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Yes, if only they had called 30 more fouls on GT, Pitt would have won.I thought the officiating was the difference in the game tonight.
Why did the coach JC keep throwing the ball away and the his coaches keep missing a million shots his coaching stinks but I'm glad the players are playing good.
I just saved half the board from posting its all JC and his coaches fault for the poor shooting and T.O's and Low IQ's.
I just saved half the board from posting its all JC and his coaches fault for the poor shooting and T.O's and Low IQ's.
It’s not all his fault it’s a collective effort. If part of
the culpability of the team regressing isn’t on the coaches, why are we paying them so much money?
You can teach players how to run the break. You can teach players what a good shot is. You can teach players to set screens.
Players that don't learn or don't accept coaching sit, regardless of depth.
So they can keep throwing the ball away and not shoot well against the zone. Then bring in better players in next year and the year after and they'll be worth the money. Lol
If these players suck that bad, which they may, maybe he should’ve recruited guards this class?
I agree except for the fact that they only got Walk-Ons you can bring in there's nothing more he can do but wait till the better players come
Horton would be considered a newcomer, and they are actively recruiting guards right now.
But they played essentially with 9 scholarships this year and basically put themselves on probation. They had a transfer, then 2 guys they knew couldn’t play a second of meaningful basketball. AND left a scholarship open. They couldn’t have brought in a Chase Adams type grad transfer? Or a flyer at guard? Playing with 9 scholarships instead of 12-13 is completely on the staff and not on the players.
Not to mention I believe Murphy has provEn to not be an ACC level guard and Drumgoole has given us nothing.
I believe we had an open scholarship this season. I believe we allowed an injured player to tie up a scholarship this season.
He did have the one scholarship but if it was going to be for a division 3 type of player why bring them in might as well play the walk ons and as far as the one being tied up being hurt he thought he was coming back in January
The coach is responsible for:
Constructing the team
Developing the team
Coaching the team
Handling the players.
The team is his team save 3 holdover players, none that he had to keep and none that had a positive impact on the team.
Did he think Kene was coming back in January?
Why would the open scholarship go to a Division 3 type player?
I say that because he said wasn't going to take a guy just to fill a ship and it's not player he wants and as far as the hold overs goes is he not suppose to have a team. Think about it through your frustration. If he couldn't get better players with a couple of scholarships that he had who else was he going to be able to bring in that's going to be even better players that he already have something to think about right so why not keep a couple players that he thought could get better that was already on the team.
These last 7 games have been like watching an old Keystone Kops film.How do you play that way every game ,its the same script,I never have seen a team miss peep layups routinely.
Guys I'm just as frustrated as anybody else on here heck I paid my money to go see these guys game after game so I'm more frustrated than some of you guys who just watched on TV.
Now in saying that we seen what was going on mid-season so we expected for this to really happen at the end now we were hoping that they can come out the funk and get a win or two. We can blame some of this on the coaching because that's who it comes down on but we all know that are main players did not improve enough this year to take us further and our bigs gave us really nothing and our outside shooters Murph who fell off and Drumgoole was lost almost all year just killed us and finally we had absolutely no depth and no experience and all that together puts us where we are now one game better than last year
Now in saying that we seen what was going on mid-season so we expected for this to really happen at the end now we were hoping that they can come out the funk and get a win or two. We can blame some of this on the coaching because that's who it comes down on but we all know that are main players did not improve enough this year to take us further and our bigs gave us really nothing and our outside shooters Murph who fell off and Drumgoole was lost almost all year just killed us and finally we had absolutely no depth and no experience and all that together puts us where we are now one game better than last year
That's just it. I don't think any of our players have a real high basketball IQ. They can't be coached very well. I'm just hoping a few of the incoming players can be good enough and smart enough to put many of these current players on the bench.
Is it a coincidence that in the OOC games Pitt wins , the players look better and the coaching looks good and it’s the complete opposite in the ACC ?
I’ll answer that question , no it’s not , at this time Pitt doesn’t have enough talent to compete in the ACC and there’s no coach whose going to take Pitt current roster and be successful in the ACC . Pitt does have better athletes and better bb players than their OOC opponents , but what ACC school does Pitt have a talent or athletic edge on ? ( answer none currently )
Did adding players like Murphy and Hamilton make Pitts roster that much better this year ? I understand the situation the roster was in and that JC desperately needed them , but it shows that while these guys were able to get PT at Pitt that this level of player won’t help you win in the ACC . So those of you railing on and on about the open scholarship and having George and Chewy on the roster need to get real . Unless you can add a player with ACC level skills there’s no point on wasting a scholarship on players who just can’t compete at this level .
Until JC has a team with at least as much talent as JDs last Pitt team how can anyone expect much more than 6 conference wins . If those two teams played JDs team wins by 15 -20 pts and wins 9/10 games if not all 10 .
The roster will be better next yr and if they regress during the season that would be very troubling, but my gut feeling is that Pitt under JC has bottomed out here .
I’ll answer that question , no it’s not , at this time Pitt doesn’t have enough talent to compete in the ACC and there’s no coach whose going to take Pitt current roster and be successful in the ACC . Pitt does have better athletes and better bb players than their OOC opponents , but what ACC school does Pitt have a talent or athletic edge on ? ( answer none currently )
Did adding players like Murphy and Hamilton make Pitts roster that much better this year ? I understand the situation the roster was in and that JC desperately needed them , but it shows that while these guys were able to get PT at Pitt that this level of player won’t help you win in the ACC . So those of you railing on and on about the open scholarship and having George and Chewy on the roster need to get real . Unless you can add a player with ACC level skills there’s no point on wasting a scholarship on players who just can’t compete at this level .
