Conference Scheduling Idea: (might be brilliant)

[ShoelessAntonio]

Ok, so a lot of talk is going on about the possibility of a 9 game conference schedule vs an 8 game conference schedule. Or even the possibility of playing some "non-conference" games against conference foes. I know that one issue that teams want to play teams from the other division more often. Ex. how pitt will only get to play Florida St ever 6 years right now. I have what I think could be a really good idea, that can make our conference really exciting:

EVERY 2 YEARS- HAVE A DRAWING (LOTTERY) TO SELECT WHICH TEAMS ARE IN WHICH DIVISION
--this way, you keep the divisions fresh and exciting- and every 2 years you get a different slate of conference games.
--during the 2 years- you'd play a home/home with each team in your division. then you could play 2 crossover games from the other division
--now, you could still have the contingency that some teams will always play their natural rival.. for instance if fsu/miami, pitt/cuse, unc/duke ended up in different divisions, those games would be a required crossover game.
--now you wouldn't necessarily have to wait as long to play all the other teams in the other divisions

I just think this could be a real way to keep the acc exciting
Could this possibly ever work?? Why couldn't it work??

 

[OriginalEther]

Well, it could lead some years to some really unbalanced divisions.
Could also work out to where you don't see a team in well over six years.

I'll say it again.....if the whole goal is increased opponent frequency, drop the annual crossover game.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I think Pitt would be best served trying to create conference rivalries. That is how you sell a minor-league sport (college football) in a major-league market like Pittsburgh.

People are putting Florida State and Clemson on way too high of a pedestal. They're good teams, there's no doubt about it. However, if Miami gets its shitt together that is a better program.

Virginia Tech was a monster there for a while in the 90s and early 2000's. The Hokies could easily get back to that level again.

Georgia Tech won the national championship as recently as 1990.

My point is don't be so shortsighted. Keep the divisions as they are and let rivalries foster therein. That's how we are going to get to where we need to be from a fan experience standpoint. It's not going to happen by trying to win the FSU lottery more often than not.

 

[HailToPitt725]

I think Pitt would be best served trying to create conference rivalries. That is how you sell a minor-league sport (college football) in a major-league market like Pittsburgh.

People are putting Florida State and Clemson on way too high of a pedestal. They're good teams, there's no doubt about it. However, if Miami gets its shitt together that is a better program.

Virginia Tech was a monster there for a while in the 90s and early 2000's. The Hokies could easily get back to that level again.

Georgia Tech won the national championship as recently as 1990.

My point is don't be so shortsighted. Keep the divisions as they are and let rivalries foster therein. That's how we are going to get to where we need to be from a fan experience standpoint. It's not going to happen by trying to win the FSU lottery more often than not.

This. We had some great games going on against Miami and Virginia Tech in the early 2000's and it'd be awesome if we could get that back up again and turn those into some rivalries.

 

[topdecktiger]

Ok, so a lot of talk is going on about the possibility of a 9 game conference schedule vs an 8 game conference schedule. Or even the possibility of playing some "non-conference" games against conference foes. I know that one issue that teams want to play teams from the other division more often. Ex. how pitt will only get to play Florida St ever 6 years right now. I have what I think could be a really good idea, that can make our conference really exciting:

EVERY 2 YEARS- HAVE A DRAWING (LOTTERY) TO SELECT WHICH TEAMS ARE IN WHICH DIVISION
--this way, you keep the divisions fresh and exciting- and every 2 years you get a different slate of conference games.
--during the 2 years- you'd play a home/home with each team in your division. then you could play 2 crossover games from the other division
--now, you could still have the contingency that some teams will always play their natural rival.. for instance if fsu/miami, pitt/cuse, unc/duke ended up in different divisions, those games would be a required crossover game.
--now you wouldn't necessarily have to wait as long to play all the other teams in the other divisions

I just think this could be a real way to keep the acc exciting
Could this possibly ever work?? Why couldn't it work??

