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The ACC and the PAC 12 should create so sort of merger or alliance. The PAC 12 is on a death watch but if you look at the schools they are similar to the ACC schools. Exposure to the east coast media market would go a long way for them. I think a championship game between the coasts would be really cool.
 
9nationalchampionships said:
The ACC is fine! Maybe the PAC12 and Big 12.....of which I could care less
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I know the ACC is fine and I love the ACC. If the two leagues were able to create a beneficial partnership it would be the leader during the next round of realignment. Plus I would love seeing Pitt play UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
 
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I don't see anything to pin these 2 conferences together and the travel alone would make it too hard. The CFP trumps all the bowls now! I would rather see a playoff system with a home game for the top rated team and the national champ game somewhere like LA, MI, New Orleans

TFBaum said:
I know the ACC is fine and I love the ACC. If the two leagues were able to create a beneficial partnership it would be the leader during the next round of realignment. Plus I would love seeing Pitt play UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
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A few key schools should move on, others might look to move down and join the Mountain West Conference leaving the Pac12 and BIG12 no choice but to unite.

Power 4 conferences.
 
MBA75 said:
A few key schools should move on, others might look to move down and join the Mountain West Conference leaving the Pac12 and BIG12 no choice but to unite.

Power 4 conferences.
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Talk about a travel budget for WVU if the B12 and P 12 merged.
 
If football is not played this fall the two conferences on death watch are the pac 12 and the big 12. With the mountainqueers in the big 12 I would be scared sh*tless about finances this year!

If somehow they do play and no fans are in the stadium it is still going to be a big loss for all schools.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing ups and state college go bankrupt!
 
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joefromlancaster said:
If football is not played this fall the two conferences on death watch are the pac 12 and the big 12. With the mountainqueers in the big 12 I would be scared sh*tless about finances this year!

If somehow they do play and no fans are in the stadium it is still going to be a big loss for all schools.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing ups and state college go bankrupt!
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The Big 12 is in better shape then the PAC 12. If the PAC 12 folds I think WSU, OSU would end up in the Mountain West. If the Big 12 folds and the remaining PAC 12 schools merge with UT, OU OSU and maybe TT then ISU, KU,KSU,TCU and BU might merge with The conference SMU and Houston leaving WVU out to dry.
 
The ACCN is part the ABC/ESPN/Disney family. The ACC geographic footprint of states also contains the largest combined population of any other conference. That's very significant in regards to advertising appeal and exposure to eyeballs. Much of the ACC membership is also located in population growth states (especially the Carolinas, GA, FL). My feelings are that puts the ACC and ACCN in a tremendous position of strength, relative to conferences such as the PAC 12 and Big XII, in particular, that don't have their own linear channels.

Add in the ND agreement to play 6 ACC games a year and it gives the ACC even more strength in terms of ratings and an additional element of fan appeal.

ACC basketball is every bit as strong of a product as there is in the nation. Expect the ACC and ACCN to continue to thrive moving ahead. It's now up to Pitt to do what it takes to thrive on the field to take advantage of their opportunities as an ACC member.
 
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TFBaum said:
The ACC and the PAC 12 should create so sort of merger or alliance. The PAC 12 is on a death watch but if you look at the schools they are similar to the ACC schools. Exposure to the east coast media market would go a long way for them. I think a championship game between the coasts would be really cool.
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Very Sean Miller Fan-like nonsense
 
WVU just announced a major budget decline and ten percent cut for their athletic coaches. This is just the tip of the iceberg for most colleges in the country if the two big revenue sports football and to a lesser degree basketball seasons are canceled or abbreviated this academic year.
 
poconopanther said:
WVU just announced a major budget decline and ten percent cut for their athletic coaches. This is just the tip of the iceberg for most colleges in the country if the two big revenue sports football and to a lesser degree basketball seasons are canceled or abbreviated this academic year.
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It is interesting that people don’t learn from others mistakes. Maryland spent money like a drunken sailor and has never recovered. They have an incredible swimming facility but no varsity team.
 
poconopanther said:
WVU just announced a major budget decline and ten percent cut for their athletic coaches. This is just the tip of the iceberg for most colleges in the country if the two big revenue sports football and to a lesser degree basketball seasons are canceled or abbreviated this academic year.
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If the ENTIRE SYSTEM fails, then yes, there will be a problem. Same for all of the pro sports. And if that happens, then there will be FAR GREATER problems for everyone than college FB & BB.

But speaking for myself, I honestly don't expect that to happen. Believe there will be seasons in some form. TV is the biggest source of revenue and at the very least the games that are played will be televised. The future is very difficult to try to predict. But there will be a future and it will include pro and college sports.
 
MBA75 said:
They're one of the programs that should get out of the BIG12.
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Sure. But where would they go? Independent? They can't invite themselves into another P-5 conference. And no other P-5 conference is interested in inviting them.
 
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TFBaum said:
The ACC and the PAC 12 should create so sort of merger or alliance. The PAC 12 is on a death watch but if you look at the schools they are similar to the ACC schools. Exposure to the east coast media market would go a long way for them. I think a championship game between the coasts would be really cool.
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There was serious talk about a Big Ten - Pac12 scheduling alliance back in 2012. It fell apart because of the difference in the # of conference football games each played at the time. After that failed, the Big Ten expanded with Maryland and Rutgers and added a 9th conference game.