Until JC has a team with at least as much talent as JDs last Pitt team how can anyone expect much more than 6 conference wins . If those two teams played JDs team wins by 15 -20 pts and wins 9/10 games if not all 10 .
The roster will be better next yr and if they regress during the season that would be very troubling, but my gut feeling is that Pitt under JC has bottomed out here .
No game plan, no focus, no interest from the staff or players.
Are the players uncoachable, not acc material or trying to make their coach look bad.
This coach and players have some issues that need to be sorted out.
I think Pitt fans watched a similar movie about three years ago?
Are the players uncoachable, not acc material or trying to make their coach look bad.
This coach and players have some issues that need to be sorted out.
I think Pitt fans watched a similar movie about three years ago?
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There is no reason spring recruiting went as poorly as last season. It was almost a fluke they even got Murphy.
There is no excuse for that. None.
thing is if you are playing Division 1 basketball you should already know these things. If you don’t then the problem lies in coaches who recruit players like this.
The facts are the facts kids choose other better programs to go to . What makes Pitt such a great place to go to right now ?
Not very much and the fans who want to run off the players who did choose to come here over the other programs they could have gone to are nuts.
X was down to GT, Georgetown, Creighton, Maryland along with Pitt and chose us.
Trey had Crystal Balls to Clemson when he picked Pitt.
Both of them could have had more team success going elsewhere, but wishing them away now could set our program back years again. We don't have anyone else capable of running the point currently and thinking Femi (3 star) recruit will be our Savior is just foolish, maybe he would be good, maybe he would look like a freshman (see Drumgoole, Coulibaly).
Best hope for the program is to start graduating 4 year players...This was always a 4 year rebuild at a minimum. Be careful as fans what you wish for (transfers) because you just might get them. I am hopeful the entire roster returns at this point and we can add either Jeffress or Femi. If we add both I hope it because some one at the end of the roster moves to play at a more suitable level for them.
Not asking for all stars, just some depth. Someone that you can play a few to send a message.
"Ain't" buying the BS that there were no usable players available last spring.
I don't know what went down last spring, but something was definitely wrong with it.
So 2 more Murphy’s , Hamilton’s or Drumgoole would’ve made a difference. They need frontline players who excel not bench players .
Hamilton should have played a lot more.
Murphy and Drumgoole could have had different years if not injured.
Murphy could have had a different year with different coaching and teammates. Murphy quit shooting and lost confidence for a number of reasons.
Murphy is only here by accident. He was not being recruited. You know the story.
Where was spring recruiting? Did everyone just go on vacation?
Here's the problem.
We're two years into a rebuild and we have no idea if the staff can recruit or coach an acc caliber program.
At our present rebuilding speed it will take at least two more years to get that answer.
That puts us in year five?
If Capel doesnt relate well to these guys, we lose players each year,we have less to build on and rebuild speed slows down.
We're two years into a rebuild and we have no idea if the staff can recruit or coach an acc caliber program.
At our present rebuilding speed it will take at least two more years to get that answer.
That puts us in year five?
If Capel doesnt relate well to these guys, we lose players each year,we have less to build on and rebuild speed slows down.
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Pitt had a chance to really step up into the near elite status after being the top seed in the NCAAs and being ranked #1 for awhile . JD wasn’t able to successfully parlay his success and recruit the players he was after and the program was regressing when he left .
Say what you want about KS , but he was able to recruit multiple NBA players to Vandy and coming to Pitt with less stringent academic standards fell flat on his face . Look how bad Vandy is now without him .
Now it’s JCs turn to try to get the players here to Pitt . It’s too early to make a judgement since he started with nothing . I believe he will be successful here , but without cheating Pitt is a tough sell and it will take 4 or 5 yrs to turn the program around . They need upperclassmen who contribute .
The real question is if he can’t do it who can ? No big name coach has ever wanted the job . Hurley just used Pitt for leverage and Heathers search wasn’t looking very promising until she landed JC . If he’s unsuccessful here maybe it’s a problem that’s bigger than just the
coach .
I agree with you and from reading your comments you and I are saying the samething but these want to put it all on the coaches and that leads me to think they never played or been around none coachable players. I've done both! I played and been around those types of guys so speaking on experience not just a armchair coach.
Do I think he could've did some different schemes when it comes to coaching yes because I would have used Justin a little differently since he turned out to be one of my best players so in that instance I put on coaching but when guys are not listening to what you're teaching or not capable of changing or let's just face it didn't put in the work in the offseason without the coaches as far as taking shots because you can do that and get better that's not on coaching.
This happens when you think you're better than what you are and don't think you need to put in the type of work that requires you to be a legitimate top ACC player because you were able to run and Gun as a freshman with no one playing Zone against you.
Do I think he could've did some different schemes when it comes to coaching yes because I would have used Justin a little differently since he turned out to be one of my best players so in that instance I put on coaching but when guys are not listening to what you're teaching or not capable of changing or let's just face it didn't put in the work in the offseason without the coaches as far as taking shots because you can do that and get better that's not on coaching.
This happens when you think you're better than what you are and don't think you need to put in the type of work that requires you to be a legitimate top ACC player because you were able to run and Gun as a freshman with no one playing Zone against you.
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