It could work, (although I'd come up with a little more systematic way to rotate the divisions). The only problem you would have is keeping together all the rivalry games.

if the whole goal is increased opponent frequency, drop the annual crossover game.

That's not the goal. The only reason they are doing this is because ESPN is requiring either 8+2 or 9+1 for the network. It's got nothing to do with increased opponent frequency.

 

[Begbie_Nole]

Well, it could lead some years to some really unbalanced divisions.
Could also work out to where you don't see a team in well over six years.

I'll say it again.....if the whole goal is increased opponent frequency, drop the annual crossover game.

You cant. FSU needs to play miami every year as does UNC and NCSt. Clemson GT is also a big game that needs to be played every year.

 

[vegasgreed]

Last time someone other than FSU or Clemson won the ACC was 2010. FSU and Clemson deserve the pedestal right now. They have proved it on the field, the rest is just BS. To be the man, you have to beat the man.

Since 1999, only 5 schools have won the ACC championship.

Miami, when is the last time they won the ACC? Yeah, that is what I thought.

I think Pitt would be best served trying to create conference rivalries. That is how you sell a minor-league sport (college football) in a major-league market like Pittsburgh.

People are putting Florida State and Clemson on way too high of a pedestal. They're good teams, there's no doubt about it. However, if Miami gets its shitt together that is a better program.

Virginia Tech was a monster there for a while in the 90s and early 2000's. The Hokies could easily get back to that level again.

Georgia Tech won the national championship as recently as 1990.

My point is don't be so shortsighted. Keep the divisions as they are and let rivalries foster therein. That's how we are going to get to where we need to be from a fan experience standpoint. It's not going to happen by trying to win the FSU lottery more often than not.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I think you may have misunderstood me re: Clemson and Florida State.

Nobody is disputing that Florida State and Clemson are clearly the top two programs in the ACC and have been for some time now.

I'm just refusing to bow at their altar. They don't have any leverage to do anything and they shouldn't get any special dispensation no matter what is decided with the schedule.

To use the timeframe you laid out - 2010–2015 - only three teams have won the Big Ten: Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Are Penn State, Michigan and Nebraska bowing at their altar?

Does Wisconsin belong on a pedestal above Michigan?

My point is you can make any point you choose to make whenever you carefully craft the guidelines.

As for Miami, look, people can believe whatever they choose to believe. However, history tells us that when the Hurricanes get their shitt together, they're the best program of the three and arguably the best program in the country.

Miami positively OWNED Florida State when they were both of their absolute apex in the 80s and 90s. Even for as bad as they've been for as long as they've been relative to their traditional standard, they are still just 15 years removed from their most recent national championship.

Miami has been down for a while, there's no doubt about that. They made a few questionable coaching hires in a row and as a result they've struggled.

However, do you really think they're going to stay down forever? That's completely insane, IMV.

Please don't mistake me for a Miami fan because nothing could be further from the truth. I can't stand them and I never could. However, I analyze this stuff with my brain, not my heart and there is nothing that is logically preventing them from regaining their former perch – nothing.

That area is still ripe with talent and all they have to do is convince all of those stud athletes to stay home and get the right coach and they will be very, very good.

 

[Jpripper88]

I think you may have misunderstood me re: Clemson and Florida State.

Nobody is disputing that Florida State and Clemson are clearly the top two programs in the ACC and have been for some time now.

I'm just refusing to bow at their altar. They don't have any leverage to do anything and they shouldn't get any special dispensation no matter what is decided with the schedule.

To use the timeframe you laid out - 2010–2015 - only three teams have won the Big Ten: Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Are Penn State, Michigan and Nebraska bowing at their altar?

Does Wisconsin belong on a pedestal above Michigan?

My point is you can make any point you choose to make whenever you carefully craft the guidelines.

As for Miami, look, people can believe whatever they choose to believe. However, history tells us that when the Hurricanes get their shitt together, they're the best program of the three and arguably the best program in the country.

