I am just presenting other data and information. I hope you are right. It sounds like it takes him time to adjust. Which I think I have been saying repeatedly in this thread.
Carlton Carrington MLK Classic 42 point scoring record, Full Game Video / Box Score
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I lean more toward bballinsider because I have seen sooooo many high players that dominated and stopped improving and just didn’t transition well to the college game. I also think it’s important to look at high school stats. That 35 percent three point high school shooting percentage off of only 4 attempts a game is also something Vadar doesn’t ever bring those up. But he says he can play the 2 for us. Maybe he has become a knock down shooter after his junior year of high school. Let’s just wait and see.
That’s a whole roster’s worth of NIL, unless you mean 250k over a four year span.
All of these stats are out there. Ive posted them here. Here is the DMV LIVE for example.
You can see here, in 8 games at the DMV LIVE against quality players and teams, Carrington shot 42% from 3 and was 16-38 from 3 at the event in total. Add the numbers up at the bottom which are the most recent games at the event, the numbers at the top are not accurate.
16.75 points per game
6.75 rebounds per game
3.875 assist per game
40% from the field
42% from 3
2 made threes per game
Those are big time number from a big time event. This happened right after I told people to limit expectations on him. He started to really take off.
Carlton Carrington – DMV Live
www.dmvhoopslive.com
Yeah, it definitely seems like his scoring and efficiency have taken a step forward compared to last year.
I’d still like to see both him and Lowe coming off the bench as freshmen - think that’s best for the roster in the W/L column, and that means grabbing a few transfer guards. If they end up earning 20 minutes a game and some starts by the time we get to this time next season? That’s great.
I’d still like to see both him and Lowe coming off the bench as freshmen - think that’s best for the roster in the W/L column, and that means grabbing a few transfer guards. If they end up earning 20 minutes a game and some starts by the time we get to this time next season? That’s great.
Vadar he plays great in short tournaments. What are his high school stats so far? Why did his ranking not move up much after all these performances? Why did he have the offers he had? Based on your description I would bunk he is a top 50 national recruit with offers from all the majors. What am I missing there?All of these stats are out there. Ive posted them here. Here is the DMV LIVE
You can see here, in 8 games at the DMV LIVE against quality players and teams, Carrington shot 42% from 3 and was 16-38 from 3 at the event in total. Add the numbers up at the bottom which are the most recent games at the event, the numbers at the top are not accurate.
16.75 points per game
6.75 rebounds per game
3.875 assist per game
40% from the field
42% from 3
2 made threes per game
Those are big time number from a big time event. This happened right after I told people to limit expectations on him. He started to really take off.
Carlton Carrington – DMV Live
And you did the other day he can play the 2 or 3 for us. But he made two 2 pointers a game in tournaments with very little defense?
That's the whole issue. We have to wait and see. First, is he even going to show up at Pitt? Second, will he be able to transition to the college game well enough to help in any way?
All of these stats are out there. Ive posted them here. Here is the DMV LIVE for example.
I clicked your link. His stats are not that great. He had only one game with more than 5 assists. And only game with more than 20 points.
You can see here, in 8 games at the DMV LIVE against quality players and teams, Carrington shot 42% from 3 and was 16-38 from 3 at the event in total. Add the numbers up at the bottom which are the most recent games at the event, the numbers at the top are not accurate.
16.75 points per game
6.75 rebounds per game
3.875 assist per game
40% from the field
42% from 3
2 made threes per game
Those are big time number from a big time event. This happened right after I told people to limit expectations on him. He started to really take off.
Carlton Carrington – DMV Live
Well , if you can’t do it at the high school level you’re certainly not going to come in and do it in the ACC !
Vaders optimistic bbinsider is a Debbie Downer , I‘ll go with the optimist every time .
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Just so there is no confusion, here is how I rank our recruits and Ive said this a few times now. And Ive watched them a lot.
Carrington- Top 60
Lowe- Top 60-75
Barnes- unranked, Top 150-250
Here are the 2 updated sites rankings thus far
247
Carrington-96
Lowe-76
Barnes- unranked
rivals
Carrington-87
Lowe-109
Barnes- unranked
btw, its about time rivals got on the bandwagon with Tylaur Johnson, a kid Ive been hyping for over a year. Johnson is now #56 nationally. Its about time.
Here are the stat splits for Barnes this year, a player we have not talked about much. Im missing 1 game, a game Brush won by about 30 and was the weakest game on their schedule.
Barnes
team, points, rebounds, assists
Jesuit 8 / 5 / 4
St. Edward 13 /6 /1
Start 10 / 3 / 1
Lakewood 7 / 4 / 2
Richmond Heights 28 / 12 / 1
Nardonia 25 / 5 / 1
South Oak Cliff 16 / 6 / 1
Breckville 9 /6 /3
Maple Heights 8 /6 /3
Taft 21 / 2 / 1
Carrington- Top 60
Lowe- Top 60-75
Barnes- unranked, Top 150-250
Here are the 2 updated sites rankings thus far
247
Carrington-96
Lowe-76
Barnes- unranked
rivals
Carrington-87
Lowe-109
Barnes- unranked
btw, its about time rivals got on the bandwagon with Tylaur Johnson, a kid Ive been hyping for over a year. Johnson is now #56 nationally. Its about time.
