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Fire Capel

Given that Capel isn't going anywhere for a couple of years, the administration that pays him needs to make some ultimatums with him. The one that would be forefront would be to revamp his entire coaching staff. Take a very close look at every coach and determine their value to the program. This includes his brother. A good start would be to fire most of the present staff and get some decent assistants that will be well paid and will actually coach and teach the players. Capel has proven he can't do that, apparently.

If the Pitt basketball program is to have any possibility of even getting to decent, coaches that can bypass Capel need to be hired. Make him the figurehead head coach in name only and let the assistants run the team. He can schmooze the alumni and donors and maybe do some recruiting. He can close the deal after the assistant has recruited the player. Play to Capel's strength. Delegate the team prep and development to some top assistants.
 
Well then that, along with the banners we have for NIT appearances, should be used as starter kindle at the next bonfire.

I mean, unless just getting to a tournament so small had some prestige to it. But, with it having happened in the middle of global warfare, something tells me there's an asterisk by it.

1941 was the first year the National Association of Basketball Coaches turned operations of the event over to the NCAA. The tournament was restricted to only one team per conference, the conference champion, until 1975.

1941 included conference champions of the:
Big Ten...Wisconsin was the champ.
Southern Conference, which was essentially the ACC and some other southern A10 type schools...UNC was the champ.
Pac...Washington State was the champ
Southwest... Arkansas was the champ...for the yougins', all the members are currently in power conferences (SEC, B12, or ACC)
Missouri Valley: Creighton was the Champ
EIBL, essentially the forerunner of the Ivy. Darmouth was the champ.
Mountain States, which had BYU, Utah, and current Mountain West-like members in it. Wyoming was the champ.

And then one slot at the time to an independent, which went to Pitt.

Not represented in the NCAA was the SEC and Big 6 (forerunner to the old Big 8), and the 5 team New England Conference. No teams from the SEC and Big 6 played in any postseason.

The NIT also only had 8 total teams playing in it. 7 of them were independents. Rhode Island was the only conference member, the co-champ of the New England conference, to have played in it, and they got pounded in the first round.

So the NCAA, even from the early days, was essentially the championship of champions. No consensus first team All-Americans played in the NIT, and all consensus first teamers except one played in the NCAA tournament. The Helms Athletic Foundation also awarded its retroactive national title to the NCAA champ, and its player of the year was from UNC, the team Pitt beat in their first game. Pitt lost to the eventual national champion, Wisconsin, by 6.

As prestigious as a final four is today? No. Should the banner be removed? hell no. Pitt still had to be invited to participate, and there were a hell of a lot fewer slots than today's 68 team tournament field (not to mention 32 more NIT selections). Only 16 total teams, NCAA and NIT combined, made it to any postseason at all, and all schools played in the same Division...there was no DII at the time. Keep in mind, Doc Carlson teams were considered powers in the 20s and 30s, so Pitt had a pretty big reputation at that point.

In fact, there is a banner that is missing from this most decorated Doc Carlson era. Pitt played in the Eastern Intercollegiate Conference in the 1930s and won conference championships in 1933, 1934, 1935, and 1937. There should at least be one banner recognizing those titles, especially if you are going to keep up other conference title years that each get their own individual banners. In fact, I'd say 3 are missing: one banner should be there for EIC championships, one banner for Pitt's Naismith-inducted coach Doc Carslon, and one banner for Pitt's only player in Naismith and national player of the year, Chuck Hyatt.
 
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Okay, and TCU just played for a national championship. Washington just played for a national championship. Arizona State, a bad Clemson team, SMU, Boise State, and Indiana were just in the playoff.

Notre Dame was loaded with explosive talent?!

Riley Leonard sucks.

Love is a decent back - no better than some of the Pitt backs Narduzzi has had.

Their leading receiver had 592 yards on the season. I knew Greathouse had a good game against Ohio State, but he really hasn't been that good.

