Was just going to bring this up, Orndoff is massively underutilized. Off play action, we should be using the middle of the field much more often.
Fire Canada and bench Peterman
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Was just going to bring this up, Orndoff is massively underutilized. Off play action, we should be using the middle of the field much more often.
Honestly, I think Canada is average at best and extremely predictable, but Peterman is most definitely our best option right now. Neither has even 1 average experienced WR to work with. Matthews isn't getting an opportunity, so he must not be close to ready, considering the folks we are trotting out right now.
The people (steel_curtain) who acted like Canada was a savior are ridiculous. He was fired for a reason, but he can be solid here, if they bring in the talent. We can still win with him and the power run, but we are very, very limited. The worry is there are no big time QBs or WRs signing up. That is scary and suggests the talent level at those spots is going to be very shaky and thin for awhile, unless we have killed everyone in scouting and/or get lucky.
Anyone with a brain knows this. In modern football QB is the difference between 10-2 and 6-6. The Steelers will probably go 11-5 or 12-4 this year, If Ben Gets injured make it 6-10 or 5-11. When Ben retires, they better do something drastic or out of character to GAMBLE on a high pick to try to get another franchise QB somehow, or they're looking at years of crap. And by gamble, I mean maybe trade multiple picks or players for the right to take a massive risk that might fail... that's how important QB is above all else.
But, interestingly, some of them know the difference between "involuntary" and "involuntarily".
Sorry, not defending the guy you're responding to, but when you're going to throw around a word like "retarded", you'd better string together a halfway coherent sentence while doing so.
Came in for a play in PSU game, wasn't involved in the play though. But with Ford being out I think they need to start getting Mathews in there.
Or what happened to Zach Challingsworth? I thought he looked pretty solid last year. This year I've only seen him in in some goal line situations.
Schneider would likely be starting this year if he was eligible. What makes you say he's a "worse thrower" than Peterman? Did you watch them both practice or something?
Other than that, you're about right.
I still am having trouble understanding why Peterman is the "best" choice. The guy can't throw an accurate pass on 3rd and 4, heck Canada won't even let him throw half the time on 3rd down because he's been terrible. Anyone can hand the ball off 90% of the time. If he has another stinker this weekend against UNC then bring in 1 of the backups. I don't care which one.
-Well Poker he has improved in that regard so far. Peterman has only fumbled once this year and has 1 int. Last year he fumbled 8 times with 8 ints. So at least he hands it off correctly now. I've been on the Tmac wagon because of the speed. If he has a leg injury like someone else mentioned I have not heard about it. Not getting our future starting qb next year any reps this year can be very dangerous. But that's the problem with this years schedule. Its not murders row, but we don't have total cupcakes either. There should be at least 2 cupcakes a year to get the backups experience. Most sec teams play 3 per year. Miami and Baylor play 3 high school teams per year.
They aren't going to burn the RS to get him a couple reps in the second half of a blowout.
OSU's punter actually punted the ball more times, seven, than either Villanova or Penn State's punters did, six and five respectively.
I believe Canada will get it done. Because I believe it the Duzz!
If your O puts up 30 a game you should win 8 plus games a year.
This is a process to crack the top 25 and build on for the next couple years. We need stability in the program.
All coaches in football are fired many times before finding the right spot. They will get a QB soon as well as some athletes that will line up at WR.
Peterman is the man for now so cheer for him good and bad. Confidence goes a long way.
H2P
If your O puts up 30 a game you should win 8 plus games a year.
This is a process to crack the top 25 and build on for the next couple years. We need stability in the program.
All coaches in football are fired many times before finding the right spot. They will get a QB soon as well as some athletes that will line up at WR.
Peterman is the man for now so cheer for him good and bad. Confidence goes a long way.
H2P
If we only out up 30+ a game we are 1-2 right now.
College football is not the NFL .
This thread's a little goofy. Better to examine this mid-season. I mean, come on. The sample size is nonsense. Pitt didn't even play their offense v. Nova. In the games they executed what they'll be running this season, the output's been favorable. Not to mention, many of teams with a higher average have already played their two softest opponents in their first three games.
Much more curious to see where Pitt's numbers stack up after Carolina, Marshall and Georgia Tech.
Much more curious to see where Pitt's numbers stack up after Carolina, Marshall and Georgia Tech.
Really? "The least talented" you've seen since the 90's. Really?.
Possibly at WR but not QB. Peterman is certainly not looking like Dan Marino, but he's also not playing as poorly as a few QBs since that time. He does many things better than a few players at that position... and I know people here (including you) know who I'm talking about. And I have a feeling MacVittie will prove to be one heck of QB on game day, when his number gets called.
Let's keep this in perspective. It's only the third game of the season. Notre Dame, who gets more top tier recruits, has one more loss than Pitt. Let's see how this team and coaches respond in the NC game.
I think fans will find out soon that MacVittie is very capable. He may not be quite comfortable with the playbook yet. But he has the tools to be very special.
You are correct though that stopping teams from making so many deep throws down field is the biggest issue that needs to be addressed. The Penn State game would never have been close and Pitt would have won at OSU had Pitt done even a little bit better with it.
