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For Pitt to adequately fill out it's roster

And history would indicate that finding enough adequate players will be a challenge - to say the least.

Encouraging kids to go is relatively easy. However getting better players hasn’t been quite as easy. He’s landed some decent transfers but they need so much it feels near grim.
 
And history would indicate that finding enough adequate players will be a challenge - to say the least.

Encouraging kids to go is relatively easy. However getting better players hasn’t been quite as easy. He’s landed some decent transfers but they need so much it feels near grim.
At worst, it creates spots for younger players to move up and play.
 
At worst, it creates spots for younger players to move up and play.
If they’re good enough they should be doing that regardless. I know everyone’s all twisted up because of the QB situation the other day. No coach can be 100% but I do believe the coaches play who they feel is best.
 
If they’re good enough they should be doing that regardless. I know everyone’s all twisted up because of the QB situation the other day. No coach can be 100% but I do believe the coaches play who they feel is best.
Seniority is in play at every college.

When the Head Coach is conservative by nature, it is a bigger determinant.
 
Seniority is in play at every college.

When the Head Coach is conservative by nature, it is a bigger determinant.
100 percent agree. It takes a lot to force his hand on a younger player. It is why I was so shocked when he announced Eli as the starter at the beginning of the season.

Based on what we saw on Thursday though, Eli had to be the second coming. So far beyond Yarnell at that point that he couldn’t justify not playing him.

Why do I say that? Narduzzi (and maybe Bell) played a walk on statue behind an O-line that they knew was sub-par and was going to need a QB that could move. They left the mobile guy that was clearly the better athlete on the sideline because….?

Yeah, Dugger was going to a make some mistakes (and he did), but if they looked at Lynch and thought “this gives us the best chance to win”, I don’t know how we can ever trust their judgement moving forward when it comes to evaluating who should be playing. Seniority, experience, skill or otherwise.

H2P
 
100 percent agree. It takes a lot to force his hand on a younger player. It is why I was so shocked when he announced Eli as the starter at the beginning of the season.

Based on what we saw on Thursday though, Eli had to be the second coming. So far beyond Yarnell at that point that he couldn’t justify not playing him.

Why do I say that? Narduzzi (and maybe Bell) played a walk on statue behind an O-line that they knew was sub-par and was going to need a QB that could move. They left the mobile guy that was clearly the better athlete on the sideline because….?

Yeah, Dugger was going to a make some mistakes (and he did), but if they looked at Lynch and thought “this gives us the best chance to win”, I don’t know how we can ever trust their judgement moving forward when it comes to evaluating who should be playing. Seniority, experience, skill or otherwise.

H2P
You could see Lynch might be accurate, but his throws were both late and lacked zip.

Interceptions were inevitable.
 
I suspect that Lynch was the starter because he showed a better ability to make the “reads” that Coach Bell wanted. The did put Dugger in down by the goal line earlier in the game - so they did have confidence in him, but I’m guessing Coach Bell was only comfortable with true-freshman Dugger on a smaller portion of the playbook…

Go Pitt.
 
We have 105 ‘ships next year. We need more quality players, but we don’t need to get rid of anyone based on numbers.
 
We have 105 ‘ships next year. We need more quality players, but we don’t need to get rid of anyone based on numbers.
You don't keep Renda if you are bringing in a TE. Same with Davis at RB. Brown at OT. Fowler at WR.

Borders at DE. Yuhas will never play at Pitt. Nwabuko will never play real time at Pitt.

Maybe it is time Enos moves on.
 
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You don't keep Renda if you are bringing in a TE. Same with Davis at RB. Brown at OT. Fowler at WR.

Borders at DE. Yuhas will never play at Pitt.

They won't have enough quality replacements. You need depth. If a kid is providing that is a good kid and does well in school you keep him.
 
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We have 105 ‘ships next year. We need more quality players, but we don’t need to get rid of anyone based on numbers.
False. There's going to be no scholarship limit next year, but a 105 roster limit. That number includes all players, scholarship or not. So while you can have 105 scholarships, it doesn't mean schools (including Pitt) can add a bunch of new players without clearing space as most if not all schools are currently well over the 105 number.
 
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100 percent agree. It takes a lot to force his hand on a younger player. It is why I was so shocked when he announced Eli as the starter at the beginning of the season.

Based on what we saw on Thursday though, Eli had to be the second coming. So far beyond Yarnell at that point that he couldn’t justify not playing him.

Why do I say that? Narduzzi (and maybe Bell) played a walk on statue behind an O-line that they knew was sub-par and was going to need a QB that could move. They left the mobile guy that was clearly the better athlete on the sideline because….?

Yeah, Dugger was going to a make some mistakes (and he did), but if they looked at Lynch and thought “this gives us the best chance to win”, I don’t know how we can ever trust their judgement moving forward when it comes to evaluating who should be playing. Seniority, experience, skill or otherwise.

H2P
You should’ve known this last year when Yarnell was the better Qb but he kept running Jurkovic out there and then the other kid Villeux who couldn’t read the field.
 