Their d-line had two key injuries and they were playing with dudes who might not have started at Pitt. Hinish?! Lol, give me a break.

The fact that they advanced to the national championship was much more indicative on the state of college football this season. The fact that freshmen played so much is making the exact opposite point you think it's making. Those Clemson/Ohio State/Alabama juggernauts are a thing of the past. Teams don't have depth after the game of backup transferring musical chairs; that's why freshmen are being relied on.
TCU football has a history of competing for national titles. It's one of the most talent rich states and oil donor rich parts of the country. SMU could be like that too (indeed, they tried ahead of their time to do NIL.) That's not Pitt. We're much closer to what Villanova basketball did under Jay Wright than what the big money football teams do. It's basically dishonest to deny this.

Notre Dame is loaded, they're going to have 20 NFL players on this roster, and they're going to be good for the next several years, deal with it. They've been pretty good since like 1918, here we are again.
 
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TCU football has a history of competing for national titles. It's one of the most talent rich states and oil donor rich parts of the country. SMU could be like that too (indeed, they tried ahead of their time to do NIL.) That's not Pitt. We're much closer to what Villanova basketball did under Jay Wright than what the big money football teams do. It's basically dishonest to deny this.

Notre Dame is loaded, they're going to have 20 NFL players on this roster, and they're going to be good for the next several years, deal with it. They've been pretty good since like 1918, here we are again.
TCU? Are you serious?
 
I would have guessed the seven years at Duke after that would have taught him a thing or two.


I think he probably did learn a lot of things during the seven years at Duke. Unfortunately, things that work at a school like Duke, that can recruit the level of players that Duke does, don't necessarily work at a school that can recruit players like Pitt does.
 
Given that Capel isn't going anywhere for a couple of years, the administration that pays him needs to make some ultimatums with him. The one that would be forefront would be to revamp his entire coaching staff. Take a very close look at every coach and determine their value to the program. This includes his brother. A good start would be to fire most of the present staff and get some decent assistants that will be well paid and will actually coach and teach the players. Capel has proven he can't do that, apparently.

If the Pitt basketball program is to have any possibility of even getting to decent, coaches that can bypass Capel need to be hired. Make him the figurehead head coach in name only and let the assistants run the team. He can schmooze the alumni and donors and maybe do some recruiting. He can close the deal after the assistant has recruited the player. Play to Capel's strength. Delegate the team prep and development to some top assistants.

I agree with this 100%. Need to clean house, none of these guys can coach effectively.

Hire Brandon Knight. He's making $700k, give him $1m and whatever title he wants. He can be HC in waiting and take over when you move on from Capel.
 
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I agree with this 100%. Need to clean house, none of these guys can coach effectively.

Hire Brandon Knight. He's making $700k, give him $1m and whatever title he wants. He can be HC in waiting and take over when you move on from Capel.
For the 1000000th time what qualification does Brandin Knight have for the job? His floor is Kenny Payne and his ceiling is probably Adrian Autry. He has never shown initiative to become a head coach yet some of this fan base just wants to elevate him to a position that he hasn’t put the work in to earn.
 
I agree with this 100%. Need to clean house, none of these guys can coach effectively.

Hire Brandon Knight. He's making $700k, give him $1m and whatever title he wants. He can be HC in waiting and take over when you move on from Capel.

BK landed the #2 and #3 players in June's draft and got Rutgers to pay out the ass for them and they can't win a game. Now, if Pitt were to hire Pikiell with BK as the coach-in-waiting, I can get behind that.
 
For the 1000000th time what qualification does Brandin Knight have for the job? His floor is Kenny Payne and his ceiling is probably Adrian Autry. He has never shown initiative to become a head coach yet some of this fan base just wants to elevate him to a position that he hasn’t put the work in to earn.

It's a couple year trial as they can't get rid of Capel. If he sucks, get rid of them both. You won't have to moan for the 1000001st time.

There's no hope anyway until they can move on from Capel. Low risk proposition.
 
