Paterno took one for the team since it was beyond him to be raked through the mud. The culture there is pure filth but untouchable since they are a $$$ machine. Pathetic
Dakich on Huggins
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People forget JF was untouchable as deemed by USC when PSU hired him due to his involvement in an ongoing rape case at Vandy. Another POS
But yet some on here will defend JF. Certain teams/coaches are untouchable and others like Pitt have to tow the line. It's not an even playing field.
A big fear of mine is Mazulla to WVU. Guaranteed he goes there.
Yeah but going from D2 head coach to head coach of the Boston Celtics in 2 years is actually bad. Here’s TD6082’s column:
The needing HM experience stuff is hogwash. Especially when you have NIL. Arizona hired an assistant from the WCC and instantly was better than under Sean Miller. If you can coach, you can coach.
I never said going to a D2 HC to HC of the Celtics in 2 years was bad. Obviously it's great for Mazzulla. But lets not act like Boston did some exhaustive coaching search and deemed Mazzulla the best man for the job. He was passed over when Udoka was hired, and the job basically fell into his lap a few days before training camp opened, thanks to Ime's suspension & subsequent firing. They waited until mid-February to take the interim tag off, and I'm not sure we even know the terms of his contract.
It terms of leadership & game management, he's really struggled. It took him until game 6 in the Philly series before he finally got the starting lineup right.
And you are suggesting that WVU would want him if he flames out in a short amount of time with a stacked roster. Why would they want him if he fails in Boston. And if he grows into the position and has success, why would he leave for WVU? It just seems like a lazy suggestion because of his ties to WVU? Also how do you know Huggins is hanging it up after next year?
And yes, experience matters. Tommy Lloyd only spent 20 years as an assistant at one of the premier programs in college basketball. Does Mazzulla have ANY major college experience? And fwiw, Miller took Zona to the Elite 8 in his second year.
Hey, we don't even know if Huggins will be alive much longer. He's not young and he's terribly out-of-shape, fat, and I'm sure his cholesterol and triglycerides are through the roof. He's a heart attack waiting to happen. If he's alive much more than a couple of years longer, it will be a gift to him. Next stop for Huggins: TV on the My Life as a 600 lb. Man.
No, Paterno would not have been charged. Frank Fina, PA's former chief deputy attorney general said he did not find any evidence to suggest Paterno was an active participant in any alleged cover-up. And we went on to say that he was viewing that assertion strictly on the evidence.
Also, Paterno is full of shit with his statement that he knew what all of his players were doing at all times. That's not humanly possible. I know people lap that shit up, but that whole holier-than-thou was always a facade and it's utterly insane that perception was taken seriously. I don't think anyone can say definitively what Paterno knew or didn't know. Anyone that says they do is full of shit.
And no, James Franklin was not involved in any type of cover-up at Vandy. He was on vacation in Florida when that whole ordeal went down. Suspicious activity on security cameras led campus security to investigate further and they alerted Metro Police. When Franklin returned from Florida, he was given strict orders to stay out of it, which he did.
Here is an example of a coach actually involved in actual obstruction/cover-up. (a grotesque successful cover-up, fwiw) ...An underage special needs girl was allegedly raped by a player at a major program. When word gets out that she is going to report it, the players alert the head coach. The HC responds by scheduling a quick meeting with the special needs girl, and her single mother (limited means and not very educated) The coach brings HIS lawyer, while the other party has no representation and they hammer out a written statement that says the girl was not raped or in any way sexually abused. (regardless if she was or wasn't) ...I'd call that an active cover up. And yes, that actually happened and received little or no attention from the media or anyone in the NCAA, despite the coach being called out by local law enforcement.
The only way that Paterno wasn't getting charge would be because he was Joe Paterno. The notion that he had no idea what was going on, given what the emails that have been released to the public say, is nuts.
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
Yet you think that he didn't know a thing.
Unless you think that the Joe they were talking about was me it's obvious that he not only knew, he was the one who in the end persuaded the other stooges to NOT contact the proper authorities, which was their original plan.
Of course he knew there were allegations. (important to note that they were only allegations at this point) That doesn't mean he knew there was actual abuse. I would think anyone in his shoes would be skeptical, given the way he received the complaint, and given the fact a district attorney didn't press charges against Sandusky after investigating previous allegations/complaints.
That isn't his job to determine if there was or wasn't. He reported the allegations to his superiors. Once he did that, only holding the position of Head football coach, with no official supervisory position over Sandusky, as he was not working under Paterno in 2001, he pretty much did enough that would clear him of any criminal wrongdoing. It's not like he was employed in an administrative position.
What would you charge him with?
From a legal perspective, It's irrelevant what he persuaded others to do. That's on them for allowing themselves to be persuaded. Joe Paterno wasn't the boss. He doesn't get to make that determination.
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Plz go to the st penn board. It's obvious your a kool aid sipping nitter.
Paturdo even said himself he should've done more....no shit Joe
Yeah... That doesn't hold water. It certainly wouldn't in a court of law. Just because his superiors bow and kiss the ring (so to speak) the chain of command is what it is. The board of trustees (as a whole obviously) had no issue at all with cutting him loose when he was deemed a liability.
And he should have.
That doesn't mean he should have been criminally charged. Like I said, from strictly a legal perspective, he pretty much did the minimum necessary to avoid prosecution when notified his superiors. He isn't legally required to follow up on jack shit.
He wasn't skeptical, because he KNEW that ol' Jer had been molesting kids for years.
I can't believe how willingly oblivious someone has to be at this point to think that Paterno had no idea what so ever what Sandusky was doing.