You should’ve known this last year when Yarnell was the better Qb but he kept running Jurkovic out there and then the other kid Villeux who couldn’t read the field.

Yarnell still can't read a defense.

Veilleux probably played over Yarnell because he throws a better deep ball, and Cigs likes to do that a lot of play action.

It's neither here nor there, but you can't win with either of those guys at QB at this level.
 
100 percent agree. It takes a lot to force his hand on a younger player. It is why I was so shocked when he announced Eli as the starter at the beginning of the season.

Based on what we saw on Thursday though, Eli had to be the second coming. So far beyond Yarnell at that point that he couldn’t justify not playing him.

Why do I say that? Narduzzi (and maybe Bell) played a walk on statue behind an O-line that they knew was sub-par and was going to need a QB that could move. They left the mobile guy that was clearly the better athlete on the sideline because….?

Yeah, Dugger was going to a make some mistakes (and he did), but if they looked at Lynch and thought “this gives us the best chance to win”, I don’t know how we can ever trust their judgement moving forward when it comes to evaluating who should be playing. Seniority, experience, skill or otherwise.

H2P

Or maybe they looked at it as "this is a freaking meaningless bowl game, let each guy play a half."
 
Or maybe they looked at it as "this is a freaking meaningless bowl game, let each guy play a half."
Do you really think that was the coaches mindset? If it is meaningless and that was their plan to play each player one half, then say that leading up to the game. Why the gamesmanship if it is meaningless?

Also, if what you are saying was the case, why did Lynch start the second half?

Again, I am not saying Dugger is some kind of savior (he made mistakes) but he was given a scholarship for a reason. We could all see he is clearly the better athlete of the two options we had.

In a meaningless game, Narduzzi lived in his fears for an entire half.

H2P
 
100 percent agree. It takes a lot to force his hand on a younger player. It is why I was so shocked when he announced Eli as the starter at the beginning of the season.

Based on what we saw on Thursday though, Eli had to be the second coming. So far beyond Yarnell at that point that he couldn’t justify not playing him.

Why do I say that? Narduzzi (and maybe Bell) played a walk on statue behind an O-line that they knew was sub-par and was going to need a QB that could move. They left the mobile guy that was clearly the better athlete on the sideline because….?

Yeah, Dugger was going to a make some mistakes (and he did), but if they looked at Lynch and thought “this gives us the best chance to win”, I don’t know how we can ever trust their judgement moving forward when it comes to evaluating who should be playing. Seniority, experience, skill or otherwise.

H2P
Isn't the walk on also a FR?
 
Isn't the walk on also a FR?
Yep, a freshman walk on who got a few drives against Louisville. That appeared to be his qualifications to start the bowl game because it sure wasn’t his running ability or arm.

This game is in the past and hind sight is 20/20. I am just trying to understand the decision making process from this staff.

1. You were at your most successful this year with Eli running when WRs weren’t open or the o-line protection broke down. You chose to play a guy who couldn’t run.

2. Similar to number 1, you knew your o-line is pretty bad at blocking in the passing game but you decide to play a guy that isn’t athletic enough to get out of the pocket.

3. You recruited Dugger and gave him a scholarship for a reason. If the game is truly meaningless, who cares how much of the playbook he has down? Let him run what he knows and get some game speed experience. They did it in the second half, but it seemed to only be because Lynch threw a second INT and forced their hand. It didn’t seem like it was planned.

It is what it is. In the end, planned or not, Dugger did get in for an extended time and got some live game experience. Hopefully it builds his personal confidence and the confidence of the coaches that he can be a decent back up heading in to next year.

H2P
 
Do you really think that was the coaches mindset? If it is meaningless and that was their plan to play each player one half, then say that leading up to the game. Why the gamesmanship if it is meaningless?

Also, if what you are saying was the case, why did Lynch start the second half?

Maybe. We just saw Miami do that. They could have put 70 to 80 on Iowa State.

But the bowl game was meaningless. So they pulled Ward and played the backup the second half just to see what he could do.
 
Pay the buyout and get rid of this mediocre coaching staff, hire an really good proven HC, I’ve been watching this same old crap for the last 45 years, I was 24 in 1976, and needles to say I’m much older now, and this year after year 6-6, 7-6, 8-5 program is getting harder and harder to follow, maybe the 412 alliance should collect money to pay Narduzzi to leave
 
Do you really think that was the coaches mindset? If it is meaningless and that was their plan to play each player one half, then say that leading up to the game. Why the gamesmanship if it is meaningless?

Also, if what you are saying was the case, why did Lynch start the second half?

Again, I am not saying Dugger is some kind of savior (he made mistakes) but he was given a scholarship for a reason. We could all see he is clearly the better athlete of the two options we had.

In a meaningless game, Narduzzi lived in his fears for an entire half.

H2P

Idk. If his fears was that his QB play was going to be bad and cost them 2 TDs and struggle to sustain drives, then his fears came true.
 
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