Glad to hear that he got most of his coaching staff to bail out just to stir us up. Their replacements were certainly major upgrades. Happy that he takes time to read these forums and chuckle while his recruits fall away like October leaves.
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Captain Sidney Reilly was a Captain in The Royal Canadian Air Corp as a Roof, not the Navy! I have a number of post on the record that Jimmy Franklin has a very good class coming to PSU again!
I defer to my fellow Posters to correct your error on Franklin's at Vanderbilt and that with the 3 Coaches no longer with Franklin???
It is up to Penn State to give Franklin and Extension and you need to write to them to ask why it has been withheld?
I have no problem with any of you're posts, content can be verified, agreed to, corrected, or agreed to disagree, and have a great time in Florida!
Franklin's challenge is still tough going against Temple, Pitt, Iowa, OSU, Michigan and MSU?
Narduzzi challenge is the same going against Marshall, Penn State, OKSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, VT, GT, Duke, Cuse, and UVA?
Gone With The 2016 Wins Will Lose Scholarships in 2017, for both Coaches, Teams, and Programs?
Pitt and PSU have done well as far as I am concern, now the Coaches will have to do better to win more games.
We shall see!
A. Michigan was 5-0 and ranked 18th in 2013 when BOB beat them. Oops!
B. Narduzzi beat Louisville (8-5), Virginia Tech (7-6), and Duke (8-5). All bowl teams who won their bowl. Not world-beaters, but definitely good P5 teams.
Are you crazy? Forget football and recruiting rankings, he covered up rape and used girls to lure recruits at Vanderbilt, I know you also think he is a man of character and trustworthy, he is neither, he would sell his kids for a recruit, and he is a bad coach, and the Pennsylvania recruits are beginning to learn about him. Well since Sandusky, Franklin and the new chancellor from Fla St who was involved in the Winston sexual abuse cover up case, what has penn state become? Why do these types congregate in crappy valley and the school welcomes them with open arms. The school is an embarrassment to the state of Pa.
Franklin will be given at least 4 years to coach. I suspect with the schedule being far more difficult in 2017, that will be his last season. The new staff is simply a drop off and expect more coaches to head out. No quality coach is going to PSU with Franklin on shaky ground after this year.
Slick Jimmy wouldn't know "character" if "character" walked up to him and introduced itself.
This is the same guy who - after being paid quite well by Vandy to build relationships to recruit players to Vandy, then turned around and immediately "flipped" those same recruits to his new team, UPS. I'll bet that the good people at Vandy had no idea that they were paying the guy to recruit players for UPS, did they? It's pretty bad when even Bob Smizik chimed-in on this matter:
"The seamy side of college athletics has been exposed in recent days and I’m not talking about Bill O’Brien walking out on Penn State for the NFL or about James Franklin walking out on Vanderbilt for Penn State. Both men probably broke promises, either implied or explicit, but in the seamy world of college athletics promises as well as contracts are made to be broken.
Nor was there anything illegal about Franklin stealing -- which is a far more appropriate word for the practice than the commonly used "flipping" -- recruits from Vanderbilt. He hadn’t been on the job 24 hours when it was reported two of Vanderbilt’s prized recruits would be renouncing their verbal commitments and following him to Penn State.
Bad enough Franklin walked out on Vanderbilt after three seasons on the job when he earlier had suggested he was intent on ''sinking roots deep" into the Nashville community and that Vanderbilt was ''not a stepping stone," but ''a destination." That’s a common cheap trick in the bag full of cheap tricks college coaches employ.
But after stepping on the neck of the Vandy football program with his departure, his parting shot was a kick in the teeth. Is there no decency whatsoever in the coaching profession?
I fully understand the young men in question -- offensive tackle Chance Sorrell from Ohio and defensive end/linebacker Lloyd Tubman from Kentucky -- were not officially bound to Vanderbilt. But just once couldn’t there be honor among coaches? Franklin should be ashamed. He had to know he was hurting Vanderbilt, the school that gave him his first head coaching job, more than he was helping Penn State." -- Bob Smizik, January 13, 2014, postgazette.com
Quick comment, yes, he has had a losing season. So you are wrong.
A few questions...would you be happy with 7 and 8 win seasons, if that is all he is able to provide, and considering he has made comments that their out-of-conference schedule will be scaled back (I didn't even think that was possible)? Would you be happy with 9 win seasons? The schedule they have makes it almost impossible to have a losing record. What is the minimum you are willing to accept?
Many can't stand Franklin because he has made promises and talked smack when he has NO track record of doing those things; that's why I asked what the minimum is you are willing to accept. He has stated he will do much better than 8 or 9 wins. I see no way he can beat OSU or Michigan consistently. If fact, I can't see how he will be able to beat them. They both recruit much better and there is no comparison regarding coaching; he's not in the same league, and history has proven that.
