Simple solution. Everyone bring a can of dark spray paint to the OSU game. Spray each seat, left and right of you. Problem solved.
Attendance
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For the people saying they should just not sell any tickets instead of tarping, here's what it'd look like:
These are from when the USWNT hosted Costa Rica at Heinz Field in 2015. Sold tickets in the upper decks on the visitor side and the endzone, with no one sitting upper deck on the home side. The crowd was recorded at 44,028. Not sure if I'm a fan of it or not. As long as there's no aerial shots of it, I think it would work out.
I'd rather be spread out and not be forced into more congested space.
I don't, I don't want to make my experience less enjoyable so it "looks better" on TV.
What if it helps Pitt get better players, which helps Pitt be a better team, which makes the program more successful, which makes the games more meaningful?
I'm not sure if games looking better on TV will necessarily do that. And for me, the games I attend in a 6-7 season, are equally meaningful to the ones I attend in a 10-3 season, I enjoy the games just as much every time, it's mostly a fun social thing to do and not made better by the team being better, or worse by the team being worse, same with the Steelers. And for me, a better record won't result in attending more games, just as bad records haven't reduced the number I go to. It's been consistent 1-2 per year since 1991, when I left Pittsburgh.
To be honest, the one below doesn't look any better than the one above to me. You might even think the one above has more people.For the people saying they should just not sell any tickets instead of tarping, here's what it'd look like:
These are from when the USWNT hosted Costa Rica at Heinz Field in 2015. Sold tickets in the upper decks on the visitor side and the endzone, with no one sitting upper deck on the home side. The crowd was recorded at 44,028. Not sure if I'm a fan of it or not. As long as there's no aerial shots of it, I think it would work out.
Right, but if the upper decks were open for the pic below it would look horrible because you would have about the same amount of people spread out.
You guys all realize that the lower bowl is sold out every year right? So all those empty seats visible in the lower bowl during games are people who didn't use a ticket that was purchased.
Closing sections and tarping them doesn't fix that problem. You aren't going to magically fill the lower bowl.
Need to win and play meaningful games, or just be happy spreading out and watch the game.
Closing sections and tarping them doesn't fix that problem. You aren't going to magically fill the lower bowl.
Need to win and play meaningful games, or just be happy spreading out and watch the game.
Right, in looking at those 2 USWNT pictures which drew a "Pitt-size" crowd, what Pitt does is takes 60% of the people out of the TV view upper deck and puts them over on the non-TV view upper deck.....resulting in a very empty TV view upper deck which looks terrible.
Again, there is a reason soccer events do this.
And if we spent a decade in the Top 10, we'd be drawing 50K-55K now instead of 35K-45K. We still would have 15K-20K yellows.
A lot of it would depend on how the Steelers did in the same decade. But
But I think we'd push 70000ish capacity most games with such success today. The Steelers incredible success hurt Pitt more in the 70s than it would today. Winning sports is a bigger part of entertainment culture today than it was in the 70s (and in turn, entertainment itself is more prominent in daily life). It's not a weekend obsession any longer. It's daily. There'd be ample room for both of us to be great. I'd sure like to find out, anyway!
Ummmmm
No........
The U had more success in their run than we could ever imagine.....with an nfl franchise that is run like a lemonade stand as opposed to our black and gold.
Your theory would suggest the U should have also drawn 70K.....
Other than FSU. ......a good VA Tech...or ND.....their attendance was pitiful........
So tell me how pitt could pull this off????
As for today's steelers......they have demonstrated they will be competitive year in and year out. That edge. ...coupled with the steelers brand (built over decades) suggests that I will sleep with Megan Fox before Pitt sees 70K .
Pitt CANNOT fill 70K seats. Also, Pitt is NEVER going to be a consistent Top 10 team. Maybe on occasion but we are never going to be LSU or FSU. So, make the thing 45K seats and if demand skyrockets, sell more seats. We dont need to spread out 40K people in 70K available seats.
This conversation is constantly on this board, but apparently the university doesn't care about this issue.
Yes. Never. If Pitt starts having Alabama success and wins NC's pretty regularly, we are NOT going to fill 70K seats for UVa, Duke, GT, etc. Now, sure, we'd get 55K, maybe 60K and if the stars aligned maybe we sell out the OCCASIONAL game and this is if we are Alabama which isn't going to happen.
70K seats is just too many. In the history of Pitt football, it has sold out a grand total of ONE game from mostly Pitt fans, the 02 Big East Championship vs Miami. Other sellouts were due to visiting fans bringing 10K to 20K.
The only problem with saying PITT cant fill 60k-70k seats is PITT never had a winning team and a "winning" AD. Either we had a great team and bad AD's or good AD's and a bad team.
PITT doesn't commit to its sports.
If it did and we had a winning team ACC contender and a "winning" AD things might have and maybe will be different!
Why not make Heinz a 45K seat stadium on Saturdays and if 25K more people want to buy tickets, you can.......let them????
