Could this end the NCAA?

[Sean Miller Fan]

Dept. of Education: Title IX applies to athlete pay

The direct payment plans that many major college athletic departments are making for athletes would violate Title IX law, according to a Department of Education memo.

www.espn.com

The Dept of Education ruled that Title IX applies to NIL payments that are paid directly from the school. Also, schools have to spend an equal amount of time promoting women's sports so that female athletes dont lose out on NIL opportunities.

The Trump administration could reverse this and there is talk that they may eliminate the Dept of Education altogether so if that happens would there even be a Title IX? Who would enforce it?

If this holds up, I think the P4 should breakaway and form a pro basketball and pro football league, paying the schools for the use of their names and facilities but not really affiliated with the schools

 

[Las Panteras]

Its only a matter of time before a non revenue athlete files suit, claiming unfair compensation, relative to football and hoops

 

[Upg bobcat]

I don't know if it's the end of NCAA, but is the House lawsuit settlement a done deal? If it isn't, I could see this ruling blowing that up. Then we are stuck with the current state of NIL which not many seem to like.

 

[NCPitt]

Dept. of Education: Title IX applies to athlete pay

The direct payment plans that many major college athletic departments are making for athletes would violate Title IX law, according to a Department of Education memo.

www.espn.com

The Dept of Education ruled that Title IX applies to NIL payments that are paid directly from the school. Also, schools have to spend an equal amount of time promoting women's sports so that female athletes dont lose out on NIL opportunities.

The Trump administration could reverse this and there is talk that they may eliminate the Dept of Education altogether so if that happens would there even be a Title IX? Who would enforce it?

If this holds up, I think the P4 should breakaway and form a pro basketball and pro football league, paying the schools for the use of their names and facilities but not really affiliated with the schools

This is completely unsurprising. Its almost like you still live in an era where women were subordinate to men.

Also, you completely misread the Trump position on women's sports and the Department of Education. But you be you.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This is completely unsurprising. Its almost like you still live in an era where women were subordinate to men.

Also, you completely misread the Trump position on women's sports and the Department of Education. But you be you.

Women do not generate the sports revenue that men do.

Also, I did not research the Trump administration's opinion on Title IX so if you want to link that, I'd appreciate it. My guess is they overturn this. If nothing else, the oligarchs understand business. These are payments for play, but in disguise. They realize that football and basketball players should be paid more than swimmers.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

If this holds up, I think the P4 should breakaway and form a pro basketball and pro football league, paying the schools for the use of their names and facilities but not really affiliated with the schools

This is going to happen regardless. The bigger question is how does this affect the NFL and how will they respond.

 

[BigChungus90210]

I'm not saying the Universities shouldn't care about women's sports and shouldn't try to promote them, but you can only do so much. Completely changing the public's perception and trying to overhaul interests is a losing battle, as is sinking money into something that won't be supported.

All this does is make a handful of people feel better about themselves in the short term, and in no way is feasible or realistic in the long haul.

 

[NCPitt]

Women do not generate the sports revenue that men do.

Also, I did not research the Trump administration's opinion on Title IX so if you want to link that, I'd appreciate it. My guess is they overturn this. If nothing else, the oligarchs understand business. These are payments for play, but in disguise. They realize that football and basketball players should be paid more than swimmers.

You're confused about the role of college athletics. Always have been.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Women do not generate the sports revenue that men do.

Also, I did not research the Trump administration's opinion on Title IX so if you want to link that, I'd appreciate it. My guess is they overturn this. If nothing else, the oligarchs understand business. These are payments for play, but in disguise. They realize that football and basketball players should be paid more than swimmers.

Your use of the word oligarch is cute. I’ve been using it for years on this board, and only now do you start using it. I wonder why??

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

You're confused about the role of college athletics. Always have been.

And that is???????

 

[HailtoPitt]

The better question this. When the schools do decide to break away, who will they cut out in that process? Do we really expect Ohio State and Texas to want Northwestern and Vanderbilt sharing the revenue equally?

 

[pittdan77]

If this holds up, I think the P4 should breakaway and form a pro basketball and pro football league, paying the schools for the use of their names and facilities but not really affiliated with the schools

Title IX is a law. Besides, the schools having a pro league would just cause the real pro leagues to put them out of business.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You're confused about the role of college athletics. Always have been.

Its not 1935. 60ish colleges have pro football and pro basketball teams. The 1935 vision of college atheltics has changed. Get over it. Football and basketball need to disassociate with their universities to avoid swimmers and softball players making equal pay....unless our oligarchy can fix it.

 

[BigChungus90210]

Its not 1935. 60ish colleges have pro football and pro basketball teams. The 1935 vision of college atheltics has changed. Get over it. Football and basketball need to disassociate with their universities to avoid swimmers and softball players making equal pay....unless our oligarchy can fix it.

The implication that the incoming administration is any more oligarchic than the previous one, or really any since the Gilded Age, is amusing.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The implication that the incoming administration is any more oligarchic than the previous one, or really any since the Gilded Age, is amusing.

You aren't paying attention.