He has also proven to not be a good game day coach with his lack of adjustments and clock management. I find it funny how he had basically gone into hiding after the bowl game. The loudmouth has been much more quiet this off season.
He's apparently been too busy trying to hoodwink/flip young, naive high school kids. He's not as successful hoodwinking adults anymore - at least none who aren't named Sanders.
This Boobtown Bart is a piece of work........a shining example of what a UPS education does for you........reminds me of the commercials that talk about your brain on drugs.........this is your brain after obtaining a UPS degree...................Love when these clowns come here to defend the Carnival Barker..............
I do hope the powers that be at UPS fall for his used car sales approach for a few more years so that Rhule (a legit coach) gets a job at a big time P5 program and is not available.
I do hope the powers that be at UPS fall for his used car sales approach for a few more years so that Rhule (a legit coach) gets a job at a big time P5 program and is not available.
If Franklin is this bad I would think you would celebrate him still being at PSU instead of trying to usher him out the door and find a suitable replacement? Am I missing something?
Most of us want him damaged, but NOT fired.
Several of us have openly talked about "Save James Franklin!" many times on this board.
We don't want him fired. I want him to remain mediocre, but just good enough to not be fired.
And so far... he's been exactly that.
If PSU ever fires him, they might get lucky and replace him with a good coach. We at Pitt don't want that. BOB was a good coach, and we're glad he's gone before he could get really rolling.
"pittzap, post: 854033, member: 194"]Quick comment, yes, he has had a losing season. So you are wrong.
A few questions...would you be happy with 7 and 8 win seasons, if that is all he is able to provide, and considering he has made comments that their out-of-conference schedule will be scaled back (I didn't even think that was possible)? Would you be happy with 9 win seasons? The schedule they have makes it almost impossible to have a losing record. What is the minimum you are willing to accept?
Many can't stand Franklin because he has made promises and talked smack when he has NO track record of doing those things; that's why I asked what the minimum is you are willing to accept. He has stated he will do much better than 8 or 9 wins. I see no way he can beat OSU or Michigan consistently. If fact, I can't see how he will be able to beat them. They both recruit much better and there is no comparison regarding coaching; he's not in the same league, and history has proven that.
He has also proven to not be a good game day coach with his lack of adjustments and clock management. I find it funny how he had basically gone into hiding after the bowl game. The loudmouth has been much more quiet this off season.
Wow, what a great analysis and response, joy to read it! Thanks!
A few questions...would you be happy with 7 and 8 win seasons, if that is all he is able to provide, and considering he has made comments that their out-of-conference schedule will be scaled back (I didn't even think that was possible)? Would you be happy with 9 win seasons? The schedule they have makes it almost impossible to have a losing record. What is the minimum you are willing to accept?
Many can't stand Franklin because he has made promises and talked smack when he has NO track record of doing those things; that's why I asked what the minimum is you are willing to accept. He has stated he will do much better than 8 or 9 wins. I see no way he can beat OSU or Michigan consistently. If fact, I can't see how he will be able to beat them. They both recruit much better and there is no comparison regarding coaching; he's not in the same league, and history has proven that.
He has also proven to not be a good game day coach with his lack of adjustments and clock management. I find it funny how he had basically gone into hiding after the bowl game. The loudmouth has been much more quiet this off season.
Wow, what a great analysis and response, joy to read it! Thanks!
"Johan Mesofits, post: 854268, member: 23954"]If Franklin is this bad I would think you would celebrate him still being at PSU instead of trying to usher him out the door and find a suitable replacement? Am I missing something?
No one at PITT has the Power to usher anyone out the door at Penn State, Pnnyliar!
Clearly, the Former Players of Penn State as well as the Divided Power Base of Trustees, Administration, Athletic Department, Boosters, and Fan Base are concern after seeing Penn State Football Teams being blown away right after Half Times and it will be them that will remove him, not one word said on a any Football Board?
If Franklin is doing such a great job he would be given an extension right now? Instead his Long Time Coaches that know and worked with him the most and longest have abandon him and Penn State?
Coach O'Brien did the same, so did Larry Johnson and it goes on like a Dumpster Fire, and losing big to other Coaches and Teams some with less Talent is not acceptably anywhere, not just at Penn State?
Thank you for another 1 Posts of panic as you watch the demise once again of another Head Coach at Penn State, and blame that Great Paterno Legacy you adore, worship, and can't understand the hate he put in you, no one at Pitt did that, that is on you!!!
No one at PITT has the Power to usher anyone out the door at Penn State, Pnnyliar!
Clearly, the Former Players of Penn State as well as the Divided Power Base of Trustees, Administration, Athletic Department, Boosters, and Fan Base are concern after seeing Penn State Football Teams being blown away right after Half Times and it will be them that will remove him, not one word said on a any Football Board?
If Franklin is doing such a great job he would be given an extension right now? Instead his Long Time Coaches that know and worked with him the most and longest have abandon him and Penn State?
