Exactly how many hospitals will be one block from The New Pitt Stadium? Except for pregame and post game, what kind of traffic will there be? And do you think that there aren't precautions and planning done on behalf of ambulance and the city services to compensate for traffic. Heart attacks are now almost exclusive handled by ambulance corp in the wagon. Traffic In flows and out flows in Oakland have changed tremendously since 1980. The goal of New Pitt stadium ~ for 6 SATURDAYS IN THE FALL ~ is to get people to come to Oakland EARLY, SPEND THE DAY, SPEND THEIR MONEY AND ADD TO THE VIBRANCY OF CULTURAL LIFE ON CAMPUS. LIKE A GREAT FAIR OR FESTIVAL.
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Exactly how many hospitals will be one block from The New Pitt Stadium? Except for pregame and post game, what kind of traffic will there be? And do you think that there aren't precautions and planning done on behalf of ambulance and the city services to compensate for traffic. Heart attacks are now almost exclusive handled by ambulance corp in the wagon. Traffic In flows and out flows in Oakland have changed tremendously since 1980. The goal of New Pitt stadium ~ for 6 SATURDAYS IN THE FALL ~ is to get people to come to Oakland EARLY, SPEND THE DAY, SPEND THEIR MONEY AND ADD TO THE VIBRANCY OF CULTURAL LIFE ON CAMPUS. LIKE A GREAT FAIR OR FESTIVAL.
That is minor doom and gloom by naysayers. The people at Pitt today are simply not bozos like in years gone by.
Spending that much of your time to create nonsense is a testimony to you and your professionalism. Very well done. Please post more of your professional work. LOLOL
His day is done. Hoops is on the outs. So is his connections. And Football is on the rise. It just kills the petty and ignorant to lose their status. LOL
Chico Lind's New Pitt Stadium 2.0 drawings have been updated with all the great feedback from this board... and some other genius ideas, too. Keep them coming.
The AD doesn't seem to be returning my calls for some reason... there must be a technical issue with the phone system this week or something. I'm sure it will be resolved soon, and I'm prepping the presentation. Anyone have a lamination machine and an overhead projector? The design speaks for itself, but we need to go first class with this presentation!
The AD doesn't seem to be returning my calls for some reason... there must be a technical issue with the phone system this week or something. I'm sure it will be resolved soon, and I'm prepping the presentation. Anyone have a lamination machine and an overhead projector? The design speaks for itself, but we need to go first class with this presentation!
Pitt already owns the land on the Hill / OC lot, etc. 50K stadium for $200,000,000 maximum with any overruns.
Can you see that after 42,000 posts (which is a remarkably sad statement on your life) that you are nothing but yinzing doom and gloom?
You can pull anything from any where you may like. Try having your architect students (I believe that you are a professor! lol) and they can make a plan for themselves. I am sure the website at www.newpittstadium.com will give you a link button too! lol
Ummm…isn't that the purpose of the North Shore, minus the strolls on campus? And with infinitely easier access, tailgating/parking availability, greater variety of eating/drinking establishments? IE: far more fan friendly? You may scoff at parking and traffic concerns, but they are legitimate. The North Shore solves those issues without a penny being spent.
Will the hill top Tepper Field at PPG Coliseum include expanded Fifth/Forbes, Centre, Herron, Bates and Bigelow corridors?
I think it's time for you to get behind JoseLind's plan that addresses these issues, includes designs for improving existing traffic patterns, and improves tailgating opportunities, let alone the construction of the Wanny Colossus.
probably not in numbers. Space going away but garages going up.. Parking is fine in supply, tailgating under God's blue sky? not so much..
True. And yet surface lot space on the North Shore is still far greater today than what was ever available in Oakland.
If the New Pitt stadium is on Campus then it is near the hospitals. And your still not addressing the issue that you still have to add the infrastructure to the mix. I never said don't build it on campus I just asked how that gets dealt with. As nice as your Yelling in Bold plan is it still costs to build infrastructure. And no one is talking about that. I want to hear that as part of the plan. and where that money comes from? Would the state pony up millions for 6 -7 days a year?