Here are the stat splits for Barnes this year, a player we have not talked about much. Im missing 1 game, a game Brush won by about 30 and was the weakest game on their schedule.
Barnes
team, points, rebounds, assists
Jesuit 8 / 5 / 4
St. Edward 13 /6 /1
Start 10 / 3 / 1
Lakewood 7 / 4 / 2
Richmond Heights 28 / 12 / 1
Nardonia 25 / 5 / 1
South Oak Cliff 16 / 6 / 1
Breckville 9 /6 /3
Maple Heights 8 /6 /3
Taft 21 / 2 / 1
Clemson 7-0 in the ACC now. Number of portal players: Zero.
Every time we are on TV, they mention how many older, transfers we have. They never talk about Pitt building a program. By contrast, they talk about that a lot with Clemson.
I would much rather do it the Clemson way. I’m sure Brownell will bring in a transfer if he has a big hole to fill, but right now, they are rolling with an 8 player rotation and not a senior among them.
I saw this the other day.
These are the player rankings of Purdue this year. People should seriously stop thinking recruiting rankings are some type of gospel with 100% accuracy. One of the biggest misses in last years class was Brice Sensabaugh who is killing it at Ohio State just like he killed it at the EYBL. Rankings were way off. Heck, the national player of the year frontrunner is Zach Edey who was barely a top 500 recruit in high school.
Smith - 198
Loyer - 96
Morton - 103
Furst - 65
Edey - 440
Gillis - 220
Newman - 126
Jenkins, Jr. - NR
Kaufman-Renn - 44
Waddell - NR
These are the player rankings of Purdue this year. People should seriously stop thinking recruiting rankings are some type of gospel with 100% accuracy. One of the biggest misses in last years class was Brice Sensabaugh who is killing it at Ohio State just like he killed it at the EYBL. Rankings were way off. Heck, the national player of the year frontrunner is Zach Edey who was barely a top 500 recruit in high school.
Smith - 198
Loyer - 96
Morton - 103
Furst - 65
Edey - 440
Gillis - 220
Newman - 126
Jenkins, Jr. - NR
Kaufman-Renn - 44
Waddell - NR
I'm confused by your statement here. Transfer season hasn't even started for 2023. It's a pretty safe assumption that Capel won't be going into next season without any experienced guards.
Their 4th leading scorer is a BC transfer. But yes, Brownell has done a nice job keeping his players. You dont see that anymore and not sure that's sustainable. Everyone is going to lose players to the portal. That said, Brownell is one of the best coaches in terms of "actual coaching." He never has elite talent but always has good teams.
First off, that’s not true. Brevin Galloway played at Boston College last year and Charleston before that. So he’s a 2 time transfer. In his 6th year and averaging 10 a game.
Second, this group had one player that plays play in an NCAA tournament game before this breakout season with 24/25 year olds. You’re making my argument for me. The days of 24/25 year olds are numbered as Covid years will run out soon. Not repeatable
Not sure why you’re confused? He keeps hyping up this freshmen class and then people will be disappointed when they either
A) don’t contribute next year
B) contribute but we suck
Purdue doesnt have any portal players in the rotation. They have Zero in their top 9. Now I bring this up for a few reasons.
The first reason is, look at their recruit national rankings above. They are bad.
The second reason is, bballinsider pumps Purdue because of Morton and thinks they are outstanding. And they are a really good team this year.
The 3rd reason is, look at their freshmen.
Fletcher Loyer (freshmen) - 13ppg National Ranking-96 4 star guard, 2nd leading scorer on Purdue
Braden Smith (freshmen) 9.4ppg National Ranking-198, 3 star guard, 3rd leading scorer on Purdue
Trey Kaufmann Renn (freshmen) 5.4ppg National Ranking 44, 4 star guard, 7th leading scorer on Purdue
Now Painter is a quality coach. But he is winning with freshmen and he is winning with players that were not ranked high and he is winning with non portal players. Its the complete opposite of what bballinsider says but he loves Purdue.
It’s almost like you are making it out to be a negative that we have two solid guards committed, which is why I don’t get.
Anybody who knows CBB knows we can’t count on Carrington and Lowe for 30 min a game next year if we want to be a tourney team….. but sitting in Jan have 2 really solid guards signed beats the alternative of having 0, doesn’t it?
We all know we need an experienced guard and probably 2 but it’s January and that’s not possible yet so.
Sounds like a narrative that you made up in your mind. I'm not reading anything of the such. Both Carrington and Lowe have played above their current ranking and they are the reason Pitt has a top 25 class.