Coach O'Brien did the same, so did Larry Johnson and it goes on like a Dumpster Fire, and losing big to other Coaches and Teams some with less Talent is not acceptably anywhere, not just at Penn State?
Thank you for another 1 Posts of panic as you watch the demise once again of another Head Coach at Penn State, and blame that Great Paterno Legacy you adore, worship, and can't understand the hate he put in you, no one at Pitt did that, that is on you!!!
I disagree a tad with deep respect for all you're great post. I want James Franklin to be the Best he can be at Penn State, because Coach Pat Narduzzi at Pitt will prove he can outwork, out-coach, and dominate Franklin on Game Day!
Pitt will become a Top 25 Winning Team and Program
because Pitt has a Head Coach that loves being Pitt's Head Coach! Just like Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, and Northwestern has right now. Playing and beating such Coaches, Teams and Programs will take a little time, but not as much at Pitt under Coach Pat & Staff.
It is my view, and only my opinion, that Pitt needs no help to win games at Pitt under Coach Pat Narduzzi due to support he with Chancellor Gallagher and A.D. Barnes having the same vision and has found the right people to do it.
Franklin is already damaged at Penn State the day he took the job and boasted beyond what they can support him on because they are divided and Franklin has to overcome and prove he can correct the damage he has brought to Penn State and they to him!
Character Matters In Coaching & Pitt has a Head Coach that loves being a Head Coach at Pitt, and that will damage not just Penn State but anyone playing Pitt under Coach Pat & Staff!
It is just a pure joy to sit back and watch coach Pat on the sidelines, exudes confidence and determination with discipline focus on his players and program, and shows not one worry about his ability to do the job Pitt, by just doing it like he loves it!
Trust me when I say that we are glad that Franklin is still the Nit head coach - just like we were glad that Joepa hung around too long. In his final years, we wished him another 20 years as your head coach.
Joepa's refusal to leave assured us that you were doomed to more years of being irrelevant. And in hindsight, even you gotta admit we were right.
And the Tradition of Irrelevance will surely continue with Slick Jimmy. YOU ARE...IRRELEVANT.
In your conference, who will you regularly beat? Urban? Harbaugh? Dantonio? You'll be like Northwestern - good (with a weak schedule), but never quite good enough. Your 107,000...or is it 90,000?....Or 75,000? will never be happy with that.
Bobtown Bart's posts are a lot better if you read them in a Papi Lebatard voice
O i agree that Joe Pa did hang around to long and yes it did give mediocre results. I guess what you have to come up with is the measuring stick for each school. What is PSU's I'm not sure but obviously I hope its high but in full disclosure nobody is sure where this goes. I would have to say that at this point we are on an upward trajectory and I would say so is Pitt. I am not familiar enough with Pitt to be able to even comment on your measuring stick. Honest question though. Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach at PSU? Same for Pitt? And please do not say both because that would be the obvious choice.
That's a fair question.
My response: Without question, a good coach. Because it's all about winning....a good coach will win, and winning will naturally attract recruits.
Good recruiters who can't coach will get recruits only at the beginning, until their lousy coaching is exposed - as Slick Jimmy is being exposed now. Good recruiters meet their highest level of competency as position coaches and maybe coordinators. When they get promoted to head coaching positions (involving a higher degree of responsibility), that's when they fail. (See: Wannstedt, Dave)
Addendum: given the size of your athletic budget, the Nit yardstick has to be very high. Your fanbase won't stand for mediocrity, even though the recent decisions of your administration have led it there. They should've fired Paterno back when they first wanted to, but the cowards backed away when he refused to leave. No one has the right to determine when they should hang it up - especially when their time is long past and they refuse to recognize it.
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"Johan Mesofits, post: 856653, member: 23954"]O i agree that Joe Pa did hang around to long and yes it did give mediocre results. I guess what you have to come up with is the measuring stick for each school.
Yep, Joe did hang around too long, but Pitt was unable to take full advantage on it too. Harris finally got full 85 Scholarships in 2002, but during Paterno's losing 4 of 5 Seasons, from 2000-2004, could not take advantage of that at all and continued to lose Assistants plus got tired on coaching too. Harris would win one Great game every year he was expected to lose, and then drop 2 Games he should have won. Same with Chryst, even when NCAA Sanctions had Holtz, Johnson and a few others switch to Pitt. Plus, Bobby Engram still got Boyd to come to Pitt! This helped but still Chryst could do no better than 6 or 7 wins?
On measurements, Pitt got that last year playing against Notre Dame, Iowa, UNC, and Miami! Penn State got it playing against UM, OSU, MSU and NW? In 2016, PSU can measure itself against UM, OSU, UM & IOWA and PITT has Clemson, Miami, OKSU, and UNC. Of course will the Best Measurement will be against each other too, the next 4 Years! Either way, we both need to do better!