What am I missing that would make him the likely starter over Peterman if he were eligible.
No question the kid has impressive stats from high school. His stats during his one year at UCF on the other hand were abysmal.
Bo Schneider AT UCF (2015):
Played in eight games, starting three contests as a true freshman...completed 54-of-105 passes (51.4%) for 534 yards and two touchdowns with seven interceptions.
Sorry Hugh, usually agree with you but can't on this one. Peterman has been terrible and there is no sugarcoating it. And he was very bad the 2nd half of last year as well, and that was with Tyler Boyd. He has no touch on his passes, he can't accurately throw 5-10 yards down the field and Canada doesn't even want him to try. He'd rather run Connor up the middle on 3rd and short
I'm sorry but Peterman has stunk and right now we have no semblance of a passing game. With the way the defense has looked, there is no way to expect 8 or 9 wins running jet sweeps and up the middle most of the game.
To be fair, Peterman threw a nice pass to Weah for a TD and he had some other nice passes in the game, as well.
Let's remember who Peterman's WR are versus say the WRs Voytik, Bostick and Sunseri had. I mean let's be honest, Tino got most of his yards and his high completion % from a career filled with dink and dunk passes... and he never came close to having a comeback during his three years as a starter. Was Tino a better passer than Peterman? Please.
I do agree with you that we definitely need to see a lot more out of the passing game, but then I can't honestly put all of blame squarely on Peterman. Peterman did throws some bad passes, but then WRs also need to run crisp routes, get separation and catch balls that are catchable.
As for the Conner up the middle comment:
On third and short (as in less than two yards), a run play with Conner makes sense. But if were referring to that that 3rd and 4 sweep play using Conner at the end of the game, then yeah, that was a head scratcher. You'd think they'd do the sweep with a speedier Henderson or just pass it.
in response to your Jet sweep comment:
Personally, I think if Pitt did run more Jet sweeps (with Henderson) at the end of the OSU game, Pitt would have won. Period. If they continued to run it at the end of PSU game, the game would not have even been that close . While the Pitt's Jet sweep (with Henderson) may not always be solution to the struggling passing game, it's certainly something you want to keep doing until someone can prove they can stop it.
Experience. The guy started as a true freshman at UCF.
You're not really comparing T-Mac's HS numbers to those of a guy who started at a D1 school as a freshman, are you?
The poster I responded to said MacVittie is a "better thrower" than Schneider. And that;s based on what? Certainly not HS stats--that's laughable. Does he have a stronger, more accurate arm? Does he make throws that Schneider can't? Does he handle defensive pressure better? Does he make his pre-snap reads more consistently? Does he run the a better huddle? Does he move the offense down the field better than Schneider when he's in? Can anyone on this board honestly say one way or the other?
No they can't.
By the way, since you brought up HS stats, here are Schneider's numbers from his HS in Dallas:
Threw for nearly 7,000 yards over his final two seasons at Jesuit College Prep...as a senior, threw for 3,492 yards with 45 touchdowns and just eight interceptions...his junior year, threw for 3,185 yards with 31 TDs and nine INTs..
I think you misread my post– I was talking about Schneider's HS stats in my last post, not MacVittie's.
I said, "No question the kid has impressive stats from high school. His stats during his one year at UCF on the other hand were abysmal."
Listen, I agree that no one on this board can say with certainty that MacVittie will be better than Schneider, just as NO ONE ON THIS BOARD CAN SAY SCHNEIDER WILL BE BETTER THAN MACVITTIE. We just don't know at this point, which leads me back to the question I posted for you:
"What am I missing that would make him (Schneider) the likely starter over Peterman if he were eligible."
it was in response to your comment:
"Schneider would likely be starting this year if he was eligible."
Schneider is a transfer from a non Power Five school where he threw only 2 touchdowns and yet had 7 INTs. Peterman has already played a season as Pitt's starting QB with far better stats (albeit not stellar ones).
As for the "who throws better" argument, I agree that we just can't say at this point.
Silly OP thread.
Anyone criticizing an OC who can produce 80 points combined against Penn State and Oklahoma State is lost.
Maybe, the OP meant to discuss the D.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Anyone criticizing an OC who can produce 80 points combined against Penn State and Oklahoma State is lost.
Maybe, the OP meant to discuss the D.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
This is a remarkably stupid thread, even for the free boards.
The suggestions so far are:
Fire an OC putting up 500 yards a game despite having no WRs
Bench a QB despite not having any reasonable to replace him
Give up the season three games into it, despite being 2-1, in order to "make sure [the next QB] is ready"
Yinzers gonna yinz yinz yinz yinz.
The suggestions so far are:
Fire an OC putting up 500 yards a game despite having no WRs
Bench a QB despite not having any reasonable to replace him
Give up the season three games into it, despite being 2-1, in order to "make sure [the next QB] is ready"
Yinzers gonna yinz yinz yinz yinz.
Agreed - remarkably dumb thread. Takaught Bradshaw and put in Hanratty.