Chico Lind's New Pitt Stadium 2.0 drawings have been updated with all the great feedback from this board... and some other genius ideas, too. Keep them coming.
The AD doesn't seem to be returning my calls for some reason... there must be a technical issue with the phone system this week or something. I'm sure it will be resolved soon, and I'm prepping the presentation. Anyone have a lamination machine and an overhead projector? The design speaks for itself, but we need to go first class with this presentation!
This just gets better and better. Is there anyway that we can get Heinz to sponsor the construction of the 376 Bridge to defray costs? Im thinking we could incorporate a giant green pickle design into the bridge.
And if you would indulge me…how about a hovering outdoor track over the stadium. Almost like an athletic halo representative of the virtuous Pitt scholar athletes that have come before and gone to greener pastures.
I"m actually very optimistic in general.
I"m also not detached from reality..and can see a high school effort when I see it.
Clearly, we should have fit a new Pitt Stadium in the footprint where Children's Hospital was.
From my understanding (and from people who live in orlando)
Brighthouse was build on the super cheap, every possible corner was cut and it kinda sucks.
The Citrus Bowl now renovated is a much better stadium.
It is nice that you invoke me so that I can yet again confirm for everyone that you do not have the slightest clue about what you are purporting to talk about.
Crazy Paco, in the other stadium thread, Z #2 stated, "Crazy, please stop. You are being rude and unknowledgable. Read the information and process it. We have relied on your fact posting, but it seems that you are more angry about the new Pitt Stadium then anything else in the Pitt Athletics Universe. It was you who posted images of the New Pitt Stadium on the OC Lot that is a part of the Pitt GSPIA Study."
Could you please re-post those images?
You stated later in that same thread, "
I don't have a problem with what Von Yinzer is calling for or saying for the most part, not that the public would likely ever see the results of such a study, which for all anyone knows has already been done. We know architectural plans were rendered for a replacement stadium and other athletic and non-athletic projects that have never gotten off the ground for various reasons including the results of feasibility studies. If a study hasn't been done, it should be, because there always should be contingency plans. I know that there have been contingency plans so it doesn't worry me.
Can you share any of the results of the study, the feasibility studies and those architechtural plans that were rendered for a replacement stadium? Or tell us some details about the contingency plans that you state existed?
Gracias.
Could you please re-post those images?
You stated later in that same thread, "
I don't have a problem with what Von Yinzer is calling for or saying for the most part, not that the public would likely ever see the results of such a study, which for all anyone knows has already been done. We know architectural plans were rendered for a replacement stadium and other athletic and non-athletic projects that have never gotten off the ground for various reasons including the results of feasibility studies. If a study hasn't been done, it should be, because there always should be contingency plans. I know that there have been contingency plans so it doesn't worry me.
Can you share any of the results of the study, the feasibility studies and those architechtural plans that were rendered for a replacement stadium? Or tell us some details about the contingency plans that you state existed?
Gracias.
No, I am not a professor or architect. I never did anything of the sort, but I employ universities to do engineering projects for me, and they have students do quick mock ups that are very professional.
I dont really comprehend your response to me, as it doesnt make sense 'will give you a link button too!lol' no idea what that means, but was just saying that with very little work a really nice mock up can be done.
Calling that Etch-a-Sketch an architectural rendering isn't very professional. How much dumb $$ has been poured into your crowd fund??? Hint: Take it to the "O' for lunch.
And UCF has land, and Florida, for people who have never been out of Pittsburgh, is flat
I have one image that I can share. Unfortunately, it is the only one I saved.
I can say this about the stadium rendering: it is from a space utilization study for athletic facilities was drawn up for the university by Apostolou right around, or just after, they were designing the Pete...(early 2000s, I can't remember off the top of my head). Stadium details in these plans aren't fleshed out in any detail because there wasn't an imminent need or desire for such a facility (and still isn't). These things are about land usage and urban planning. Therefore, rough locations and ideas have been contemplated for a new stadium, in the event that such was needed, almost as soon as it was torn down. A major point here though is that a new stadium isn't needed. There are many different plans that are drawn up just to consider possibilities for all sorts of things on campus. Most of them never come to pass let along get to a serious design phase.
