ESPN just projected us to the Military, or get this...

[JoeScaz]

The freaking Quicklane Bowl v 5-7 Minnesota...

If either of these happen, what a complete, and utter crime. For us to drop OUT of the Tier 1 and to the lower Tier 2..... after for all intents and purposes, finishing TIED for 4th in the ACC.. it speaks of nothing but the idiocy of these bowl tie-ins to begin with..... Duke jumping us for the Pinstripe with a TINY fan base will take the cake with me..

Pandering to the Beamer going away party, Duke (football) alumni in NYC myth, Louisville traveling to the Music City, jumping us....

I am getting sick about it, and probably need bed.

 

[UPitt '89]

Sounds like Barnes was actively pushing for this, which is a colossal mistake on his part.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The freaking Quicklane Bowl v 5-7 Minnesota...

If either of these happen, what a complete, and utter crime. For us to drop OUT of the Tier 1 and to the lower Tier 2..... after for all intents and purposes, finishing TIED for 4th in the ACC.. it speaks of nothing but the idiocy of these bowl tie-ins to begin with..... Duke jumping us for the Pinstripe with a TINY fan base will take the cake with me..

Pandering to the Beamer going away party, Duke (football) alumni in NYC myth, Louisville traveling to the Music City, jumping us....

I am getting sick about it, and probably need bed.

I would call that the Quick Sand Bowl!

 

[Panthertag]

We should have beaten crappy Miami bowl...

 

[mehinpgh]

The freaking Quicklane Bowl v 5-7 Minnesota...

If either of these happen, what a complete, and utter crime. For us to drop OUT of the Tier 1 and to the lower Tier 2..... after for all intents and purposes, finishing TIED for 4th in the ACC.. it speaks of nothing but the idiocy of these bowl tie-ins to begin with..... Duke jumping us for the Pinstripe with a TINY fan base will take the cake with me..

Pandering to the Beamer going away party, Duke (football) alumni in NYC myth, Louisville traveling to the Music City, jumping us....

I am getting sick about it, and probably need bed.

I about fell over when I read this too. 8-4 and possibly going to Detroit...how horrible. Just shows we should have won that Miami game. We just didn't show up in the first half. Narduzzi will learn and never let his teams sleep walk in the first half again.

 

[whirlybird optio]

I about fell over when I read this too. 8-4 and possibly going to Detroit...how horrible. Just shows we should have won that Miami game. We just didn't show up in the first half. Narduzzi will learn and never let his teams sleep walk in the first half again.

Why would 9-3 have mattered? The ACC can place teams wherever they want. Wouldn't we be in the exact same position? We arent getting snubbed due to our record.

Bottom line, unless we make the playoff, we are going to bad bowls, every year. Unless this fanbase realizes it is the problem, and not the product on the field.

 

[whirlybird optio]

We should have beaten crappy Miami bowl...

Do you really think 9-3 would have gotten us into a better bowl? I don't. The Miami game was meaningless. Unless you think 20k pitt fans would have bought tickets with one extra win in the regular season.

 

[Delpanther]

We can knock the BiG all we want but one thing they have over the ACC are their bowl hook ups. The simple fact is that the ACC hook ups are bad which normally translates into playing at an unattractive venue or playing against a team from another power 5 conference with a worse record. The ACC has to improve its FB position among the power 5 conferences which is why it is important that teams like Pitt and Syracuse return toFB prominence. Rome wasn't built in a day......until then there's going to be some pain. Having said that, please not Detroit and please not DC.

 

[Piranha]

Detroit is the absolute worst pick of all. Complete slap in the face. It should be NYC or Sun, and if we are going to drop down then Military.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The freaking Quicklane Bowl v 5-7 Minnesota...

If either of these happen, what a complete, and utter crime. For us to drop OUT of the Tier 1 and to the lower Tier 2..... after for all intents and purposes, finishing TIED for 4th in the ACC.. it speaks of nothing but the idiocy of these bowl tie-ins to begin with..... Duke jumping us for the Pinstripe with a TINY fan base will take the cake with me..

Pandering to the Beamer going away party, Duke (football) alumni in NYC myth, Louisville traveling to the Music City, jumping us....

I am getting sick about it, and probably need bed.

It's almost like our lack of fan Support is a detriment or something!

 

[whirlybird optio]

We can knock the BiG all we want but one thing they have over the ACC are their bowl hook ups. The simple fact is that the ACC hook ups are bad which normally translates into playing at an unattractive venue or playing against a team from another power 5 conference with a worse record. The ACC has to improve its FB position among the power 5 conferences which is why it is important that teams like Pitt and Syracuse return toFB prominence. Rome wasn't built in a day......until then there's going to be some pain. Having said that, please not Detroit and please not DC.