What is PSU's I'm not sure but obviously I hope its high but in full disclosure nobody is sure where this goes. I would have to say that at this point we are on an upward trajectory and I would say so is Pitt.
If either can beat a Ranked Team that will be a significant step upward, same with WVU too! In the last 5 years, Pitt, Penn State, and West Virginia now in the ACC, Big Ten, and Big-12 have taken a step downward since 1970s, 80s as Independents playing in National Championship Games, and for WVU & PITT in the Big East on wins, and PSU in B10?
Pitt plays OKSU and so does WVU, so that will be a measurement for a comparison. Penn state playing Iowa after Pitt did last year will be less, but still a measurement from year to year progress?
I am not familiar enough with Pitt to be able to even comment on your measuring stick. Honest question though. Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach at PSU? Same for Pitt? And please do not say both because that would be the obvious choice.
Great Coaches win with Players they can teach to execute on Game Day, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Temple, and Navy all prove that almost every year. They all Recruit in 50s or lower almost every year, Yet, their coaches have had multiple 8 to 10 wins seasons in wins. KSU's Snyder seldom recruits in the Top 20 and takes many JUCO but adapts those Players into pretty good Teams within one year with excellent coaching. The same can be said of Patterson at TCU and Cutcliffe at Duke, that will coach and produce a Good Team in most years!
Coaches that have recruited above the Top 40 and still cannot win 10 Games at some Programs, Holgrosen, Harris, Graham and Chryst are examples! Yet, Graham and Chryst did it at ASU & Wisky, but have not been there long and Graham regressed this year to 6 wins.
There are Coaches that have recruited in the Top 20 and Top 10 and just cannot show 10 Wins every year either, like Hoke at Michigan, Brown at UNC & Texas, or Gerry Faust at ND way back when, even after some initial success.
There is an exception where some Programs are just located near many Recruits Homes and Locations like Miami, UCLA, Stanford, Baylor and Texas Tech, but they are dependent on Great Coaching keeping those Players coming to those Schools and up against far bigger Programs near them as competition.
Finally, there are Top Program that simply have such Great Recruiting Resources due to being High Revenue Earners that can afford Bigger Rosters, Recruiting Summer Camp Invitees, High School Coaching Clinics with huge Staffs Supporters such as OSU, UTENN, UM, PSU, ND, BAMA, NU, LSU, USC, Oregon, OU, UT, UF, FSU, & UGA?
No matter whom is the Coach they have great support staffs and assets to help sustain a Top 30 Recruiting Class almost every year! Yet, they have High Demands by their Fans and Universities too to win 10+ games and Championships, and if not they will dump you like what happen to Richt and almost Les Miles last year?
The facts are now, since Coaches are the highest paid Employees at most universities, winning is expected now, and when you can't do it over 4 to 5 years, you are gone. The Bigger Revenue Schools demand that kind of Winning at 10+ games too, and if you don't do it, you will be going or gone sooner too.
I'll take a Great Coach that can teach his Players to Execute on Game Day and they only need 2 to3 Great Players that make 5 to 6 Plays in any game to make a difference between Winning or Losing in most games! They will not win National Titles often, but they will give you 9 to 10+ wins in most years! But that is just me!
Yep, Joe did hang around too long, but Pitt was unable to take full advantage on it too. Harris finally got full 85 Scholarships in 2002, but during Paterno's losing 4 of 5 Seasons, from 2000-2004, could not take advantage of that at all and continued to lose Assistants plus got tired on coaching too. Harris would win one Great game every year he was expected to lose, and then drop 2 Games he should have won. Same with Chryst, even when NCAA Sanctions had Holtz, Johnson and a few others switch to Pitt. Plus, Bobby Engram still got Boyd to come to Pitt! This helped but still Chryst could do no better than 6 or 7 wins?
On measurements, Pitt got that last year playing against Notre Dame, Iowa, UNC, and Miami! Penn State got it playing against UM, OSU, MSU and NW? In 2016, PSU can measure itself against UM, OSU, UM & IOWA and PITT has Clemson, Miami, OKSU, and UNC. Of course will the Best Measurement will be against each other too, the next 4 Years! Either way, we both need to do better!
What is PSU's I'm not sure but obviously I hope its high but in full disclosure nobody is sure where this goes. I would have to say that at this point we are on an upward trajectory and I would say so is Pitt.
If either can beat a Ranked Team that will be a significant step upward, same with WVU too! In the last 5 years, Pitt, Penn State, and West Virginia now in the ACC, Big Ten, and Big-12 have taken a step downward since 1970s, 80s as Independents playing in National Championship Games, and for WVU & PITT in the Big East on wins, and PSU in B10?
Pitt plays OKSU and so does WVU, so that will be a measurement for a comparison. Penn state playing Iowa after Pitt did last year will be less, but still a measurement from year to year progress?