Miami positively OWNED Florida State when they were both of their absolute apex in the 80s and 90s. Even for as bad as they've been for as long as they've been relative to their traditional standard, they are still just 15 years removed from their most recent national championship.

Miami has been down for a while, there's no doubt about that. They made a few questionable coaching hires in a row and as a result they've struggled.

However, do you really think they're going to stay down forever? That's completely insane, IMV.

Please don't mistake me for a Miami fan because nothing could be further from the truth. I can't stand them and I never could. However, I analyze this stuff with my brain, not my heart and there is nothing that is logically preventing them from regaining their former perch – nothing.

That area is still ripe with talent and all they have to do is convince all of those stud athletes to stay home and get the right coach and they will be very, very good.

I don't think Miami did "OWN" FSU. They have basically swapped dominance in the series. They basically flipped wins to start the 80s. Then Miami won 7 of 8. That was followed by FSU winning 6 of 7. Then Miami won 6 straight. FSU has since won 9 of 11. Miami has had 5 NCs. FSU has had 3. FSU also had the longest period of top 5 finishes with 14 straight years. FSU has won their conference 15 times (and 11 over the same time period of Miami's) vs 9 for Miami.

That isn't either side owning anything.

If anything, I think FSU has the better longterm potential. They have access to the same level of talent, thanks to the Mobile area and south GA. They have a much stronger commitment to their program. They have much better fan support. They have much better facilities.

I think the history and potential of Miami has been largely pumped up by a lot of revisionist history. They had a great run in the 80s and dominated a very mediocre BE. Before that and for the last 10 years they have been a pretty average program. And they aren't close to being the best program in the country.

 

[vegasgreed]

keep talking up miami yinzer. again, tell me when miami last won the acc? I'll wait.

i'm still waiting. thats right, we both know the answer to that question, but your talking them up like they've been there done that. their facilities suck and they don't have the money. meanwhile FSU just raised the pay of the entire staff yesterday, including a 300k raise to their DC alone.

here is a reality check for you. FSU has done it, multiple times.

 

[OriginalEther]

You cant. FSU needs to play miami every year as does UNC and NCSt. Clemson GT is also a big game that needs to be played every year.

Miami and fsu is the only one that fits the bill. But frankly, if I were a Miami fan I'd be passed about playing Fsu every year while a school like vtech got Boston College or Pitt got Syracuse. That's often not real fair.
No one really cares about the other two you listed. If they are really that important, then switch up the divisions.

 

[OriginalEther]

I think you may have misunderstood me re: Clemson and Florida State.

Nobody is disputing that Florida State and Clemson are clearly the top two programs in the ACC and have been for some time now.

I'm just refusing to bow at their altar. They don't have any leverage to do anything and they shouldn't get any special dispensation no matter what is decided with the schedule.

To use the timeframe you laid out - 2010–2015 - only three teams have won the Big Ten: Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Are Penn State, Michigan and Nebraska bowing at their altar?

Does Wisconsin belong on a pedestal above Michigan?

My point is you can make any point you choose to make whenever you carefully craft the guidelines.

As for Miami, look, people can believe whatever they choose to believe. However, history tells us that when the Hurricanes get their shitt together, they're the best program of the three and arguably the best program in the country.

Miami positively OWNED Florida State when they were both of their absolute apex in the 80s and 90s. Even for as bad as they've been for as long as they've been relative to their traditional standard, they are still just 15 years removed from their most recent national championship.

Miami has been down for a while, there's no doubt about that. They made a few questionable coaching hires in a row and as a result they've struggled.

However, do you really think they're going to stay down forever? That's completely insane, IMV.

Please don't mistake me for a Miami fan because nothing could be further from the truth. I can't stand them and I never could. However, I analyze this stuff with my brain, not my heart and there is nothing that is logically preventing them from regaining their former perch – nothing.

That area is still ripe with talent and all they have to do is convince all of those stud athletes to stay home and get the right coach and they will be very, very good.

