Big 10 Big 2 vs. ACC Big 2

[President Stache]

Pretty clear cut which is better. FSU and Clemson over Michigan and OSU

Add Pitt beating the big 10 champ and the ACC is 5-2 in the regular season against the Big 10.

 

[crosbymalkin8771]

It's a shame the Pinstripe Bowl was an aberration. Another thing I find funny is GT (who finished 6-1 I think I saw after losing to Pitt) went 3-0 against the SEC east.

 

[President Stache]

Ahhh... I think we were the better team. All the injuries made that game the final score.

 

[724crew]

ACC 5-Big Ten East 0 for the season

 

[ncyajleel]

Wait a minute. I thought I read that the Big Ten East was the best from top to bottom?

 

[BigNUFan51]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

Michigan as a blue blood has one half of a national title in 50 years. Penn state hasn't won one in 30 years, and they weren't a Fat 10 member when they did. Both of these teams are essentially the Big 10 version of Tennessee. And I love your fear mongering FSU leaving. You must get your info from the WVU board.

 

[Teh Teh]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

Sure is fun when delusional fans post on here.

Well hope your post made you feel better, cause it's still obvious the ACC is better

 

[Jtommyj]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

Or Penn State. Oh wait, we did that lol.

 

[President Stache]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

Dude... we almost beat your team with hardly any of our players!

And we did beat the big 10 top team. And not luckily

 

[CaptainMurphy]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

To claim the SEC and B10 are in the same category is delusional and laughable. Since 2000 the B10 has won 2 NC...both OSU. The ACC has won two. The B12 has won 2. The Pac12 has won 2. The SEC has won 9. It's generally the SEC and everyone else. Right now the ACC is 2 and the B10 is 3. We are the top conference if Clemson can win next week.

As for the bowl game, count your blessings you caught Pitt on a bad day and saw our best three players knocked out down the stretch. Lets not pretend we don't beat you guys 7 times if we play 10. Different outcome if our senior QB isn't taken out on a dirty play.

 

[joeydavid]

Typical B1G fan stuck in their own myopic view or drunk.

Here's an outsiders view of the B1G- it's a bunch of bad football played by a bunch of bad football teams not named tO$U or Michigan. And those teams are typically a couple of notches below the best teams of the other conferences. See the B1G representative losing by a combined 69-0 in the playoffs the last 2 years.

The B1G west is considered the worst division of the P5 but someone needs to win it so UW does. Nebraska will never be relevant on a national level again. It's over for them, just dying a long slow death at this point.

Just a suggestion, you might want to spend some time away from watching that crap football you are stuck watching in the Midwest. And if you want a more accurate understand of Clemson football try Wikipedia; maybe start with Tajh Boyd...

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

 

[sherepower]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

Please tell me your kidding lol

Penn st as a blue blood.........geezus!

You can tell this guy has been brain washed by the media.

Just because a school who pumps out a million diploma's a year. Who gets a ton of fans at their games. Makes them good on the field. Sorry man!

Your wrong

 

[UPitt '89]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

A. CLEMSON is a blue blood.
B. Miami is a blue blood.
C. NU beat Pitt's scout team offense for more than a quarter of the game.
D. Miami, UNC, and VT finished ahead of Pitt, so Pitt was actually the 7th best team in the ACC... behind those three and Clemson, LouisVille, and FSU.
E. The ACC is better than the B1G in every ON FIELD objective measurement, and it isn't close.

 

[ncyajleel]

Penn State is no more of a blue blood than Pitt. Though they are in the top ten in wins they haven't won a title since 1986. They would be considered second tier, but not in the top eight.

I love how you use the lone BIG win over the ACC to make your argument while totally ignoring the last two games played.

You sound like the average delusional Penn State fan.

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

 

[Nittany1997]

Please tell me your kidding lol

Penn st as a blue blood.........geezus!

You can tell this guy has been brain washed by the media.

Just because a school who pumps out a million diploma's a year. Who gets a ton of fans at their games. Makes them good on the field. Sorry man!

Your wrong

I always hear about the diploma thing from Delpanther. If you get a degree from a branch campus isn't a PSU degree still ranked higher than Pitt according to US News and World Report?

 

[UPitt '89]

I always hear about the diploma thing from Delpanther. If you get a degree from a branch campus isn't a PSU degree still ranked higher than Pitt according to US News and World Report?