BK landed the #2 and #3 players in June's draft and got Rutgers to pay out the ass for them and they can't win a game. Now, if Pitt were to hire Pikiell with BK as the coach-in-waiting, I can get behind that.

Seems the head guys sucks in your anslysis. Why would you want him, other than your man crush on him?
 
It's a couple year trial as they can't get rid of Capel. If he sucks, get rid of them both. You won't have to moan for the 1000001st time.

There's no hope anyway until they can move on from Capel. Low risk proposition.

BK has no desire to be a HC and that is very troubling. It's not a career goal. If it was, he would have taken the pay cut, bet on himself and took the St. Peter's job or some other similar local school like that.
 
TCU? Are you serious?
Yes TCU is an easier place to win at football than Pitt. They've won 8 conference titles in the time since Pitt joined a conference and won 1 or 2. Under Patterson they won 11 or more games ten times, went 13-0 one year, finished #2 under both him and Dykes. Their NIL money is well ahead of ours. They're not as elite as a Georgia of course but they can get between the portal and HS recruiting around eight 4 star guys per year. Pitt gets a few excellent players but just lacks the depth you buy with bigger NIL.
 
Yes TCU is an easier place to win at football than Pitt. They've won 8 conference titles in the time since Pitt joined a conference and won 1 or 2. Under Patterson they won 11 or more games ten times, went 13-0 one year, finished #2 under both him and Dykes. Their NIL money is well ahead of ours. They're not as elite as a Georgia of course but they can get between the portal and HS recruiting around eight 4 star guys per year. Pitt gets a few excellent players but just lacks the depth you buy with bigger NIL.

TCU sucked for their whole history until they hired Gary Patterson. They are a coach, not a program.
 
TCU sucked for their whole history until they hired Gary Patterson. They are a coach, not a program.
Tell it to Dutch Meyer (who has about as much relevancy to this discussion as Jock Sutherland)

They went to the CFP finals game under Dykes. They're not a blue blood but apparently they can afford and access more 4 star players than we can. That was more my point, people are saying TCU isn't for real which means Pitt reallllly isn't for real.
 
Gary Patterson's players.

Also, that team was terrible. They were 2024 Pitt. Won every game by a FG and didn't even win their conference
They beat 13-0 Michigan and beat six ranked teams that year. Obviously Georgia was on a whole other level, but Pitt hasn't come close to a final four in football. In basketball, we were a one seed not that long ago. As I mentioned, NC State and Miami made final fours recently from our mediocre conference. I can't even believe we're having this discussion, of course a college basketball national title level roster is more affordable than a quality college football roster; you basically said as much about Auburn.
 
They beat 13-0 Michigan and beat six ranked teams that year. Obviously Georgia was on a whole other level, but Pitt hasn't come close to a final four in football. In basketball, we were a one seed not that long ago. As I mentioned, NC State and Miami made final fours recently from our mediocre conference. I can't even believe we're having this discussion, of course a college basketball national title level roster is more affordable than a quality college football roster; you basically said as much about Auburn.

I agree that it's about a million times easier to be good at basketball. I also still don't think TCU was good that year. They did beat Michigan but upsets happen. They were slightly better than we were last year. It was the luckiest season of all time. They won every game by 1.
 
I agree that it's about a million times easier to be good at basketball. I also still don't think TCU was good that year. They did beat Michigan but upsets happen. They were slightly better than we were last year. It was the luckiest season of all time. They won every game by 1.
If hyperbole were an individual sport, you would be the undisputed heavyweight champ like 20 years running. It's uncanny.
 
Given that Capel isn't going anywhere for a couple of years,...

Yeah... I think this is the reality of the situation. However, I don't think Capel is going to drop any of his assistants without a fight. I'll say this a thousand times, but the problem with this team is the roster. Capel threw money at players who did not deserve it, hence I consider him a poor judge of talent and/or character. Only solution to this would be Greene stepping in and hiring a GM. Obviously, someone Capel can get along with - not an adversary.
 
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