. And then you have to pay him more than he is making now. You end up paying him and Dixon for the next several years. It ain't cheap. I don't see where the money is going to come from. Especially with the AD's plans and not as many passionate basketball donors. And hopefully Narduzzi will earn another raise and extension in the next two years.
What about WVU, Oklahoma , Baylor,Iowa st,
Iowa, LSU and other programs who don't have players around campus
I actually did this analysis once before. I just compared Western PA with the state of Wisconsin. I didn't include Philly.
And that maybe what has to and will happen. By the way, it was you I was referring to by focusing on Brandin Knight as you have as a coaching weak link. And I can't argue. However, other than being contrarian, tell me why Bill Barton should not be told to move on? Brandin has one thing, he is a treasured alum. And yes, that makes a decision harder, but you still have to do what is best for the program.
Yeah. Different times also. Wanny also turned Pitt down to coaching them and Narduzzi wouldn't even think of interviewing here with Pederson. You can't hold past grudges.
My point here, you long time Hoopers (not Hoopies LOL) need to let the Miller stuff go. You have to do what is best for the program. Have to. And if something would happen with Jamie that would cause the head job to open, Archie Miller should be the FIRST friggin guy on speed dial.
Because he's the second lieutenant.
He's the primary assistant.
They can both replaced... But focusing on an assistant who clearly is in more of an administrative role, is silly.
Wvu isn't getting great recruiting classes. Lsu generally stinks. All those other schools have very little competition in comparison to pitt. Like I said, the Iowa schools can recruit at will the whole Midwest as can OU.
Please don't throw me under your "old guys" stereotypical blanket" when you beef is clearly with Harve.
I have no issues with the Millers and would easily support Sean Miller as a coaching choice.
But I am not nearly as sold on Archie Miller and think my recruiting point still stands.
There are many I think we should call long before Archie. But I believe Archie has started to become that "lazy" favorite for those who don't think Sean would ever come here.
Grow up and move on. There's a new administration in place now. Stop looking for reasons why not.
We have capable people in place now. If you can't see that, then you are a Pederson/Nordy loyalist.
Dixon got complacent as did pederson and nordy. They'd mailed it in for years.
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