I'd also add that Clemson was far from top dog status in the years prior to Dabo Sweeney taking over.

 

[topdecktiger]

Miami and fsu is the only one that fits the bill. But frankly, if I were a Miami fan I'd be passed about playing Fsu every year while a school like vtech got Boston College or Pitt got Syracuse. That's often not real fair.
No one really cares about the other two you listed. If they are really that important, then switch up the divisions.

It's not a matter of whether you care or not. The other schools simply won't give up the games. Florida St and Miami won't give up their game. North Carolina and NC State won't give up their game. You also have problems if you switch up the divisions. North Carolina and Virginia won't give up their game. Duke and North Carolina won't give up their game. Miami and Virginia won't give up their game. Virginia and Virginia Tech won't give up their game. Miami and Virginia Tech won't give up their game. There are a bunch of rivalry games that teams won't give up, and the current setup is about the only way to keep them.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I'm sorry I just think it's totally crazy to think that Miami's going to stay down forever or that the game has somehow passed them by and they can no longer compete.

Honestly, that's just completely insane and I could not disagree with that more ardently.

Do you really think Clemson, for example, has more long-term potential than Miami? The Tigers have more fans, better institutional support, better facilities, you name it...and they also have nowhere near the same level of potential as The U.

Florida State has a higher ceiling than Clemson but Miami has a talent base within an hour's drive of its campus that is unmatched by anyone except possibly USC and maybe TCU.

I think people are grossly underestimating the power and potential of Miami and they do so at their own peril.

I'll say it this way: in my lifetime, the three best programs have been Alabama, USC and Miami. Not Notre Dame, not Oklahoma, not Florida State, not Clemson, not Texas, not LSU, not Michigan, not Ohio State, not Florida.

Alabama, USC and Miami.

As such, you will never find me underestimating any of those programs because I've seen what they can do when they get their act together and it's positively incredible.

 

[OriginalEther]

It's not a matter of whether you care or not. The other schools simply won't give up the games. Florida St and Miami won't give up their game. North Carolina and NC State won't give up their game. You also have problems if you switch up the divisions. North Carolina and Virginia won't give up their game. Duke and North Carolina won't give up their game. Miami and Virginia won't give up their game. Virginia and Virginia Tech won't give up their game. Miami and Virginia Tech won't give up their game. There are a bunch of rivalry games that teams won't give up, and the current setup is about the only way to keep them.

Again, assuming this is a discussion the whole league is having....and not something brought up by insane Pitt fans.....I'm just pointing out the quickest and simplest remedy.

Personally, I could care less either way.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'm sorry I just think it's totally crazy to think that Miami's going to stay down forever or that the game has somehow passed them by and they can no longer compete.

Honestly, that's just completely insane and I could not disagree with that more ardently.

Do you really think Clemson, for example, has more long-term potential than Miami? The Tigers have more fans, better institutional support, better facilities, you name it...and they also have nowhere near the same level of potential as The U.

Florida State has a higher ceiling than Clemson but Miami has a talent base within an hour's drive of its campus that is unmatched by anyone except possibly USC and maybe TCU.

I think people are grossly underestimating the power and potential of Miami and they do so at their own peril.

I'll say it this way: in my lifetime, the three best programs have been Alabama, USC and Miami. Not Notre Dame, not Oklahoma, not Florida State, not Clemson, not Texas, not LSU, not Michigan, not Ohio State, not Florida.

Alabama, USC and Miami. As such, you will never find me underestimating any of those programs because I've seen what they can do when they get their act together and it's positively incredible.

You are correct in that over the long-term, Miami is better than Clemson.

If we had to bet on records over the next 20 years, I think I'd go with:

1. FSU
2. Miami
3. Clemson

 

[Jpripper88]

I'm sorry I just think it's totally crazy to think that Miami's going to stay down forever or that the game has somehow passed them by and they can no longer compete.

Honestly, that's just completely insane and I could not disagree with that more ardently.