No, it isn't. Pitt is ahead of PSU in the latest USN&WR ratings.

Secondly... it is only referring to primary campuses, not branch campuses... which are glorified community colleges.

 

[ncyajleel]

If you actually take time to read those reports they do not include branch campuses.

I always hear about the diploma thing from Delpanther. If you get a degree from a branch campus isn't a PSU degree still ranked higher than Pitt according to US News and World Report?

 

[Nittany1997]

Are you sure? I just checked and PSU was #50 and Pitt was #68?
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

 

[BigNUFan51]

To claim the SEC and B10 are in the same category is delusional and laughable. Since 2000 the B10 has won 2 NC...both OSU. The ACC has won two. The B12 has won 2. The Pac12 has won 2. The SEC has won 9. It's generally the SEC and everyone else. Right now the ACC is 2 and the B10 is 3. We are the top conference if Clemson can win next week.

As for the bowl game, count your blessings you caught Pitt on a bad day and saw our best three players knocked out down the stretch. Lets not pretend we don't beat you guys 7 times if we play 10. Different outcome if our senior QB isn't taken out on a dirty play.

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

 

[sherepower]

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

Outside the Big 10. The only schools who ARE NOW considered bigtime football programs is Michigan and Ohio st. All the others you mentioned are a shell of their former selves.

 

[joeydavid]

Officially leading for most idiotic poster of 2017.

Congrats on the fantasy you have constructed in your seemingly feeble mind.

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

 

[Pantherwalk]

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

Hey Ron Cook, please give me your definition of prestige. Again filling stadiums while beating Rutgers, Purdue, or Illinois does not make one prestigious.

 

[sherepower]

Officially leading for most idiotic poster of 2017.

Congrats on the fantasy you have constructed in your seemingly feeble mind.

Once again these big 10 wackos prove they know nothing about the actual game. Somehow they all have been brain washed to think fans in seats translates to being considered prestigious.

News guys. Its about national championships. College hall of famers, Heisman Trophy winners. And quess what? WINS!

 

[ThePanthers]

Acc was better this year by far.

 

[Chaos]

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

They left for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[ltl50]

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

Fans in the stands is all the Big Ten has to brag about. If lots of fans and poor overall football counts for having prestige, the Big Ten wins. One thing the Big Ten is noted for year in and year out is being overrated in the polls. I have always believe fans in the stands do up the Big Tens stock in the minds of the pollsters. And how has that worked out for Maryland leaving the ACC for Big Ten football. They weren't a good football program in the ACC, and they continue to stink in the Big Ten. Great lateral move!

 

[CaptainMurphy]

They left for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yes...Maryland doesnt seem to be a program that cares too much about football. Doubt football success had much to do with their move.

 

[Nittany1997]

Fans in the stands is all the Big Ten has to brag about. If lots of fans and poor overall football counts for having prestige, the Big Ten wins. One thing the Big Ten is noted for year in and year out is being overrated in the polls. I have always believe fans in the stands do up the Big Tens stock in the minds of the pollsters. And how has that worked out for Maryland leaving the ACC for Big Ten football. They weren't a good football program in the ACC, and they continue to stink in the Big Ten. Great lateral move!

Maryland is making a lot more money. That is why they left the ACC. They couldn't care less how the football team is doing.

 

[JokePa]

Yes, the new 2017 us news and world report Pitt is 47 penn state is 53

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings?page=7

 

[USN_Panther]

Who cares about national championships? It's about prestige and Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are big time football programs. Michigan State is pretty strong as well.

Outside of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami every other school in that conference is more known for basketball than football. How is it even an argument at this point that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the ACC after Maryland left the ACC to join the Big Ten? They didn't do it for Basektball that's for sure.

Maryland left for money. Their football is looking up. Looking up to BC in their last game as a matter of fact.

 

[joeydavid]

What was MD's share of the B1G revenue verses what they would have made in ACC as a full share? And when do they breakeven on move?

That last comment is priceless and consistent with over half of the B1G.

Maryland is making a lot more money. That is why they left the ACC. They couldn't care less how the football team is doing.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Yes, the new 2017 us news and world report Pitt is 47 penn state is 53

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings?page=7

The US News global ranking is a different ranking with different metrics than the traditional US News ranking, which is an undergrad only ranking and is generally the one that receives the bulk of popular attention. There are dozens of rankings. Pitt is ranked higher in some. PSU is ranked higher in others.