And I have to emphasize, Pitt was never seriously considering putting a stadium there. There are a ton of problems with that location and it likely wouldn't ever be used for such a project.
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That drawing actually show you why a stadium would not fit in that location. On the left hand side it runs all the way to Robinson Street Extension. Which as anyone who has ever been up there knows is about a 50 foot cliff. In the back it actually runs into the Cost Center, which is on top of a parking garage that is built up along about a 75 foot cliff. Additionally, the land on the Allequippa Street side of the stadium is at least 50 feet below the level at the top of the hill, as anyone who has ever parked in the OC lot and walked down the steps to the Pete knows.
Z tells everyone that his civil engineering friend says that they wouldn't even have to do any excavation to put a stadium on the OC lot site. Anyone with an ounce of brains who has even been up there already knew this was a ridiculous notion. That drawing, showing what they would have to do to even contemplate putting a stadium up there, puts the lie to that. They would have to remove 50-plus feet of dirt and rock over almost that whole site to make that stadium work.
Well, either that or build the back end of the stadium on stilts. Really, really long stilts.
Z tells everyone that his civil engineering friend says that they wouldn't even have to do any excavation to put a stadium on the OC lot site. Anyone with an ounce of brains who has even been up there already knew this was a ridiculous notion. That drawing, showing what they would have to do to even contemplate putting a stadium up there, puts the lie to that. They would have to remove 50-plus feet of dirt and rock over almost that whole site to make that stadium work.
Well, either that or build the back end of the stadium on stilts. Really, really long stilts.
I enjoyed reading all the discussions and information on any new facilities, and just glad Pitt is still building up the Football Program to become a Top 25 Program.
FYI to add what is going on right now in CFB race to retaining excellence and winning NCS and compliments as well challenges what many said here with a Link to share and learn on the Lair:
Excerpts & Link:
Behold, then, a collective groupthink as to how to go about all athletic success. Behold the copycats …
The new/renovated stadium is at the top of the list. Texas A&M is one of those 42 schools to go all in since 2009. The school currently leads that category with a $500 million renovation of Kyle Field. “Our goal,” said Sam Torn, a former chairman of the 12th Man Foundation, “is when an opposing team walks out on that field, it's going to be so wild and so intense, literally somehow is going to wet their pants.”
Maybe that explains why coach Kevin Sumlin may be on the hot seat after winning “only” eight games in back-to-back seasons. Kyle Field -- the fifth-largest venue in the Western Hemisphere -- must stay full.
Salaries. They've gone up 500 percent since 1985, according to economist Roger Noll. Five college football coaches make at least the NFL average -- $4.5 million. You're nothing if you're not perceived to pay big time.
The highest-paid Group of Five coach is Houston's Tom Herman, now making $3 million per year. Each of the 30 coaches above him who earn more is from a Power Five league. When asked how often he has to explain to parents the assumption he will leave one day soon leave for a higher-paying, Power Five job, Herman says, “Each day.”
The gold standard includes that indoor facility, preferably with a standard 100-yard field. Teams have to be able to practice unaffected by wind, rain and cold. (Never mind actual games are played in those conditions).
There is to be no scrimping on the weight room, either. Might as well start with Alabama's 17,000-square foot facility as the exemplar.
Perhaps the first, best impression made on recruits is the locker room. Consider engraving each player's name at each cubicle. It suggests class, permanence. Each one of the lockers in Kansas State's new facility is angled toward the center of the room -- better to take in the wisdom of legendary coach Bill Snyder. Players head to the field through a tunnel illuminated with what can only be described as disco lights.
A network not only brings in extra revenue, it pimps out a conference's riches. It's like a new Porsche. For the rich, you simply have to have one. Once again, the SEC and Big Ten are at the top of that list. The Pac-12's version has been largely a failure but that hasn't stopped the Big 12 from thinking seriously about a network.