Do you really think Clemson, for example, has more long-term potential than Miami? The Tigers have more fans, better institutional support, better facilities, you name it...and they also have nowhere near the same level of potential as The U.

Florida State has a higher ceiling than Clemson but Miami has a talent base within an hour's drive of its campus that is unmatched by anyone except possibly USC and maybe TCU.

I think people are grossly underestimating the power and potential of Miami and they do so at their own peril.

I'll say it this way: in my lifetime, the three best programs have been Alabama, USC and Miami. Not Notre Dame, not Oklahoma, not Florida State, not Clemson, not Texas, not LSU, not Michigan, not Ohio State, not Florida.

Alabama, USC and Miami.

As such, you will never find me underestimating any of those programs because I've seen what they can do when they get their act together and it's positively incredible.

No one ever said Miami is going to "stay down forever" just that you completely misconstrued their "OWNING" of FSU and their dominance and potential.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

If 9 passes, I like the 6-1-1-1 model
6 division
1 permanent annual crossover
1 permanent semi annual crossover alternating between 2
1 rotating crossover
you now play every acc team(and ND) at least once every 4 years
gives fsu, clem more games with ga tech, va tech, miami

 

[vegasgreed]

You guys are not even paying attention to what is ACTUALLY happening on the field. MIAMI HAS NEVER WON THE CONFERENCE.

Back to the pedestal thing. Clemson and FSU have DOMINATED in recent years. They completely deserve the credit. And this is coming from a poster who hates Dabo Swinney. They have proven it on the field. That trumps everything.

But you guys want to argue with facts. Good luck with that. This reminds me of the stock market when the price goes from 100 down to 10 and people fight/argue with price all the way down.

You are correct in that over the long-term, Miami is better than Clemson.

If we had to bet on records over the next 20 years, I think I'd go with:

1. FSU
2. Miami
3. Clemson

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

Jesus you are dumb, Von Yinzer is talking about it's potential idiot not what they have done lately.....and I agree with him, Miami, has the most fertile recruiting area other than USC and Texas........if Richt can turn it around look out........

You guys are not even paying attention to what is ACTUALLY happening on the field. MIAMI HAS NEVER WON THE CONFERENCE.

Back to the pedestal thing. Clemson and FSU have DOMINATED in recent years. They completely deserve the credit. And this is coming from a poster who hates Dabo Swinney. They have proven it on the field. That trumps everything.

But you guys want to argue with facts. Good luck with that. This reminds me of the stock market when the price goes from 100 down to 10 and people fight/argue with price all the way down.

 

[vegasgreed]

how has that potential worked out over the last 25 years? they've had potential all along, end of the day, they cannot win.

1. facilities suck
2. 3rd best program in state
3. No money

miami has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you need more than a good recruiting area.

i will agree on this. Richt will do better than the last few coaches.

Jesus you are dumb, Von Yinzer is talking about it's potential idiot not what they have done lately.....and I agree with him, Miami, has the most fertile recruiting area other than USC and Texas........if Richt can turn it around look out........

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

The past 25 years? two NC's another loss in an NC....BCS berths.......anything else?....don't be obtuse .......

how has that potential worked out over the last 25 years? they've had potential all along, end of the day, they cannot win.

1. facilities suck
2. 3rd best program in state
3. No money

miami has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you need more than a good recruiting area.

i will agree on this. Richt will do better than the last few coaches.

 

[vegasgreed]

yeah, how many acc titles?

The past 25 years? two NC's another loss in an NC....BCS berths.......anything else?....don't be obtuse .......

 

[topdecktiger]

If 9 passes, I like the 6-1-1-1 model
6 division
1 permanent annual crossover
1 permanent semi annual crossover alternating between 2
1 rotating crossover
you now play every acc team(and ND) at least once every 4 years
gives fsu, clem more games with ga tech, va tech, miami

Why wouldn't you just rotate both games, instead of making one semi-rotating? Then you would get through all the teams faster.