All of these rankings account for main campuses only, not branch or regional campuses. Those are always considered separately in rankings where they actually appear. PSU's branch campuses generally fare very poorly when measured quantitatively.

 

[CrazyPaco]

What was MD's share of the B1G revenue verses what they would have made in ACC as a full share? And when do they breakeven on move?

That last comment is priceless and consistent with over half of the B1G.

Maryland took a big upfront payment from the Big Ten to avoid cutting sports. Their AD was in a huge hole and it was a quick way out.

In 2014-15, Maryland received $24.5 million partial share plus and additional $11.6 million advance on future payments from the Big Ten. The average ACC disbursement that year was $26.2m. Maryland also lost $31.4 million in ACC exit fees. Therefore, after one year of Big Ten play, if you don't consider their advance which will come out of later payments, they are starting approximately $33.1million in the hole compared to where they'd be if they stated in the ACC. What I don't know is how Maryland's payments are structured until they get a full Big Ten share, because they are different than UNL's or RU's. But even with the advance on future payments, they are approximately $21.5 million behind where they would be if they had stayed put and the ACC. Considering the ACC, SEC, and Big Ten are all going to be very close in money distributed after 2019, the wisdom of their move is up for debate.

 

[Joe Magarac]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

Attendance, over promotion and the past does not make a "blue blood".
Look at data The ACC is the better conference and will be, going forward.
Quit listening to the 3 B1G shills on ESPN's game day.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Our top two (Clemson, FSU) are as good as any top two in the country. Maryland is probably at best 5-7 in the ACC given that two of their wins were against the worst two teams in the B10 (Purdue, Rutgers). The worst two in our conference (Virginia and Syracuse or Duke) were leagues better and quite competitive this year against good opponents. The fact that one of our lower tier teams in Wake Forest beat 23rd ranked Temple with their backup QB speaks volumes.

Jimbo staying at FSU was huge. I could see them winning a NC in the next few years with Francois at QB. V Tech only fell from the elite as they hung on to a legendary HC for too long, as FSU did too. I think FSU, Clemson, and V Tech will be our elites and the depth in our conference will continue to be amazing. Even some of our bottom dwellers have solid coaching in Mendenhall and Cutcliffe.

 

[Piranha]

Attendance, over promotion and the past does not make a "blue blood".
Look at data The ACC is the better conference and will be, going forward.
Quit listening to the 3 B1G shills on ESPN's game day.

Massive alumni bases, and the biased media are why the Big 10 is painted is a big time Conference. It is all about making $, and feeding the zombies what they want.

 

[Pittx9]

Michigan as a blue blood has one half of a national title in 50 years. Penn state hasn't won one in 30 years, and they weren't a Fat 10 member when they did. Both of these teams are essentially the Big 10 version of Tennessee. And I love your fear mongering FSU leaving. You must get your info from the WVU board.

Michigan is the most notorious chokers of all time in any sport ever. They have the most wins in history, and one split championship. They always, and I mean always, find a way to lose a game to blow their championship hopes.

 

[prez41]

The emergence of Clemson as a national power definitely helps the prestige of the ACC, but it remains to be seen if that lasts once Watson leaves for the NFL (see Oregon and Miami). At the end of the day the ACC still only has one blue blood football program in FSU. If FSU leaves the conference is done.

The Big Ten on the other hand has four blue bloods (PSU, OSU, UM, NEB) and a bunch of other top end programs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State)

Did the ACC have a good year in 2016? Sure, but at the end of the day the Big Ten and SEC will always be on the top of the CFB food chain.

The Pinstripe Bowl is a great example. Pitt was arguably the third best team in the ACC this season and couldn't get past a 6-6 Northwestern team (although we were better than our record indicated). Imagine if you played Wisconsin, Iowa, or Minnesota.

I would type out a well thought out response rebutting this complete nonsense, but today is an observed holiday so I am off work and have better things to do. Because of that, I am just going to let you know that your are a complete f***ing moron and move on with my day.

 

[JHud986]

Don't consider ups a blue blood in anything. mich, oshio state andto a lesser extent neb.
The only thing ups is a blue blood in is pedophiles! They lead the nation is pedophile coaches
and professor emeritus status for the coach!