Trump has appointed 13 billionaires. Biden: 0.

We have a true oligarchy now.

But there is good news for us college football fans. The oligarchs will see through this foolishness of paying quarterbacks and cross country runners the same.

 

[BigChungus90210]

You aren't paying attention.

Trump has appointed 13 billionaires. Biden: 0.

We have a true oligarchy now.

But there is good news for us college football fans. The oligarchs will see through this foolishness of paying quarterbacks and cross country runners the same.

I just don't see a fundamental difference in the Billionaires doing their bidding themselves vs appointing patsies to do it for them. The outcome is the same.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I just don't see a fundamental difference in the Billionaires doing their bidding themselves vs appointing patsies to do it for them. The outcome is the same.

Oh ok. Lol

 

[DruidTM]

The implication that the incoming administration is any more oligarchic than the previous one, or really any since the Gilded Age, is amusing.

Trump cabinet $ 340 Billion

Biden’s $118 Million

Trumps 2881 times more wealthy but sure tell us about Biden’s “oLiGaRGhy”….

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Trump cabinet $ 340 Billion

Biden’s $118 Million

Trumps 2881 times more wealthy but sure tell us about Biden’s “oLiGaRGhy”….

And that doesn't count King Elon.

 

[NCPitt]

Its not 1935. 60ish colleges have pro football and pro basketball teams. The 1935 vision of college atheltics has changed. Get over it. Football and basketball need to disassociate with their universities to avoid swimmers and softball players making equal pay....unless our oligarchy can fix it.

I’m not going to argue with you. It just makes me look like I’m abusing someone who is challenged.

You’ll learn in the end.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

This is extremely silly, but I'm sure it's just a means of appealing to constituents on the way out. Either that or it's akin to roughing up a foreclosed house just to make it a little more difficult for the next guy. But it won't stand, and it shouldn't. Frankly, it's so tiresome to see the concepts of equal opportunity and equal outcome conflated so often.

Of course the ultimate irony will be when it expedites the revenue sports' departure from the NCAA, which causes many of these Olympic sports to fold up shop.

 

[PittPharm2002]

This is going to happen regardless. The bigger question is how does this affect the NFL and how will they respond.

It doesn’t
Why would the NFL care at all ?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I’m not going to argue with you. It just makes me look like I’m abusing someone who is challenged.

You’ll learn in the end.

What will I learn? You are an old head who thinks nothing ever changes or evolves. At one time, decades ago, your view of what the college athletics should be was correct. Things have changed. Capitalism happened. Collegiate football and basketball became massive businesses. They are different than swimming. The NCAA can still accomplish its mission with swimming, water polo, fencing, and softball. Football and basketball have become pro sports and need to disassociate altogether.

Private investors should buy these programs and the use of their names and logos from the universities and run them as Under 23 pro leagues. Take classes, dont take classes, doesnt matter. It would be fully professional. There are 2 universities in Mexico who did this for their soccer teams. It can happen

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This is extremely silly, but I'm sure it's just a means of appealing to constituents on the way out. Either that or it's akin to roughing up a foreclosed house just to make it a little more difficult for the next guy. But it won't stand, and it shouldn't.

Exaclty right. Purely political play. They want to seem like the good guys when the oligarchs do the right thing and rule that you get paid what you are worth. This is thr same as Biden punting the US Steel deal to Trump. There's no perfect answer there so whatever Trump chooses, Dems will hit Vance with either:

"He sold our national security out to Japan" or "his refusal to help US Steel decimated the steel industry in WPA." Its all about those negative commercials, you know.

 

[AllegeneeGenacGenac]

It just ensures that football and men's basketball players won't be paid market rate by the schools themselves, which leaves the door open for all of the NIL alliances and associated shenanigans to continue.

I wish they would just hurry up and reach the end state (which will most likely be players as employees and whatever schools are left playing major college football agreeing to collective bargaining and a salary cap of some sort like the professional league it is) instead of continuing to watch a slow motion train wreck where my school is merely a passenger.

If this is actually enforced and there's any limits on NIL payments, expect some prominent men's athlete to sue someone (probably their current or former school) for restricting their earnings potential. And they'll win easily at some level of the judicial process, most importantly the final one.

 

[cashisking884]

The NCAA is already over. It’s like the NWA (national wrestling alliance) in 1993. It exists in name only.

The DB from Wisconsin just announced he is enrolling at Miami.

He never entered the transfer portal, which is against NCAA rules.

Wisconsin never entered him into the transfer portal despite the NCAA rule stating a school must within 48 hours of giving notice.

The rumor was because he signed a deal with a Wisconsin collective, Wisconsin looked at itself as being the beneficiary of the deal, and so had a right to enforce it. Which is against NCAA rules.

Both sides just didn’t care about any NCAA rule, because it doesn’t exist anymore.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

DOJ just released an 11 page statement. Cant read it yet. Seeing tweets saying they are asking Wilken to not approve the salary cap part of the House deal. As DOJ is supposed to be non-partisan, from the tiny bit of info I've seen, this comes across as a pro-right move but its hard to say.