Dixon and Robinson

[Monroevillefan]

I find it hard to understand the relationship between Dixon and Robinson. For the past four years it seems like Dixon will not pull Robinson from the game regardless of how,he is playing. Why? Is it because he doesn't think he has any other options. Is Robinson playing the kind of game, slow half court, he wants.

I think Wilson is playing well enough to warrant him substituting for Robinson when he is struggling. Yes he is a different type of guard and he doesn't have the experience of Robinson but not sitting down Robinson when he is playing badly is a disservice to the team.

Robinson is not the only problem on the team. I get that. But at times he is the problem like against Miami.
When he was shooting early in the game he only did so out of duress. Miami knew it. You have to take him out for at least a little while until he composes himself.

Robinson would be a great guard playing with great players where he willing would give up,the ball. Unfortunately Pitt does not meet that definition and your guards have to be a threat to score. If he refuses to,shoot except when the clock is running out then you have to substitute for him.
Why he gets a pass from Dixon is a mystery to me.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

Dixon should basically tell JRob AND Smith, shoot at least twice before the first TV timeout. If they don't, bench them for awhile.
Even if they are missing shots, it pulls the defense out to defend them.
(of course if they are bricks, you can pull them too lol)

 

[Monroevillefan]

I think an interesting question would be if Wilson was clearly better than Robinson would Dixon start him or would he stick with his senior.

 

[JD1976]

Robinson has his limitations, but can you all remember back in the CBI year when Woodall (a marginal PG to begin with) was injured and there was no PG who could quarterback the offense? It was a disaster and Pitt started 0-7 in the Big East. I wish Robinson scored 15 ppg and was quicker on the break, but sending him to the bench is not an answer.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Missing on Newkirk has really hurt.

JD does not recruit a lot of guards, and there was no room for error there.

Newkirk was supposed to be the guy who gave JRob a blow, and also play with him a lot and take some pressure off of him like that, too.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

Did we really miss on Newkirk?
-he played but was banged up, then transferred to Indiana...

And if not for the Milligan leave of absence, then RS, I'M SURE he would be playing significant minutes at the point.

Wilson is physically and instinctively better than JRob, but he is just starting to learn how to play as a team member, and run the offense. The passing/running the point isn't enough of a drop-off to not give him at least 1/3 of the mins though...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Missing on Newkirk has really hurt.

JD does not recruit a lot of guards, and there was no room for error there.

Newkirk was supposed to be the guy who gave JRob a blow, and also play with him a lot and take some pressure off of him like that, too.

Don't forget we only recruited Robinson because we missed on Epps. He wasnt D1 caliber (evidenced by the fact he had no offers after JUCOing) so we were in desperate need and got a highly ranked one in Robinson. Had Epps been good, we never would have recruited Robinson.

 

[Scruffy the Panther]

Did we really miss on Newkirk?
-he played but was banged up, then transferred to Indiana...

And if not for the Milligan leave of absence, then RS, I'M SURE he would be playing significant minutes at the point.

Wilson is physically and instinctively better than JRob, but he is just starting to learn how to play as a team member, and run the offense. The passing/running the point isn't enough of a drop-off to not give him at least 1/3 of the mins though...

I think he meant missed as in he wasn't that good.

 

[JS School]

Wilson is physically and instinctively better than JRob, but he is just starting to learn how to play as a team member, and run the offense. The passing/running the point isn't enough of a drop-off to not give him at least 1/3 of the mins though...

If Wilson gets 20 minutes a game, it would be better if he got the majority of those minutes at SG rather than at PG. Robinson is a better PG than Smith and Jones are SGs.

I think starting Wilson at SG or have him playing there a lot in the first half is a little risky, though. If both he and Robinson got into early foul trouble that would be a real problem. There are no other ball handlers.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Don't forget we only recruited Robinson because we missed on Epps. He wasnt D1 caliber (evidenced by the fact he had no offers after JUCOing) so we were in desperate need and got a highly ranked one in Robinson. Had Epps been good, we never would have recruited Robinson.

JD just has recruited guards for spit for a long time ...

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Yes...Dixon won't pull James, except for all of the times he does pull him for playing poorly.

 

[Wednesday Morning]

James would be fine if we he ever played with a good shooting guard. For the most part, he's had to play with marginal shooting guards at best. This year is no different as Sterling Smith is probably the slowest shooting guard I ever seen for Pitt outside of Ronald Ramon and Yuri Demitrus. JRob has been streaky at best as a shooter his whole career, but he is a very good finisher at the rim, especially through contact...in those few times he can get to the rim.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

I like Aaron Rodgers chances of completing a hail mary, more than i like JRob going into the paint against anyone taller than 6'7.

As for JRob being "fine" if he had an SG.... I'm sure Mike Young would be "fine" if he had a 7 ft center who could post up and rebound too.... unfortunately that ain't the case, u'd think after 4 years JRob would have learned to....play and shoot without a solid SG... but no.

 

[Jim Z]

I find it hard to understand the relationship between Dixon and Robinson. For the past four years it seems like Dixon will not pull Robinson from the game regardless of how,he is playing. Why? Is it because he doesn't think he has any other options. Is Robinson playing the kind of game, slow half court, he wants.