I am not familiar enough with Pitt to be able to even comment on your measuring stick. Honest question though. Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach at PSU? Same for Pitt? And please do not say both because that would be the obvious choice.
Great Coaches win with Players they can teach to execute on Game Day, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Temple, and Navy all prove that almost every year. They all Recruit in 50s or lower almost every year, Yet, their coaches have had multiple 8 to 10 wins seasons in wins. KSU's Snyder seldom recruits in the Top 20 and takes many JUCO but adapts those Players into pretty good Teams within one year with excellent coaching. The same can be said of Patterson at TCU and Cutcliffe at Duke, that will coach and produce a Good Team in most years!
Coaches that have recruited above the Top 40 and still cannot win 10 Games at some Programs, Holgrosen, Harris, Graham and Chryst are examples! Yet, Graham and Chryst did it at ASU & Wisky, but have not been there long and Graham regressed this year to 6 wins.
There are Coaches that have recruited in the Top 20 and Top 10 and just cannot show 10 Wins every year either, like Hoke at Michigan, Brown at UNC & Texas, or Gerry Faust at ND way back when, even after some initial success.
There is an exception where some Programs are just located near many Recruits Homes and Locations like Miami, UCLA, Stanford, Baylor and Texas Tech, but they are dependent on Great Coaching keeping those Players coming to those Schools and up against far bigger Programs near them as competition.
Finally, there are Top Program that simply have such Great Recruiting Resources due to being High Revenue Earners that can afford Bigger Rosters, Recruiting Summer Camp Invitees, High School Coaching Clinics with huge Staffs Supporters such as OSU, UTENN, UM, PSU, ND, BAMA, NU, LSU, USC, Oregon, OU, UT, UF, FSU, & UGA?
No matter whom is the Coach they have great support staffs and assets to help sustain a Top 30 Recruiting Class almost every year! Yet, they have High Demands by their Fans and Universities too to win 10+ games and Championships, and if not they will dump you like what happen to Richt and almost Les Miles last year?
The facts are now, since Coaches are the highest paid Employees at most universities, winning is expected now, and when you can't do it over 4 to 5 years, you are gone. The Bigger Revenue Schools demand that kind of Winning at 10+ games too, and if you don't do it, you will be going or gone sooner too.
I'll take a Great Coach that can teach his Players to Execute on Game Day and they only need 2 to3 Great Players that make 5 to 6 Plays in any game to make a difference between Winning or Losing in most games! They will not win National Titles often, but they will give you 9 to 10+ wins in most years! But that is just me!
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The main reason he is disliked is because he is a douche. He came in very arrogant and full of bravado. To tell you the truth, even though Matt Ruhle would make PSU better, I'd still respect him more than Franklin...He seems like a class guy...
The bravado may have been over the top initially but you haven't heard much besides coach speek since then. Over the last 7 years PSU has lost its swagger and understandably from what happened. He needed to inject something into the program. Granted anyone who was not a PSU fan was going to hate it but that could be said for someone who goes to Temple, Pitt, OSU, Michigan, Rutgers and says the same thing no one is going to like it but the school.
I would not mind the northeast becoming a power again. Granted we have not had a great team to represent the northeast in some time, and OSU does not count.
I would not mind the northeast becoming a power again. Granted we have not had a great team to represent the northeast in some time, and OSU does not count.
Unfortunately for Franklin, I think this is a case of him making a bad first impression on Pitt fans. He arrived telling everyone he was going to dominate the state, and I doubt he directed that to eastern PA. He also made a point to call Pittsburgh stations and tell the people here about it, which I'm sure endeared him to the Pitt faithful.
By no means does he have to approach a long standing rival with the utmost respect, but when Duzz or BOB were hired this bravado wasn't as present or persistent. Of course jabs are always taken, and they probably should be (bc what else would we get to talk about here? Lol), but Pittsburgh is a place where you have to walk it before you talk it. He may have misjudged the task at hand at PSU, but we all have made mistakes somewhere in life; however, the reactions of Pitt fans to his first mishaps before his first major success seem expected.
Something we'll definitely agree upon - I'll drink to the NE becoming a football power again! And also to it not being OSU!
I disagree a tad and agree much more, Franklin is a very good person, father, and can sell his Program, but he has to to show he can back it up with Coaching, and that means attracting and keeping good coaches. He went from a Last Place SEC Program and improved it beyond its own dreams, but Grobe did at Wake Forest, and Cutcliffe has done that at Duke, but Cutcliffe failed at Ole Miss?
Sometimes a step up is a step down, and a step down is exactly right! Franklin can't keep the Coaches that gave him success at Vandy, and he now is on shaky ground dependent on New OC, OL, DB/DC, and LB/DC, and if the fail him, clearly he cannot oversee doing more by beating MSU, UM, OSU and others more, and 7, 8, 9 wins won't cut it at Penn State like it did at Vandy.