The problem for the ACC is that schools have 8 conference games, plus five schools will have ND mandated in any given season meaning essentially 9 games, and four schools have an additional untouchable in-state rivalries games. You also have UNC and Wake scheduling a series outside of the conference and a Pitt and WVU series coming up that has long-term potential. That leaves very little flexibility for even a partial scheduling alliance, and it is also why there is resistance within the conference to move to a 9 game conference schedule, even though it would mean more money and why three other P5 conferences (including the Pac) have already moved to 9.

A championship game between the two conferences could cost one of them a slot in the football playoff as currently construed.

It wouldn't make sense for most of the ACC or Pac membership at this point.
 
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poconopanther said:
WVU just announced a major budget decline and ten percent cut for their athletic coaches. This is just the tip of the iceberg for most colleges in the country if the two big revenue sports football and to a lesser degree basketball seasons are canceled or abbreviated this academic year.
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Huggy doesn't even care about his 10% cut in pay.Buts he's pissed at the AD because he cut his alcohol buget by 50%!
 
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Time for Pat to start really looking at non P-5 programs for fill in players.
Get ahead of the curve and look at Cincinnati and other non P-5 for good fill in players.
If this season is cancelled there are a lot of schools that are going to go belly up!
 
joefromlancaster said:
Time for Pat to start really looking at non P-5 programs for fill in players.
Get ahead of the curve and look at Cincinnati and other non P-5 for good fill in players.
If this season is cancelled there are a lot of schools that are going to go belly up!
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It should be interesting. Does D II grow or does D I retract?
 
What I find interesting is that most people pegged to Big XII to be the one that gets dissolved, but they might be the ones delivering the death blow to the Pac.
 
HailToPitt725 said:
What I find interesting is that most people pegged to Big XII to be the one that gets dissolved, but they might be the ones delivering the death blow to the Pac.
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I agree. My wife is a Cal grad whose family is all UCLA grads. The PAC 12 is basically Pitt football they care but aren’t nuts about it. If they win okay if they lose well there is tomorrow.
 
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I agree. My wife is a Cal grad whose family is all UCLA grads. The PAC 12 is basically Pitt football they care but aren’t nuts about it. If they win okay if they lose well there is tomorrow.
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I wonder what direction the Big XII would take in such a scenario. It seems like they could either go after Colorado and then try to poach Missouri and/or Nebraska to “get the gang back together” or they could do a straight-up power move and try to add USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc.
 
If they can get rid of Larry Scott the PAC will be fine. That guy should be arrested for what he’s done to that conference.
 
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If then big 12 and the pac 12 merge. The mountainqueers are just digging a bigger hole for themselves with travel. I can almost see the west coast schools saying we're not going to west virginia. I think the rest of the big 12 would like to get rid of the hoopies. Between travel and inbreeds, I can't see any civilized group wanting to deal with them.
 
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If then big 12 and the pac 12 merge. The mountainqueers are just digging a bigger hole for themselves with travel. I can almost see the west coast schools saying we're not going to west virginia. I think the rest of the big 12 would like to get rid of the hoopies. Between travel and inbreeds, I can't see any civilized group wanting to deal with them.
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Joe for the 7th time thanks for your kind words about Wvu.Joe how do you post on here I thought you Amish didn't have electricity?By the way the Mountaineers will be fine in the future even though are athletics can't compare to your Panthers.
 
Pizzaboy how are you!
Yes, us Amish do have electricity, we make our own from a
generator. If you need help with an explanation of what a generator is
ask and I will simplify it for you.
I know all about the begging of the mountainqueers to get into the ACC. I'm sorry that the mountainqueers just couldn't measure up. All I can say is keep the faith. When the ACC looks to expand again, tell me that the mountainqueers won't be begging to get an invite? I guess Lubbock Texas is a great place to visit every other year.

All kidding aside.
I hope you and your family are safe and taking care.


H2P


joe
 
Joe the Mountaineers have always wanted in the ACC but we didn't measure up academically. As Crazy Peco said Wva only has 3,217 TV sets in the whole state noone wants them We're lucky Luck got us in the Big12 or we'd be like Cinn and Conn.
I'm having Softball withdrawl right now.I'm heading up to my Cabin in Benezette this week to fish and hide from the Virus.
 
Pizzaboy2 said:
Joe the Mountaineers have always wanted in the ACC but we didn't measure up academically. As Crazy Peco said Wva only has 3,217 TV sets in the whole state noone wants them We're lucky Luck got us in the Big12 or we'd be like Cinn and Conn.
I'm having Softball withdrawl right now.I'm heading up to my Cabin in Benezette this week to fish and hide from the Virus.
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The sad thing is WVU is a better fit in the Big 10 then Maryland. WVU is popular in the DMV. Maryland is a train wreck.
 
TFBaum said:
The sad thing is WVU is a better fit in the Big 10 then Maryland. WVU is popular in the DMV. Maryland is a train wreck.
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Omg Baum the Big 10 administrators won't even travel through Wva let alone consider us for the Big.Academically Pitt fits their criteria but is stuck between OSU and Psu so that was never going to happen.The Big 12 is a killer for our BB teams because of the travel time during the week. It's going to kill our budget on Olympic team travel this year too with revenues down.
 
Pizzaboy2 said:
Omg Baum the Big 10 administrators won't even travel through Wva let alone consider us for the Big.Academically Pitt fits their criteria but is stuck between OSU and Psu so that was never going to happen.The Big 12 is a killer for our BB teams because of the travel time during the week. It's going to kill our budget on Olympic team travel this year too with revenues down.
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The academic argument is such a joke WVU is equal if not better then NU. WVU has a major medical facility. The Big 10 thought they were getting DMV eyeballs when in reality they didn’t gain a thing taking UMD. I would love to meet the analyst that made that decision.
 
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