I think Wilson is playing well enough to warrant him substituting for Robinson when he is struggling. Yes he is a different type of guard and he doesn't have the experience of Robinson but not sitting down Robinson when he is playing badly is a disservice to the team.

Robinson is not the only problem on the team. I get that. But at times he is the problem like against Miami.
When he was shooting early in the game he only did so out of duress. Miami knew it. You have to take him out for at least a little while until he composes himself.

Robinson would be a great guard playing with great players where he willing would give up,the ball. Unfortunately Pitt does not meet that definition and your guards have to be a threat to score. If he refuses to,shoot except when the clock is running out then you have to substitute for him.
Why he gets a pass from Dixon is a mystery to me.

Because he plays exactly the way Dixon prefers. Its not the kids fault it's Dixon and his style. And it's the style that effects recruiting because top talent doesn't want to play it!

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I like Aaron Rodgers chances of completing a hail mary, more than i like JRob going into the paint against anyone taller than 6'7.

As for JRob being "fine" if he had an SG.... I'm sure Mike Young would be "fine" if he had a 7 ft center who could post up and rebound too.... unfortunately that ain't the case, u'd think after 4 years JRob would have learned to....play and shoot without a solid SG... but no.

Everyone has a skill set ,he'd only be good if he hit a golf ball 50yds further , if could hang on to ball he'd be a great receiver , if his fastball was 95 instead of 89 etc.. he is what he is ,he's probably shot more jumpers in the last four years than you could count and quess what ? HES NOT A GREAT OR EVEN GOOD SHOOTER BUT HES THE BEST PITT HAS At THE POINT AND THATS WHY HE PLAYS!

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

by the numbers: Robinson is equal to or is the worst PG we've started since the resurgance:

Knight: 11.3 points 3.9 rebounds 6.2 assists
Krauser: 13 points 4.2 rebounds 4.5 assists
Fields: 9.5 points 3 rebounds 4.9 assists
Woodall: 8 points 2.4 rebounds 4.2 assists
JRob: 7.9 points 2.9 rebounds 4.4 assists
-yea Tray kinds sucked too

 

[Joe Magarac]

Everyone has a skill set ,he'd only be good if he hit a golf ball 50yds further , if could hang on to ball he'd be a great receiver , if his fastball was 95 instead of 89 etc.. he is what he is ,he's probably shot more jumpers in the last four years than you could count and quess what ? HES NOT A GREAT OR EVEN GOOD SHOOTER BUT HES THE BEST PITT HAS At THE POINT AND THATS WHY HE PLAYS!

Who's fault is that ?

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

Everyone has a skill set ,he'd only be good if he hit a golf ball 50yds further , if could hang on to ball he'd be a great receiver , if his fastball was 95 instead of 89 etc.. he is what he is ,he's probably shot more jumpers in the last four years than you could count and quess what ? HES NOT A GREAT OR EVEN GOOD SHOOTER BUT HES THE BEST PITT HAS At THE POINT AND THATS WHY HE PLAYS!

So your belief is that if Wilson got the same minutes as Robinson at the point, he wouldn't score more than JRob?

 

[KiwiJeff]

Who's fault is that ?

Freds.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Who's fault is that ?

Answer: top 50 kid starter as a freshman and

Freds.

after his freshman year not many kids are coming in to sit on the bench for 3 yrs. Who knew he wasn't going to get better. Then when Newkirk didn't work they had no one.

So your belief is that if Wilson got the same minutes as Robinson at the point, he wouldn't score more than JRob?

He might score more but there'd be a lot more turnovers. At this point in the season he'd be playing more if it would help the team . And I have nothing to do with it!

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

We have been turning the ball over way more than normal anyway- might as well get some scoring out of it on our end.

Dixon will play a senior over a freshman if they have comparable talent, that isn't debatable.

My god, he played seniors in the CBI tournament, while he had freshman riding the pine...who he then had to start the following year.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

You earn playing time. No good coach plays favorites he plays the guys he can win with.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

What D1/D2/D3 NAIA sport did you play, where favoritism never showed itself?
-or if you were a manager, student assistant, been in a locker room on the regular....i'd accept that as first hand knowledge too.

Otherwise... I've got news for you.

 

[Franb]

We have been turning the ball over way more than normal anyway- might as well get some scoring out of it on our end.

Dixon will play a senior over a freshman if they have comparable talent, that isn't debatable.

My god, he played seniors in the CBI tournament, while he had freshman riding the pine...who he then had to start the following year.

He did not play seniors in the CBI: Aston Gibbs sat on the bench the entire tournament, if my memory is correct

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

by the numbers: Robinson is equal to or is the worst PG we've started since the resurgance:

Knight: 11.3 points 3.9 rebounds 6.2 assists
Krauser: 13 points 4.2 rebounds 4.5 assists
Fields: 9.5 points 3 rebounds 4.9 assists
Woodall: 8 points 2.4 rebounds 4.2 assists
JRob: 7.9 points 2.9 rebounds 4.4 assists
-yea Tray kinds sucked too

What numbers are those, career averages?
Not for nothing but James so far this year is 9.3 PPG, 2.7 RPG, and 5.3 APG

We'd all like for james to have closer to 12 PPG..but, so far...he hasn't taken a big jump up in scoring production.