Yet, Matt Ruhle has proven he can do more with less talent and is a Penn State Coaching Disciple, and this year we shall see if Franklin's New Staff and 3rd Year, can beat Matt Rhule, not just because he is a more classy guy, but because he is more and better Head Coach? Agree with you but with a slight different analysis not far from you're own.
If I had to choose I would pick Rhule, Munchak, Golden, Engram for Penn State if Franklin wins only 7 or 8 games?
"Johan Mesofits, post: 857688, member: 23954"]The bravado may have been over the top initially but you haven't heard much besides coach speek since then. Over the last 7 years PSU has lost its swagger and understandably from what happened.
I disagree a tad, it was not just the Sanctions and Scandal that cost the lost of Swagger, that started in 1996 when Penn State was fully assimulated into the Big Ten. Joe lost 4 of 5 seasons between 2000-2004, and was breaking some rules playing guys that were suspended got into trouble to try and keep up with winning more in the Big Ten. It really started way back with Enis in 1996.
Additionally, Joe became too powerful as Fundraiser and Worshiped Saint and was not accountable to anyone at Penn State and would not retire? Penn State Trustees were in business with him too? So, that Swagger was lost in 1996 but did not show up until 2000 and never fully recovered since Joe was too old and they were winning games Joe was not even at or in the Press Coaches Box? I agree the Swagger was lost!
He needed to inject something into the program. Granted anyone who was not a PSU fan was going to hate it but that could be said for someone who goes to Temple, Pitt, OSU, Michigan, Rutgers and says the same thing no one is going to like it but the school.
Agree!
I would not mind the northeast becoming a power again.
Amen! I want WVU to win the Big-12 and go 12-0, PSU win the Big Ten and go 13-0, and Pitt win the ACC and go 13-0, and would love to see all meet min the CFB Playoffs? Tough task and maybe wishful thinking, but is is possible, just not probable? In the 1973-1990s, the Independents dominated Top Bowl games and NCS Title Games more than the Conferences. PSU, PITT, ND, WVU, CUSE, BC, MIAMI, and FSU rose as Independents and go look at the Major 4 Bowls and NCS Titles?
Granted we have not had a great team to represent the northeast in some time, and OSU does not count.
Agree! Why SEC led the way to expand to a BCS System after Big Ten took PSU, ACC grabbed FSU, Big East formed added Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Cuse, BC, Miami, VT, and Temple. Big 8 & SWC merged into the Big-12 minus SMU.
I disagree a tad, it was not just the Sanctions and Scandal that cost the lost of Swagger, that started in 1996 when Penn State was fully assimulated into the Big Ten. Joe lost 4 of 5 seasons between 2000-2004, and was breaking some rules playing guys that were suspended got into trouble to try and keep up with winning more in the Big Ten. It really started way back with Enis in 1996.
Additionally, Joe became too powerful as Fundraiser and Worshiped Saint and was not accountable to anyone at Penn State and would not retire? Penn State Trustees were in business with him too? So, that Swagger was lost in 1996 but did not show up until 2000 and never fully recovered since Joe was too old and they were winning games Joe was not even at or in the Press Coaches Box? I agree the Swagger was lost!
He needed to inject something into the program. Granted anyone who was not a PSU fan was going to hate it but that could be said for someone who goes to Temple, Pitt, OSU, Michigan, Rutgers and says the same thing no one is going to like it but the school.
Agree!
I would not mind the northeast becoming a power again.
Amen! I want WVU to win the Big-12 and go 12-0, PSU win the Big Ten and go 13-0, and Pitt win the ACC and go 13-0, and would love to see all meet min the CFB Playoffs? Tough task and maybe wishful thinking, but is is possible, just not probable? In the 1973-1990s, the Independents dominated Top Bowl games and NCS Title Games more than the Conferences. PSU, PITT, ND, WVU, CUSE, BC, MIAMI, and FSU rose as Independents and go look at the Major 4 Bowls and NCS Titles?
Granted we have not had a great team to represent the northeast in some time, and OSU does not count.
Agree! Why SEC led the way to expand to a BCS System after Big Ten took PSU, ACC grabbed FSU, Big East formed added Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Cuse, BC, Miami, VT, and Temple. Big 8 & SWC merged into the Big-12 minus SMU.
"We_All_We_Got, post: 858498, member: 29848"]Unfortunately for Franklin, I think this is a case of him making a bad first impression on Pitt fans.
I disagree a tad, yes he did that, but he caused way too much higher expectations among PSU Fans and did not show it with 14-12 Coaching after 24th and 15th Ranked Recruiting Classes! I think he has made a terrible impression on PSU Fans after getting blown away by MSU, UM an OSU too? Pitt Fans were not going to be impressed with any coach at PSU anyway?