So what happens when the 45k goes to 40k, 30k, oh no 25k, etc.
We'll be Eastern Michigan before you know it!
We have a new AD lets see her earn her money! Getting people in the stadium, increase donations, and straightening out the Pittsburgh media should be three of her key objectives.
Fix those and get an extension and a big raise!
That's what will happen if we don't fight hard to keep the program larger than a 45k program!
Competing recruiters will make that a large point with recruits.
For PITT to have a viable D1 ACC football program it has to fight to get 60k ( ok fall a bit short 55k) fans in the stadium.
I think you're right. But SP2 did try and not sell any tickets in the bleachers and move people that were there that one year. Then changed his mind. Not sure what the plans for it were.
The past AD and Administration did not care about this subject but maybe our new AD will consider it.
If I remember correctly, our new AD did incorporate tarping at EMU while she was the AD.
Former AD Barnes.
Killer B.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
They sold 54k last year and 47k the year before.
Limiting ticket sales and tarping sections of the stadium isn't going to make people show up. Frankly, it's a terrible idea.
Lyke wanted to get the EMU football crowd down to a comfortable 5k.
I hope Lyke is looking at things differently now.
I'm glad March is almost over. The stadium/attendance/tarps/yellow seat threads are getting worn out again.
On to April and the "I'm worried we don't have more commits" threads!
On to April and the "I'm worried we don't have more commits" threads!
First of all, don't count student season tickets as season tickets. They are not. They are free passes (OK, $25 but basically free) to attend 1 or 2 games. Pitt is NEVER, not in a gazillion years going to consistently get 10K students to games.
Take away those 10K and you are down to 44K. Lets assume 10K people bought tickets ONLY for the PSU game (not just PSU fans but Im sure plenty of Pitt fans and corporations bought season tickets for that 1 game), you are down to 34K.
If Heinz is made into a 45K seat stadium, I'd give the students 3000 premium seats on the lower visiting sideline for $100 for the season. And sell the other 42K tickets on the 2 lower sidelines and 1 upper sideline.
SMF you are so into this I think you sell stadium tarps or have a stadium downsizing business. You and Lyke might just get along!
Your missing the point on tarping.
Tarping (Right Sizes) Heinz Stadium for Pitt home football games.
Having a home crowd of 48,000 in a tarped (55,000 seat Heinz) gives you 87% filled stadium. Better than a 48,000 crowd in a 71,000 seat Heinz gives you an empty looking 67% filled stadium.
That is why the Pirates (Right Sized) Three Rivers Stadium by TARPING and cutting out 50% seating for the baseball games.
Pirates had no problem with tarping.
Not hard to figure out.
Need the new AD to seriously look at doing this.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
That's a very apples to oranges comparison and not quite true. The only tarps the Pirates put up were for the outfield section of the upper deck. Still left the stadium with way more seats than the Pirates were using, even for "big series" or weekends. Or the playoffs.
I am part of the Tarping Caucus and we got Lyke to come in and get it done. She had the experience in tarping we were looking for.
Yeah, tarps made all the difference for the Pirates. Tarping a 68k stadium to 55k and having 30-40k show up doesn't do anything. It's still a half empty stadium. Pitt football has an interest and a demand problem. They are stuck at Heinz for a while and you're never going to make it feel smaller.
It was normal for stadiums in every sport to be half empty before the '80s or '90s, Steelers early super Bowl teams weren't always sold out, MLB teams would have less than a million annual attendance and that was ok, What's 1,000,000/81? 12,345? Things where so much better back then, people weren't obsessive/compulsive expecting perfection.Yeah, tarps made all the difference for the Pirates. Tarping a 68k stadium to 55k and having 30-40k show up doesn't do anything. It's still a half empty stadium. Pitt football has an interest and a demand problem. They are stuck at Heinz for a while and you're never going to make it feel smaller.
Miami is a bit more of a happening city than Pittsburgh. Not as wrapped up in winning sports to shape its identity. The Penguins showed it's not just a Steeler thing here. A very niche sport understood by few and played by less, but when they're going great, people literally line up in the cold outside the building for hours for chances for extra tickets. And shut the city down for parades when they win it all.
Pitt would get at least as much of that winning big in a sport people actually love.
Less corporate too. You sat next to people that enjoyed the game, not people who were too busy socializing and drinking comp'd beer to even notice the game.
My first experience with that was at Camden Yards. Couldn't believe the number of people who were strolling around "visiting" rather than watching the game.
When I was going to every Pitt game at Pitt Stadium, between '87-'92 every game was not sold out, not even close most of the time, even tOSU, ND, Penn State and forget it if it was Pacific, Navy or Northern Iowa! And people weren't obsessing over it. maybe because there where no message boards.
Yeah, tarps made all the difference for the Pirates. Tarping a 68k stadium to 55k and having 30-40k show up doesn't do anything. It's still a half empty stadium. Pitt football has an interest and a demand problem. They are stuck at Heinz for a while and you're never going to make it feel smaller.
you really don't know.
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