 

[PittPoker]

You earn playing time. No good coach plays favorites he plays the guys he can win with.

Why not play Wilson at this point. We are losing anyways with Robinson so what do we have to lose?

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

Those are career averages.
i guess if i had even more time on my hands today i could break that down "per min"
-since most of those guys weren't starters in the earlier parts of their career, unlike JRob.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

What D1/D2/D3 NAIA sport did you play, where favoritism never showed itself?
-or if you were a manager, student assistant, been in a locker room on the regular....i'd accept that as first hand knowledge too.

Otherwise... I've got news for you.

A coach might feel he has a better chance to win with a particular player and you might disagree but their jobs on the line yours isn't .
Played a lot of competive golf ( some team ) the best guys always played if you wanted to win.
So then you must feel JD would play JRob over a better option and diminish his chances of winning and getting a bid to the tourney because he likes JRob better. This pickup in the alley. No way .thats the news I got for you!

 

[PittPoker]

What numbers are those, career averages?
Not for nothing but James so far this year is 9.3 PPG, 2.7 RPG, and 5.3 APG

We'd all like for james to have closer to 12 PPG..but, so far...he hasn't taken a big jump up in scoring production.

Please, most of those are from the cupcakes in the ooc schedule. Against real competition more often than not James folds like a cheap tent. Those two 3's he made were a modern miracle and before that he stunk so bad Elmore was criticizing him(nicest guy in broadcasting). Give me a break.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

He did not play seniors in the CBI: Aston Gibbs sat on the bench the entire tournament, if my memory is correct

Gibbs didn't play in the final Home n Home thing with WAZZU because of an ankle injury; but the seniors definitely played in that pay to play mess.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

A coach might feel he has a better chance to win with a particular player and you might disagree but their jobs on the line yours isn't .
Played a lot of competive golf ( some team ) the best guys always played if you wanted to win.
So then you must feel JD would play JRob over a better option and diminish his chances of winning and getting a bid to the tourney because he likes JRob better. This pickup in the alley. No way .thats the news I got for you!

i believe that dixon believes JRob is his best option- and i think that the majority of us posting disagree with dixon.

and in 294,343 threads we've also mostly agreed, Dixon is not coaching for his job this year.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

What D1/D2/D3 NAIA sport did you play, where favoritism never showed itself?
-or if you were a manager, student assistant, been in a locker room on the regular....i'd accept that as first hand knowledge too.

Otherwise... I've got news for you.

I always liked JJ Moore over Lamar, guess what I was wrong the coach sees these guys everyday in practice and on film . They know better and if they don't last their not long for their profession

 

[PittPoker]

I always liked JJ Moore over Lamar, guess what I was wrong the coach sees these guys everyday in practice and on film . They know better and if they don't last their not long for their profession

Nice, 1 example.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Nice, 1 example.

Tell me another player that you thought was not receiving the proper pt ( too much or too little and who should have received the minutes ) . I really can't think of another

 

[33pitt99]

Tell me another player that you thought was not receiving the proper pt ( too much or too little and who should have received the minutes ) . I really can't think of another

Just a couple off the top of my head, at least according to this board:
Levon Kendall over Sam Young - Levon was the favorite and Sam was supposedly going to transfer because of the unfair treatment
Lamar Patterson over JJ Moore - JJ was such a great athlete, right? At least according to the experts on here.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Those are career averages.
i guess if i had even more time on my hands today i could break that down "per min"
-since most of those guys weren't starters in the earlier parts of their career, unlike JRob.

I think junior and senior years are good enough Since that's more relevant.

But, you're picking nits... When in actuality, the stats aren't significantly different in truth.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Just a couple off the top of my head, at least according to this board:
Levon Kendall over Sam Young - Levon was the favorite and Sam was supposedly going to transfer because of the unfair treatment
Lamar Patterson over JJ Moore - JJ was such a great athlete, right? At least according to the experts on here.

Levon played better with Aaron than Sam did, in truth.
But Sam got plenty of minutes.

Lamar and jj were in the same class, right? Oh, and Lamar was a significantly better basketball player than Moore.
Not even close.

 

[cabe23]

Yes...Dixon won't pull James, except for all of the times he does pull him for playing poorly.

Yeah exactly. He didn't play for the last 10 minutes of the Virginia game.

 

[Delpanther]

Yes...Dixon won't pull James, except for all of the times he does pull him for playing poorly.

You can count those times in three and a half years on one hand.

 

[33pitt99]

Levon played better with Aaron than Sam did, in truth.
But Sam got plenty of minutes.

Lamar and jj were in the same class, right? Oh, and Lamar was a significantly better basketball player than Moore.
Not even close.

I was just providing fsgolf with some examples of when people complained that one player was receiving undeserved minutes at the expense of a "better" player (at least according to the experts on this board). The Lamar over JJ discussions were classic, but as it turned out Jamie actually must have known something. For some on here, that is not a possibility I guess.