He arrived telling everyone he was going to dominate the state, and I doubt he directed that to eastern PA. He also made a point to call Pittsburgh stations and tell the people here about it, which I'm sure endeared him to the Pitt faithful.
Yep, and when he did Recruit Top Players in PA, NJ, and brought some from Tenn, it just raised PSU fans expectations, until they saw his Sideline coaching inabilities? WVU also took some great Players away from Pitt too!
By no means does he have to approach a long standing rival with the utmost respect, but when Duzz or BOB were hired this bravado wasn't as present or persistent.
SPOT ON, and in fact, O'Brien was hated for suggesting the Rivalry should be a yearly a game, that was saying Saint Joe Paterno was wrong to end it?
Of course jabs are always taken, and they probably should be (bc what else would we get to talk about here? Lol),
Well the website itself is called RIVALS!
but Pittsburgh is a place where you have to walk it before you talk it.
Not sure about that, Pederson talked and talekd it, never found a coach tow alk 10 Wins and when Nordy did, he had to choose between Wannstedt and Pederson and Pederson won out, and Pitt Coaches kept talking and only walking was away like Haywood 14 days at Pitt, Grahams 6-7 less than a year, and Chryst sent here for Head Coach training and left 19-20?
Narduzzi has come in an wanted and waited to be at Pitt and was part of MSU taking on Michigan and had no fear, and did walk his coaching talk and now in recruiting too!
He may have misjudged the task at hand at PSU, but we all have made mistakes somewhere in life; however, the reactions of Pitt fans to his first mishaps before his first major success seem expected.
Again, Franklin's Missteps are not beating Illinois, Maryland in 2014, and Temple, Georgia in 2105, and losing both years to MSU, Michigan OSU, and NW, in my opinion?
Something we'll definitely agree upon - I'll drink to the NE becoming a football power again! And also to it not being OSU!
I can salute that and agree!
I disagree a tad, yes he did that, but he caused way too much higher expectations among PSU Fans and did not show it with 14-12 Coaching after 24th and 15th Ranked Recruiting Classes! I think he has made a terrible impression on PSU Fans after getting blown away by MSU, UM an OSU too? Pitt Fans were not going to be impressed with any coach at PSU anyway?
He arrived telling everyone he was going to dominate the state, and I doubt he directed that to eastern PA. He also made a point to call Pittsburgh stations and tell the people here about it, which I'm sure endeared him to the Pitt faithful.
Yep, and when he did Recruit Top Players in PA, NJ, and brought some from Tenn, it just raised PSU fans expectations, until they saw his Sideline coaching inabilities? WVU also took some great Players away from Pitt too!
By no means does he have to approach a long standing rival with the utmost respect, but when Duzz or BOB were hired this bravado wasn't as present or persistent.
SPOT ON, and in fact, O'Brien was hated for suggesting the Rivalry should be a yearly a game, that was saying Saint Joe Paterno was wrong to end it?
Of course jabs are always taken, and they probably should be (bc what else would we get to talk about here? Lol),
Well the website itself is called RIVALS!
but Pittsburgh is a place where you have to walk it before you talk it.
Not sure about that, Pederson talked and talekd it, never found a coach tow alk 10 Wins and when Nordy did, he had to choose between Wannstedt and Pederson and Pederson won out, and Pitt Coaches kept talking and only walking was away like Haywood 14 days at Pitt, Grahams 6-7 less than a year, and Chryst sent here for Head Coach training and left 19-20?
Narduzzi has come in an wanted and waited to be at Pitt and was part of MSU taking on Michigan and had no fear, and did walk his coaching talk and now in recruiting too!
He may have misjudged the task at hand at PSU, but we all have made mistakes somewhere in life; however, the reactions of Pitt fans to his first mishaps before his first major success seem expected.
Again, Franklin's Missteps are not beating Illinois, Maryland in 2014, and Temple, Georgia in 2105, and losing both years to MSU, Michigan OSU, and NW, in my opinion?
Something we'll definitely agree upon - I'll drink to the NE becoming a football power again! And also to it not being OSU!
I can salute that and agree!
Franklin will not beat Mich,MSU or Ohio this year but will probably go 7-5.This is very realistic season with the talent he has next year.Anyone with any ability of judging DI talent knows this is the record he should have.No James will not be fired next year.The 2017 season will be a 9 win season and then Franklin will get a contract extension. This is when a coach with a 6 year contract should get an extension after he's shown improvement in the teams talent level and season record.This year has been a disaster for him on the field and off.He didn't recruit with the sec mentality and he had to improve his staff if he wanted to compete in the Big.This lead him to having to make tough decisions with his staff and parting ways with friends.In the real world the company comes before friendship.James will be a thorn in Pitts side for years to come on the field and in the recruiting wars.Zap,I said Franklin has never had a losing regular season and im not wrong.89 you do realize that Bobs walkon qb is now a 3 year nfl vet,so I think he had a little talent.Pittball I never went to psu because I didn't have the talent to play for Joe,so I went DII.