What leverage does the ACC have? A lot of the ACC are schools that simply do not travel. Pitt, BC, Duke, Miami, Wake, UNC... Pitt could go 11-1 the next three years and it won't matter unless all of a sudden we find 20k pitt fans ready to travel to bowls.

Outside of FSU, Clemson, LVille, NC State, who are the schools in the ACC that the bowls are dying to get?

 

[Dan from Howell]

The Motor City Bowl? You deserve better than that. That bowl was historically a prize.....for a MAC team.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

We can knock the BiG all we want but one thing they have over the ACC are their bowl hook ups. The simple fact is that the ACC hook ups are bad which normally translates into playing at an unattractive venue or playing against a team from another power 5 conference with a worse record. The ACC has to improve its FB position among the power 5 conferences which is why it is important that teams like Pitt and Syracuse return toFB prominence. Rome wasn't built in a day......until then there's going to be some pain. Having said that, please not Detroit and please not DC.

Large fanbases who travel help

 

[whirlybird optio]

Detroit is the absolute worst pick of all. Complete slap in the face. It should be NYC or Sun, and if we are going to drop down then Military.

I agree. If we have to drop down go to Annapolis and play a good Navy team. A game in Detroit with a sub-.500 opponent should be off the table. I still think Barnes is making a mistake by agreeing to go tier 2

 

[Delpanther]

What leverage does the ACC have? A lot of the ACC are schools that simply do not travel. Pitt, BC, Duke, Miami, Wake, UNC... Pitt could go 11-1 the next three years and it won't matter unless all of a sudden we find 20k pitt fans ready to travel to bowls.

Outside of FSU, Clemson, LVille, NC State, who are the schools in the ACC that the bowls are dying to get?

While the capability to sell tickets will always be important, the importance of this factor is magnified by the perception that the conference generally is weak on the FB side. That's why it's so important that Pittwin the OOC games, which it has rarely done, against other power cionference teams like Iowa, Ok st. And PSU. You can compensate to a degree for selling fewer tickets if you have a reputation of being a good FB team. At the moment, we have none of the key factors working for us.

 

[Delpanther]

Large fanbases who travel help

Immensely, these games other than the big bowls are just carnivals.!

 

[PittPoker]

Look at it this way, if Narduzzi does what I think he'll do (get 4 and 5 star recruits in here much more than his predecessors, build a winning culture)then within 2 more years we will be 11-1 or 10-2 and going to a top bowl.

We've suffered for the most part as fans for 30+ years, another couple of crap bowls won't kill us.

 

[whirlybird optio]

While the capability to sell tickets will always be important, the importance of this factor is magnified by the perception that the conference generally is weak on the FB side. That's why it's so important that Pittwin the OOC games, which it has rarely done, against other power cionference teams like Iowa, Ok st. And PSU. You can compensate to a degree for selling fewer tickets if you have a reputation of being a good FB team. At the moment, we have none of the key factors working for us.

I'm not sure how much I agree with that. Didn't the ACC just go like 4-1 vs the SEC in rivalry week. We will have playoff teams two years in a row.

Do you really think the citrus bowl is going to be like, wow, we love how the Sec and a Big 10 team bring like 30k fans each, but screw that, Pitt and Cuse are winning Out of conference games, let's sign the ACC to s long term deal.

Really?

 

[whirlybird optio]

Look at it this way, if Narduzzi does what I think he'll do (get 4 and 5 star recruits in here much more than his predecessors, build a winning culture)then within 2 more years we will be 11-1 or 10-2 and going to a top bowl.

We've suffered for the most part as fans for 30+ years, another couple of crap bowls won't kill us.

Those are about the records it would take to go to a good bowl. Zero difference between 8-4 and 9-3.

 

[PittPoker]

Those are about the records it would take to go to a good bowl. Zero difference between 8-4 and 9-3.

Exactly, that's why I chose them. 9-3 and we are still most likely looking at a tier 1 bowl that does nothing for most people. Get those double digit wins however and good things start happening.

I do think though that in this rare case 9-3 would have eliminated us from possibly playing in Detroit.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Exactly, that's why I chose them. 9-3 and we are still most likely looking at a tier 1 bowl that does nothing for most people. Get those double digit wins however and good things start happening.

I do think though that in this rare case 9-3 would have eliminated us from possibly playing in Detroit.

I don't see how it would have. I do think Pitt can demand to go tier 1 now, but Barnes would rather go to Annapolis than El Paso. I strongly disagree.

 

[PittPoker]

I don't see how it would have. I do think Pitt can demand to go tier 1 now, but Barnes would rather go to Annapolis than El Paso. I strongly disagree.