In that space, the Big 12 is trying to imitate … itself. The conference is considering expansion (back to 12 teams) as well as a conference championship game. For the first 15 years of its existence, the Big 12 had both -- subsequently playing in five BCS title games and winning two.
Sports architects. They have become a cottage industry. Any AD worth his salary has a short list of who to turn to when upgrading the physical plant. If you don't think facilities matter in recruiting, Populous -- a worldwide architecture firm -- lays it out here.
***
The NCAA can't do a thing about the business model of an athletic department. It doesn't oversee coaching salaries. In that sense, over-the-top spending is more important than paying players under the table.
While those lower-resource schools get approximately 15 percent of the $7.2 billion from the College Football Playoff contract, they are content -- if not rich. The Power Five commissioners have vetted the deal against anti-trust concerns. If the Group of Five don't like it, well, there really is no alternative. Playing NCAA football in its highest division is enough to brand an entire university.
It impacts branding, fundraising, attendance, sometimes state appropriations. Ask the likes of Georgia Southern and Appalachian State. They gave up on-field success in the Football Championship Subdivision in recent years to chase low-level bowls in the Sun Belt.
It's not outrageous to suggest some of those schools are playing football just to earn enough to … play football...............
........Oregon remains the envy of modern college athletics -- a top program surrounded by top-notch facilities. It's hard to believe the Ducks used to be one of those outsiders, once speculated to drop out of the old Pac-10. Now, its Hatfield-Dowlin athletic complex is considered an industry standard with custom weight-room wood that neither burns nor floats. A 40-yard, laser-equipped track is one of the few of its kind in the world.
“We have relied heavily on innovation and culture,” Oregon AD Rob Mullens said.
The school's vision is also an answer to an unscientific equation: All those whistles and bells equal luring the best players.
“You know what makes football better? Better players,” Long said. “If the facilities attract better players, it makes the football better.”
And yet Mullens' department isn't in the top 20 nationally where it sometimes counts most for those in his position -- budget. The schools with the nation's top 20 budgets have an average stadium size of 85,000. Autzen Stadium seats 54,000.
Despite that limitation, Oregon has become a national program having been to four BCS bowls and a playoff since 2009. Marcus Mariota put a bow on it winning the 2014 Heisman.
Mullens has been able to hold the line the last three years on ticket increases. But for how long?
“We're the equivalent of a small-market professional franchise,” Mullens said.
No one is shedding tears for Oregon, but all that Nike money goes only so far. Phil Knight donated the land for Hatfield-Dowlin. There still has to be a way to pay for the lights to remain on.
“You still can't buy a championship,” former San Diego State AD Rick Bay said. “You can spend a lot of money. You can only hope you can get a return on your investment.”
FULL ARTICLE LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...widens-college-football-teams-become-copycats
FYI to add what is going on right now in CFB race to retaining excellence and winning NCS and compliments as well challenges what many said here with a Link to share and learn on the Lair:
Excerpts & Link:
Behold, then, a collective groupthink as to how to go about all athletic success. Behold the copycats …
The new/renovated stadium is at the top of the list. Texas A&M is one of those 42 schools to go all in since 2009. The school currently leads that category with a $500 million renovation of Kyle Field. “Our goal,” said Sam Torn, a former chairman of the 12th Man Foundation, “is when an opposing team walks out on that field, it's going to be so wild and so intense, literally somehow is going to wet their pants.”
Maybe that explains why coach Kevin Sumlin may be on the hot seat after winning “only” eight games in back-to-back seasons. Kyle Field -- the fifth-largest venue in the Western Hemisphere -- must stay full.
Salaries. They've gone up 500 percent since 1985, according to economist Roger Noll. Five college football coaches make at least the NFL average -- $4.5 million. You're nothing if you're not perceived to pay big time.
The highest-paid Group of Five coach is Houston's Tom Herman, now making $3 million per year. Each of the 30 coaches above him who earn more is from a Power Five league. When asked how often he has to explain to parents the assumption he will leave one day soon leave for a higher-paying, Power Five job, Herman says, “Each day.”