If you're so certain he knew, then do tell how he knew, and how he found out?
Did ol' Jer tell him, or talk about it? Did the kids talk about it? Why weren't investigators able to find sufficient evidence to bring charges years earlier?
Did anyone else besides Joe know? If Joe knew, surely the case workers and counselors at Second Mile would know wouldn't they?
Im just curious as to how you are so certain Joe knew. Most sexual predators, at least the ones that have the slightest bit of intelligence, and especially those that prey on children, go to great lengths to keep anyone from knowing.
You act like this was the first time Paterno tried to cover up a rapist. Does Todd Hodne ring a bell?
I have no idea how he found out. But he most certainly did. Decades (yeah, plural) before you or I knew anything other than the rumors that had been floating around about him for years.
Like I said, to believe what you do you have to be completely willingly oblivious. Most people would consider that something of an insult. You, for whatever reason, wear it as a badge of honor.
Your a very lukewarm Pitt fan at best. Now go shower with Jerry.
Strong armed the local media into obedience? They are the ones who were calling for a quick response. WVU had to decide fast because nothing good would have come from this sort of thing lingering. Look, it was a ridiculously ignorant thing to say but is anyone allowed to make a mistake anymore without losing their job, career and expecting their throats to be cut? If he'd said it in an anger filled rant out of hatred he would not have survived that. But he said it in a joke from a cold call in the morning. Not excusing what he said but there's a big difference in saying something within a joke versus anger. That and the fact that the majority of the vitriol is coming from non-gays calling for his head instead of asking thought provoking questions like, yes he can be a fire-able offense but does it have to be?
It's been said by several people that Mazzulla has no ambition to coach in college.
Your second paragraph is just a stupid statement.
Again, you have no idea how he found out. I'm sure you are aware that secondhand hearsay is not any sort of definitive knowledge. And obviously, you can't offer anything of any substance that proves he knew. All you are doing is giving a lazy response of insulting anyone that holds the opinion that Joe may not have ever been 100% convinced that Jerry was a pedophile. And for the record, I'm not saying Joe didn't know, or shouldn't have known. I'm just saying that it's impossible to say with any certainty that he did know. (fwiw, hearing credible accusations isn't the same as knowing - HUGE difference)
And I'm not trying to tell anyone how to think. That's fine whether you believe he did or didn't know. You can believe Joe & Jerry took turns with their victims for all I care. I just take issue with anyone that says they KNOW with any certainty. It's rarely that simple in cases like
Yes, there were rumors. There was also a popular perception that ol' Jer was just a great guy that wanted to help troubled and at-risk youth get their lives turned around. And I'm sure that before 2011, you could have found many former program participants Second Mile to go on record as saying Jerry's contributions did just that, without any knowledge of any sort of abuse. And based on the number of celebrities that were on The Second Mile honorary board, and amount of corporate donations TSM raked in, it doesn't seem like those rumors were taken very seriously. There were rumors surrounding Michael Jackson too.
He's also shown no ambition to coach in the NBA, even though he currently holds the position of Head Coach for a title contending team.
It only took him until Game 6 in this last series to get his starting lineup right.
I'm not aware of any type of cover up in that case. (or cases) That guy had A LOT going on. And that's an understatement.
What are the different levels of Pitt fandom? And who defines them?
Do I have to hate every rival player and coach? Am I allowed to like some of them? If so which ones?
With regard to Huggins, he's proven to be a damn good coach. What he said was dumb as hell. That said, he was asked a question that involved a Catholic school and rubber dildos, and he did not back down or evade the question. While incredibly stupid for someone in his position to touch that one in 2023, he did exactly that, and that's a big part of why he's popular. Hopefully, he puts a little more thought and restraint into his answer next time if the topic of conversation ever revolves around dildos again.
It's all about the identity politics, socialist model of the left and virtue signaling by those who aren't part of the identity subsection. It's gotten way out of hand and has to stop.
But it was certainly a very dumb thing to say for anyone, especially in a public forum. Huggins isn't known for being too smart, though. He'll be gone soon, and it won't be because of this.
And he was drunk. Not that it makes what he said ok, but he wouldn't have said that sober. Great representative of a shithole state
You prove over and over again to come to the defense of these 2 Pitt rival schools. Huggins should've been fired and st penn the death penalty. Case closed
Not really. I think it's more of a hindsight thing in that he wished he had followed up on it instead of just report it to his superiors, then washing his hands of the whole ordeal.
Shitty & cold of him, but not criminally liable in any way.
If the glove doesn’t fit, then you must acquit. Thank you for your input Johnny Cochran.
PoopPants was criminally liable because he knew about it for decades and was at the very least encouraging it. You'd have to have your head in the sand and be a completely brainwashed member of the child rape cult in Creepy Valley to believe otherwise.
Believe me, I can understand why someone who is so willfully oblivious would think that way.
Of course he isnt criminally liable because he reported it to a supervisor. He did the absolute bare minimum. But we both know Paterno only had a supervisor in name only. It was HIS university. He ran it. And kids were being raped under his watch and all he did was check a box and forget about it
If you know so much about it, tell how he knew. Did he see a kid getting abused? Did a kid tell Joe that Jerry was abusing him? Did Jerry tell him?
Those are the only ways he could possibly know for sure.
Who else knew? Anybody from The Second Mile? Anybody that worked at the Second Mile? Any case workers, etc? Anybody from Jerry's family?
How do you know he was drunk? It wouldn't surprise me from what I've heard of his habits but you don't know that to be stating something as fact in public. And a "shithole state?"
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