I think being 9-3 and ranked (which we would have if we had beaten Miami),there could be no justification at that point for throwing us in some crap tier 2 bowl. Not for a ranked team with 9 wins, no way.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Exactly, that's why I chose them. 9-3 and we are still most likely looking at a tier 1 bowl that does nothing for most people. Get those double digit wins however and good things start happening.

I do think though that in this rare case 9-3 would have eliminated us from possibly playing in Detroit.

You're wrong .
Winning the conference is the only way for Pitt not to get stuck .
We suck as a fanbase so top bowls don't want us if they have a choice.

 

[Piranha]

Navy-Pitt would be interesting. Detroit Bowl against a crap team is not.

 

[bobfree]

It's almost like our lack of fan Support is a detriment or something!

Ya because Duke and Miami travel better than us.

 

[PittPoker]

You're wrong .
Winning the conference is the only way for Pitt not to get stuck .
We suck as a fanbase so top bowls don't want us if they have a choice.

So in your humble opinion if Pitt was 10-2 this year where would they be playing? Or to ask a different way, if Pitt was 10-2 and lost to Clemson in the ACC title game where would they most likely be playing?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Pitt cant fall to Tier 2 with a 6-6 VT team in Tier 1.

 

[JoeScaz]

It's almost like our lack of fan Support is a detriment or something!

And still better than Duke.

 

[Delpanther]

D

I'm not sure how much I agree with that. Didn't the ACC just go like 4-1 vs the SEC in rivalry week. We will have playoff teams two years in a row.

Do you really think the citrus bowl is going to be like, wow, we love how the Sec and a Big 10 team bring like 30k fans each, but screw that, Pitt and Cuse are winning Out of conference games, let's sign the ACC to s long term deal.

Really?

Do you think public perception that inFB the ACC is a group of weak sisters is going to change by virtue of one year's head to head competition and beating weak sisters from power 5 conferences will change the perception?

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Pitt cant fall to Tier 2 with a 6-6 VT team in Tier 1.

This is my thinking. Guess we'll find out!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

So in your humble opinion if Pitt was 10-2 this year where would they be playing? Or to ask a different way, if Pitt was 10-2 and lost to Clemson in the ACC title game where would they most likely be playing?

Not in a top acc bowl.
We'd be behind fsu, Clemson, Unc, nc state , and Virginia tech as to being attractive .

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

And still better than Duke.

Not really.
We're on about the same playing ground in perception of support
If we played in the Isley's Chipped Ham Bowl in monroeville, I doubt 20k shows up.

 

[PittPoker]

Not in a top acc bowl.
We'd be behind fsu, Clemson, Unc, nc state , and Virginia tech as to being attractive .

Oh c'mon, now you are being ridiculous.

10-2 and we'd be behind all those other teams. No way. Heck if that's the case we better hope Narduzzi is the next Knute Rockne because it's obvious Pitt has to go undefeated to play in a major bowl.

 

[H2Pmcippel]

Not really.
We're on about the same playing ground in perception of support
If we played in the Isley's Chipped Ham Bowl in monroeville, I doubt 20k shows up.

Monroeville has a venue for 20k ?

 

[Saboteur]

Not really.
We're on about the same playing ground in perception of support
If we played in the Isley's Chipped Ham Bowl in monroeville, I doubt 20k shows up.

The whining in this thread has reached an all time low.

 

[JoeScaz]

Not really.
We're on about the same playing ground in perception of support
If we played in the Isley's Chipped Ham Bowl in monroeville, I doubt 20k shows up.

You are incorrect.

 

[UPitt '89]

It's almost like our lack of fan Support is a detriment or something!

We have more fan support than Duke or Miami. That's a fact.

No way Duke should get any bowl ahead of Pitt, especially when Pitt has a better record and beat Duke head to head.

 

[buckage]

Well...I will go to any but Detroit.

 

[UPitt '89]

Not really.
We're on about the same playing ground in perception of support
If we played in the Isley's Chipped Ham Bowl in monroeville, I doubt 20k shows up.

Duke doesn't sell out their 30,000 seat home stadium for games.

There's no universe where Duke's football fan support is better than Pitt's. Yes, our fan support is lacking, but it is much better than Duke's.

 

[UPitt '89]

Pitt cant fall to Tier 2 with a 6-6 VT team in Tier 1.

We can if Barnes agrees to it. Which, according to the Trib article this morning, it sounds like he just might do.

Barnes apparently believes "driveability" trumps every other consideration..... and that's a serious miscalculation on his part, if it is true.

It would be the first smiley-like move of his tenure.... and I hope he is at least consulting with Narduzzi first.