Now the important news my senior softball team went 1-1 today in the TOC in Tampa today!!!!!!!!Plus I had a long conversation with Clairton old coach Tom Nola who is playing in the tournament.
Now the important news my senior softball team went 1-1 today in the TOC in Tampa today!!!!!!!!Plus I had a long conversation with Clairton old coach Tom Nola who is playing in the tournament.
"Bobtown Bart, post: 860468, member: 9081"]Franklin will not beat Mich,MSU or Ohio this year but will probably go 7-5.This is very realistic season with the talent he has next year.Anyone with any ability of judging DI talent knows this is the record he should have.
Fair comment, we will review predictions game by game after Spring Breaks for PSU, PITT & WVU. Would appreciate your input then too!
No James will not be fired next year.The 2017 season will be a 9 win season and then Franklin will get a contract extension. This is when a coach with a 6 year contract should get an extension after he's shown improvement in the teams talent level and season record.
Very fair again on comments, I differ on only one thing, Franklin can't have big blow outs and needs to beat a significant Ranked Team, like UM, MSU, Iowa, or OSU. Can't lose to Pitt either. Also, has to recruit great for 2017. Or he won't get an Extension.
This year has been a disaster for him on the field and off.He didn't recruit with the sec mentality and he had to improve his staff if he wanted to compete in the Big.
Very good insights and quite accurate!
This lead him to having to make tough decisions with his staff and parting ways with friends.In the real world the company comes before friendship.
Ditto!
James will be a thorn in Pitts side for years to come on the field and in the recruiting wars.
I think otherwise with no disrespect intended. I think Narduzzi will be a thorn in Franklin side as is Dantonio, Ferentz, Harbaugh and Meyer along with Fitzgerald and Riley when NU and NW are added to 2017 Schedule. In addition, Ash And Durkin may have Rutgers and Maryland playing better by 2017 as well? It will hard to win 9 Games in 2017 is my point. If Franklin comes up short at 7 or 8, he could be gone?
Zap,I said Franklin has never had a losing regular season and im not wrong.89 you do realize that Bobs walkon qb is now a 3 year nfl vet,so I think he had a little talent.Pittball I never went to psu because I didn't have the talent to play for Joe,so I went DII.
So be it! It is not about yesterday, and still about beating MSU, UM, OSU, PITT, TEMPLE, IOWA, in 2016, and added NU & NW minus Iowa in 2017?
Now the important news my senior softball team went 1-1 today in the TOC in Tampa today!!!!!!!!Plus I had a long conversation with Clairton old coach Tom Nola who is playing in the tournament.
Well, do tell what you learned from that conversation and congrats and continued good luck! It is cold up here, no one likes a braggart? Just kidding, have a great time!
Fair comment, we will review predictions game by game after Spring Breaks for PSU, PITT & WVU. Would appreciate your input then too!
No James will not be fired next year.The 2017 season will be a 9 win season and then Franklin will get a contract extension. This is when a coach with a 6 year contract should get an extension after he's shown improvement in the teams talent level and season record.
Very fair again on comments, I differ on only one thing, Franklin can't have big blow outs and needs to beat a significant Ranked Team, like UM, MSU, Iowa, or OSU. Can't lose to Pitt either. Also, has to recruit great for 2017. Or he won't get an Extension.
This year has been a disaster for him on the field and off.He didn't recruit with the sec mentality and he had to improve his staff if he wanted to compete in the Big.
Very good insights and quite accurate!
This lead him to having to make tough decisions with his staff and parting ways with friends.In the real world the company comes before friendship.
Ditto!
James will be a thorn in Pitts side for years to come on the field and in the recruiting wars.
I think otherwise with no disrespect intended. I think Narduzzi will be a thorn in Franklin side as is Dantonio, Ferentz, Harbaugh and Meyer along with Fitzgerald and Riley when NU and NW are added to 2017 Schedule. In addition, Ash And Durkin may have Rutgers and Maryland playing better by 2017 as well? It will hard to win 9 Games in 2017 is my point. If Franklin comes up short at 7 or 8, he could be gone?
Zap,I said Franklin has never had a losing regular season and im not wrong.89 you do realize that Bobs walkon qb is now a 3 year nfl vet,so I think he had a little talent.Pittball I never went to psu because I didn't have the talent to play for Joe,so I went DII.
So be it! It is not about yesterday, and still about beating MSU, UM, OSU, PITT, TEMPLE, IOWA, in 2016, and added NU & NW minus Iowa in 2017?
Now the important news my senior softball team went 1-1 today in the TOC in Tampa today!!!!!!!!Plus I had a long conversation with Clairton old coach Tom Nola who is playing in the tournament.
Well, do tell what you learned from that conversation and congrats and continued good luck! It is cold up here, no one likes a braggart? Just kidding, have a great time!
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