The gold standard includes that indoor facility, preferably with a standard 100-yard field. Teams have to be able to practice unaffected by wind, rain and cold. (Never mind actual games are played in those conditions).
There is to be no scrimping on the weight room, either. Might as well start with Alabama's 17,000-square foot facility as the exemplar.
Perhaps the first, best impression made on recruits is the locker room. Consider engraving each player's name at each cubicle. It suggests class, permanence. Each one of the lockers in Kansas State's new facility is angled toward the center of the room -- better to take in the wisdom of legendary coach Bill Snyder. Players head to the field through a tunnel illuminated with what can only be described as disco lights.
A network not only brings in extra revenue, it pimps out a conference's riches. It's like a new Porsche. For the rich, you simply have to have one. Once again, the SEC and Big Ten are at the top of that list. The Pac-12's version has been largely a failure but that hasn't stopped the Big 12 from thinking seriously about a network.
In that space, the Big 12 is trying to imitate … itself. The conference is considering expansion (back to 12 teams) as well as a conference championship game. For the first 15 years of its existence, the Big 12 had both -- subsequently playing in five BCS title games and winning two.
Sports architects. They have become a cottage industry. Any AD worth his salary has a short list of who to turn to when upgrading the physical plant. If you don't think facilities matter in recruiting, Populous -- a worldwide architecture firm -- lays it out here.
***
The NCAA can't do a thing about the business model of an athletic department. It doesn't oversee coaching salaries. In that sense, over-the-top spending is more important than paying players under the table.
While those lower-resource schools get approximately 15 percent of the $7.2 billion from the College Football Playoff contract, they are content -- if not rich. The Power Five commissioners have vetted the deal against anti-trust concerns. If the Group of Five don't like it, well, there really is no alternative. Playing NCAA football in its highest division is enough to brand an entire university.
It impacts branding, fundraising, attendance, sometimes state appropriations. Ask the likes of Georgia Southern and Appalachian State. They gave up on-field success in the Football Championship Subdivision in recent years to chase low-level bowls in the Sun Belt.
It's not outrageous to suggest some of those schools are playing football just to earn enough to … play football...............
........Oregon remains the envy of modern college athletics -- a top program surrounded by top-notch facilities. It's hard to believe the Ducks used to be one of those outsiders, once speculated to drop out of the old Pac-10. Now, its Hatfield-Dowlin athletic complex is considered an industry standard with custom weight-room wood that neither burns nor floats. A 40-yard, laser-equipped track is one of the few of its kind in the world.
“We have relied heavily on innovation and culture,” Oregon AD Rob Mullens said.
The school's vision is also an answer to an unscientific equation: All those whistles and bells equal luring the best players.
“You know what makes football better? Better players,” Long said. “If the facilities attract better players, it makes the football better.”
And yet Mullens' department isn't in the top 20 nationally where it sometimes counts most for those in his position -- budget. The schools with the nation's top 20 budgets have an average stadium size of 85,000. Autzen Stadium seats 54,000.
Despite that limitation, Oregon has become a national program having been to four BCS bowls and a playoff since 2009. Marcus Mariota put a bow on it winning the 2014 Heisman.
Mullens has been able to hold the line the last three years on ticket increases. But for how long?
“We're the equivalent of a small-market professional franchise,” Mullens said.
No one is shedding tears for Oregon, but all that Nike money goes only so far. Phil Knight donated the land for Hatfield-Dowlin. There still has to be a way to pay for the lights to remain on.
“You still can't buy a championship,” former San Diego State AD Rick Bay said. “You can spend a lot of money. You can only hope you can get a return on your investment.”
FULL ARTICLE LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...widens-college-football-teams-become-copycats
Which is part of the reason that if the ACC collapses in our lifetime, Pitt is in real trouble with their rented stadium. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina, V-Tech, Duke maybe NC State will all be absorbed by other conferences as they bring value. Pitt will be in the same boat as Syracuse, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville as schools begging to find a conference.
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