Imo, both can contribute next season because of their stillsets but we will see. Because of their youth, I fully expect at least 2 older guards to be on the roster for next season.
I just hope we have 13 scholarship players that all play a whole season without getting arrested, suspended, opting out or a season ending injury.
Pitt is going to take more players in the portal, obviously. We might take another high school player. We aren't going to go into next year with 9 actual players that can actually play like we are stuck with now. That doesn't include players that might not come back and may transfer off this current team.
Regardless of how much time they get next year and I think both are going to play quite a bit, they are building blocks for the future. All good programs sign top 100 players in high school. All of them. No team in the country is going to give up on high school recruiting to live off the portal.
There really is no reason for anyone at all to put these 2 players down unless you want the program to fail to get rid of Capel.
This is a recent video on Lowe this morning. What more do you want from a kid that is scoring almost 30 points per game on a top 5 team from a basketball state down in Texas. They have more, much more, than lived up to the hype and outperformed their current ranking.
I’m not making it out to be a negative at all. This is the same thing we’ve heard about every freshmen Vader has hyped up for as long as I can remember.
no one is putting anyone down. You’re hyping up recruits for the billionth time. You’ve done this every year. Every year we have the bestest players ever. It’s not breaking news that high major basketball recruits do well in high school basketball.
These guys might be long term but I have no interest in waiting another 4 years for a halfway decent season while everyone else stays older. Get back to me in portal SZN
Trying to be measured and realistic about how quickly he can transfer his skills to Pitt is hardly putting a player down. Who in this very long thread put one of these players down? Vadar?
I see Carrington as a spot up 3 point shooter like Elliott as a freshman. He's not going to command the ball to be effective. I see him playing the 2 or 3.
I started posting here in 2019.
2019
Champ- NBA, 2 and done, one of the best players in the acc, better than expected
Drumgoole- 4 star bust
AKC- Was fine for a backup player in the ACC, stats support this, no one expected much more
2020
Collier- you loved him, I did not like him and projected him to redshirt. Averaged about 5 points per game in the EYBL- Bust
Amadasun- Transfer with no hype, showed some flashes in the EYBL and at our saviour lutheran, Bust
Hugley- All ACC Honorable mention
Jeffress- to early to say, he came in at 17 years old as the youngest player in 4 decades in the acc, missed the whole season this year
Femi- Didnt play well enough his sophomore year, but is getting better now at Seton Hall in a more limited role with less usage as a junior. This one I really missed as I projected him to be much better
2021-
Santos-So far has not lived up to the shooting ability. But defense and rebounding have been fine. Has not taken a lot of shots this year.
2022
Dior- Didnt play, suspended
Twins- My comments on these 2 is that, I don't watch international players and I didn't know what to expect. I liked their shooting ability and potential with length and they had good numbers at IMG. They have been better than expected.
The one guy I got really wrong on was Femi. Capel has had 2 all acc selections in Hugley and Champ.
I wont get into your misses including how Cummings was way over his head coming into the ACC as you projected. He's one of the top guys responsible for this entire turnaround.
btw, I also hyped up Mintz a ton. He got his top 50 ranking and is in the running for acc freshmen of the year.
I haven’t watched a second of his video but looking on google at his stats and others evaluations it sounds like he is more of a Burton. Has a very strong mid range game. And he already has some strength to his frame. But doesn’t take a lot of 3’s and is a mid 30’s in 3 point percentage. Which is fine. I would take another Burton in a second.
Vadar. Just stop about Mintz. It wasn’t like he was some unranked recruit with no offers you discovered. My issue was how he would fit into Capel’s system as a freshman. And with the amount of players you hype you are bound to get a few right sometimes.
Last June Mintz wasnt even in the National Top 100. His national ranking plummeted after he committed to Pitt. Look at the ranking history on rivals or 247. You were one of the people calling me out last summer saying I was overrating him. You dont remember this? Ill bump the old threads.
Im going to get you the latest on Carrington's stats. I posted the MLK classic above where he made 7 threes in 1 game, I gave you the link to the box score. It will take me a little bit of time to get them. But Ill get them.
Ok. In the meantime I will spend all week pulling up old posts you hyped guys that never amounted to much. Deal?
So you don’t want to reply to all the misses you have had? I will stop arguing with you because I do value your info. Just not the high expectations you put on so many kids for fans who may not know basketball as well.
Vadar says every Pitt player will be LeBron. Bballinsider says they will all suck.
A tale as old as time. Lol
A tale as old as time. Lol
I dont understand why they have to go to such extremes. BballinsiderfromPitt's take on Mintz is all-time bad. He was Top 30/40 but he said he sucked since he committed to Pitt.
they both mean well and provide good info if you understand the context of what I said above haha
Samson was both. He enrolled early at Iona, but they cut him loose pretty much immediately. So he “transferred” here in the summer before his freshman year, and was immediately eligible. But he came here with freshman eligibility and was never really even at Iona in any practical sense.
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